What will be the 'Scott Pilgrim' of 2013?

[Silvermoth]

But, it's being done by Guillermo Del Toro, who's usually known for taking old, well-known cliches and tropes and either turning them on their head or doing something really exciting with them (Hellboy, Pan's Labyrinth, etc.), which is why I'm excited for this. He's like the Geeklord Fanboy of all fanboys.

Seriously, if he wasn't attached to this, it would probably just turn into another generic giant robot film directed by some hack like Jonathan Liebesman or Michael Bay. If that was the case, I probably wouldn't even give this film the time of day or a second thought.

Precisely right

 

[THANOSRULES]

The certain Bomb is GI JOE

This 300 movie may bomb out..loved the original but nah

 

[Piper Maru]

Iron Man 3.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't think people understand what this thread is asking?

 

[bullets]

All of that would be great if we are talking about Japanese audiences instead of American audiences, who have never embraced the genre like you seem to suggest they have. Sure, there's a cult of Godzilla and kaiju fans in the US, but it's not a widespread mainstream fanbase.

And your average non-film **** has no idea who GDT is. Unfortunately for them, perhaps, but he's hardly a household name.

It depends on the marketing. Also I'd say Godzilla is more popular than cult status. It's really suffered because of the 98 film , but the reboot might be a huge deal. I'm curious to see what happens with Pacific Rim.


Also I don't think GI Joe will bomb. It looks like a good action film and more grounded in reality. Not saying it looks totally realistic but these soldiers look more familiar.

 

[Marvin]

Looking at the responses here, I predict Lone Ranger will be the reverse Pilgrim.

Geek culture loving to hate on it, whilst it will more than likely hit home with Americana audiences. Money wise anyways.

This is Gore/Jerry/Depp. I never worked up the nerve to check but I assume their pirate movies made bucket loads of money. The production value is just too sweet for people to ignore, that and the A list vibe this team projects. This isn't John Carter(the epitome of what this thread is asking for), Lone Ranger will be a hit. No matter how badly we want it not to be.
Just compare brand recognition to Carter alone.

Sadly Pacific Rim is the answer here. UNLESS ILM can turn those effects around.
Not easy when the entire plates are digital. I'm expecting Sucker Punch effects at best here.

 

[bullets]

The Lone Ranger may as well be a sequel to Pirates of the Caribbean.

 

[terry78]

Never underestimate the movie going public. It's always unpredictable. I suspect Lone Ranger will do well on name recognition alone.

 

[Fanticon]

Yeah I don't get the Scott Pilgrim bit...misleading thread is misleading.

This year's scott pilgrim would be something like Warm Bodies or John Dies at the End. If you want to call something a bomb...you should have named it "This Year's Battleship."

and I would reply with Pacific Rim.

 

[Baramos]

Actually shouldn't people see Pacific Rim just based on it kinda looking like Transformers which for some reason continue to be successful despite all logic?

 

[Marvin]

Actually shouldn't people see Pacific Rim just based on it kinda looking like Transformers which for some reason continue to be successful despite all logic?

There's plenty of logic behind TF's success.

Take TF 1 and compare it to Battleship. If you can't see a difference than I suppose you never will.

Plenty of films kinda look like TF, but they are all missing that little factor....it's called the spitting in the face of genre fan boys factor.

 

[terry78]

Bay struck gold with Transformers. It had a combination of a raunchy PG-13 comedy with brutal robot battles and kind of a tongue in cheek thing with little easter eggs for Transformers nerds. He knew what he was doing with that first one.

 

[Still Wynning]

Sadly Pacific Rim is the answer here. UNLESS ILM can turn those effects around.
Not easy when the entire plates are digital. I'm expecting Sucker Punch effects at best here.

You're seriously expecting the VFX to already look completely polished at this point and time?

Take the first Transformers film. In the first teaser trailer, there were shots from the film where the CG looked, frankly, kind of shoddy. And, yet, look at the finished film. The film shots looked almost immaculate compared to their teaser shots. Because they were complete.

There's still 7 months of post production work left on Pacific Rim, plenty of time to make the VFX look like they should. As shown from their previous work, ILM, thought no WETA, are no slouches when it comes to doing VFX.

 

[terry78]

Haha, I never thought I'd hear the phrase, "ILM, though they're no WETA."

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I watched Rim's trailer again on the big screen this time and it just looks bad. I'm thinking it's just a bad trailer because besides the awful Hellboy 2 Del Toro seems to have a good track record. Also I think people on here are living in a land of make believe if they think this movie is going to make money just because it has big robots like Transformers. The movie is not based on a popular toy line from the 80's and this trailer is only getting a good reception from nerd websites. Warners better wow with the next trailer or this vapid looking inside geek circles film will be the next Scott Pilgrim. Lucky for them they have plenty of time to turn things around.

