What would be acceptible for them to change in the Iron man movie?

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  1. Artistsean

    Artistsean Monkey Boy

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    OK, alot of times they change things in super hero movie, not saying Iron man will, but if it dide what would you be OK with them changing for the movie?
    For example Spider-Man had those mechanical web shooters in the comic, and they changed them to organic. They could be small changes like that, or big changes like Iron Man never went overseas and kidnapped and forced to make the armor.

    What sort of changes would be fine by you?
     
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  2. Isildur´s Heir

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    You have one right there that should be made.

    To be kidnapped and forced to make the armor is one of the most outdates origins ever, just behind Reed Richards and family stealing a spaceship.
    One of the few things that they made right in the FF movie (not that the origin is any good, far from it, but they had the balls to change it).
     
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  3. Ironfan72

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    I suspect, from Jon's comments that the origin will remain true to the original story, saying the place will change, either Afghanistan or Iraq instead of Vietnam.
     
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  4. TheVileOne

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    Jon specifically said Afghanistan.

    So the time period of the origin will be shifted and updated to reflect current events and contemporary times.

    For one thing, there won't be any mystical or supernatural villains.

    Iron Man's toughest villains are of a mystical nature. Jon said he is going to focus on technological villains.
     
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    Jon is pretty understanding so there won't be any pointless changes thank God.
     
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  6. Artistsean

    Artistsean Monkey Boy

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    I'm not hoping for any changes, and I don't think there will be any. Jon has alot of love for this project, it sounds, and wont make any changes really. Just wondering however, if there were some small changes, like I said before Spider-Man's web shooters, everyone seemed upset about that at first but now are fine with it. what changes would you be OK with in Iron Man? Just out of curiousity.
     
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    We already know there will be plenty of changes.
     
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    Yeah, I think there will be plenty of minor changes as well, I'm a huge Iron Man fan and I can accept some changes, Like Afghanistan instead of Vietnam, it needs updated for todays audiences, no one will believe he was captured by Viet-Cong now.
    Any thing else, I'll reserve judgement on until I see the story and other elements, but I doubt I'll be very critical of what Jon has in mind.
     
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    What country was he kidnapped by? If he were to be kidnapped he should either be kidnapped by Iran, North Korea, Japan or Russia.
     
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    I think it was Vietnam.
     
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    Yes, it was Vietnam.
     
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    I think they need to make Tony a little more haunted than he is. The man depends on a machine to stay alive. They should dig into that.
     
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    Do we care whether they keep the alcoholism in there?
     
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    Jon has stated that he plans to not have the alcoholism, or hardly any in the film. Maybe just hint at it, because this is the first origin film. He said the first film will focus on him being Iron Man and the effects it has on his company, even though he is secretly Iron Man.
    I think that should be fine, maybe they show he drinks a little more than others and they don't say anything about it. I think before the alcoholism they should get the audiance to know and like Tony Stark and Iron Man.

    For me, I guess I would be fine if they changed the kidnapping thing or the secret identity thing. But I don't read iron man all the time, I like him and know all about him. But I think seeing his origin would be cool too.
     
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  15. Isildur´s Heir

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    Very....
    Alcoholism is a very important issue of Tony Stark, not only makes him 'more human', it´s a huge part of his personality.
    Jon has not revealed much on his vision, but, for the first thing to come out...it really sucks :down :(

    No, it´s not fine.
    To know Tony Stark, you can´t close your eyes to the alcoholism.
    Besides, the alcoholism gives an all new meaning and depth to the origin movie.


    BTW, i was serious when i said that the all kidnapped and forced to make the armor angle from the origin should be changed...
     
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  16. The Question

    The Question Objectivism doesn't work.

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    Personally, I think he should be kidnaped and forced to build weapons in China. A right wing terrorist group led by a fellow calling himself "The Mandarin" wants to use Stark's weapons to lead a particularly bloody cue against the Chinese government. From Stark's designs, he gets his rings.
     
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    I do, but like has been stated its not part of Tony's origin, maybe hint to a future problem, but nothing more than that, Jon wants to save the alcoholism for later films, and thats appropiate.
     
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    What Isildur's Heir doesn't understand that Iron Man was around almost two decades before the alcoholism was written in.

    It's not an integral part of an origin story which this movie is going to be.
     
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    And it gives what?
    It´s part of who he is...

    Didn´t you knew, Superman, when was created, didn´t fly, he jumped around, hence the "ABLE TO LEAP TALL BUILDINGS IN A SINGLE BOUND".
    He just got the ability to fly during the 40´s, does this means they got the origin wrong?
    Bruce Banner didn´t transformed into a physical manifestation of his repressed feelings and had various Hulk personalities, but that is canon now.
    Prior to Detective Comics #38, Batman killed and used firearms....
    Do i need to go on?
    Bottom line is, alcoholism is an integral part of Tony Stark´s origin...

    I agree with this guy (minus the, with alcoholism, the story loses any sense of real depth): http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2006/05/tony_stark_not_an_alcoholic_in_iron_man.html
     
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    The alcoholism was an important issue for Tony Stark in the early to mid 80s, but it isn't anymore. And shouldn't be in this movie, they probably should just give hints that he likes to drink, but not make him a full blown alcoholic.

    Iron Man has been around for 43 years, and was an alcoholic for about 3 -4 of those years almost +20 years ago, Jon is doing the right thing by saving the alcohoism for another time
     
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  21. AndrewGilkison

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    I'd wait until hearing more about what IS going to be in the movie, and how the origin is handled, and how well the character is written, and how he is played by the actor that is cast, before fretting about a supposed "lack of depth", just because they didn't introduce this element of his history in the first film. Maybe what Favreau wants to do is make you give a goddamn about Tony Stark before he develops a drinking problem, so its more tragic, and then you are rooting for him. I really don't see anything wrong with that kind of story choice.

    Alcoholism isn't like Spider-Man cracking jokes at a villain's expense. Its a pretty serious issue, especially for what would be a PG-13 superhero flick. It deserves more attention then it would get in a movie that also tries to tell the origin of the character. You need to establish the character first, so the audience will actually care when he has a drinking problem.
     
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    Thats what I have been saying. Iron Man is not a story about an alcoholic. The audiance doesn't know him or care about him yet, you want the audiance to care about Tony the same way they care about Peter Parker or the X-men or Superman. Then once that connection is established you can introduce the alchoholism that would have to take up a whole movie. It would be too much for the first movie anyway, look at Daredevil. His Origin, Bullseye, Electra(who was totally changed), the whol Kingpin story. Those were four movies right there added into one.
    For Iron man's origin you have to get the audiance to believe that this man has actually made armor that allows him to fly, be bullet proof, and shoot repulser beams from his hands. Doing something like that might take a whole movie right there, and the audiance has to get to know Tony and understand why he is being iron Man.
     
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  23. rugger1114

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    The origin they should use on that Ellis updated in the current IM book, where everything was the same as the original, just modernized to being in Afganistan. The whole alcholic issue should be shown but not made into a major problem yet, have something like Rhodes or Jarvis being concerned about Tony's drinking, possibly even tabloids writing about Tony drinking to much, but Tony saying he doesn't have a problem. Possibly have the movie end on Tony going to AA and have the next movie deal with his inner demons, and his battle with the bottle. On an semi-related note the villan for the first movie should be the Crimson Dynamo, hopefully the origin of CD doesn't change, it should still be Ivan Vanko, just have him be a Russian scientist who is to furter his reserch or electricity so Russian can have cheaper electricity in Post-communism Russia, and he builds the CD armor and tries to sell it on the black market.
     
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  24. Artistsean