 

[Still Wynning]

Haha, I never thought I'd hear the phrase, "ILM, though they're no WETA."

Well, even I'll admit, as excellent as ILM's work has been, they haven't even begun to scratch the surface of WETA has been able achieve in terms VFX, and they've only been in the game for just a little over a decade.

That probably comes down to more of their respective expertise. ILM probably specializes more in creating great machines and mechanics, whereas WETA specializes more in humanoid and creature effects.

 

[craigdbfan]

Haha, I never thought I'd hear the phrase, "ILM, though they're no WETA."

I was thinking the exact same thing when reading that.

 

[flickchick85]

That probably comes down to more of their respective expertise. ILM probably specializes more in creating great machines and mechanics, whereas WETA specializes more in humanoid and creature effects.

Davy Jones says "hi."

WETA may be one of the best in the industry, but ILM is THE best. Yes, WETA has made some groundbreaking technological advancements in the last decade, but ILM has been doing that for decades as well. And their final renderings continue to look superior to WETA's, imo.

 

[Marvin]

You're seriously expecting the VFX to already look completely polished at this point and time?

Take the first Transformers film. In the first teaser trailer, there were shots from the film where the CG looked, frankly, kind of shoddy. And, yet, look at the finished film. The film shots looked almost immaculate compared to their teaser shots. Because they were complete.

There's still 7 months of post production work left on Pacific Rim, plenty of time to make the VFX look like they should. As shown from their previous work, ILM, thought no WETA, are no slouches when it comes to doing VFX.

I'm obviously expecting a turn around, as implied I'm questioning how big it will be. I've commented several times about lighting(day vs night) and the practical aspects(such as shooting on set). TF had a pretty large turn around I must admit but for one, it looked pretty good early in, take for example that star scream sliding trough the city shot. And two that was over half a decade ago(ages in cg terms).
Moreover, Ironman looks to have more polish at this point in time(for many reasons), but that's my point. They need that turn around and they need it for marketing.

I actually think ILM has better composites then Weta. The work in Pirates alone...sheesh.
It oftentimes comes to the working mentality of the directors, Gore/Bay/Cameron/Blomkamp really get it. Jackson used to.

Both companies have their misses.
Star Wars prequels come to mind.

 

[Edguy]

I can tell you that Lone Ranger will flop here over seas. Never heard of the IP before I saw the trailer.. Might do good, if word spreads about it being "PotC in the Wild West" or something, among the kids, but I'd say that's a stretch..

Pacific Rim is hit or miss.. The GA is hungry for Transformers, but still Battleship flopped.. Granted, Battleship was a huge, boring failure of a movie, even by Transformers standards, but still..

Then we have films like Oblivion and After Earth.. They might sell on Smith and Cruise, but they're gonna need some more aggressive advertising to make the GA aware of their existence.

 

[terry78]

I remember those side by side pics of ILM and WETA's Iron Man, and ILM's looked more....worn, is the word, like less shiny or something.

 

[redhawk23]

Scott Pilgrim is actually a pretty decent film though unlike Cowboys and Aliens.

 

[redhawk23]

Davy Jones says "hi."

WETA may be one of the best in the industry, but ILM is THE best. Yes, WETA has made some groundbreaking technological advancements in the last decade, but ILM has been doing that for decades as well. And their final renderings continue to look superior to WETA's, imo.

Not to mention The Hulk in the Avengers. And Rango for that matter.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Yeah ILM is still superior to WETA. I think ILM does a better job at rendering environments, and how CGI reacts to those environments, hence Iron Man looking better than he Weta did Iron Man.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I watched Rim's trailer again on the big screen this time and it just looks bad. I'm thinking it's just a bad trailer because besides the awful Hellboy 2 Del Toro seems to have a good track record. Also I think people on here are living in a land of make believe if they think this movie is going to make money just because it has big robots like Transformers. The movie is not based on a popular toy line from the 80's and this trailer is only getting a good reception from nerd websites. Warners better wow with the next trailer or this vapid looking inside geek circles film will be the next Scott Pilgrim. Lucky for them they have plenty of time to turn things around.

I was slightly disappointed with the trailer too. Maybe it's because I imagined he Robots to be even bigger. The robots were described as "as tall as skyscrapers", though maybe it's because I live next to NYC I thought they would be even bigger.

Also, I hope they have long range weapons too with jaegers.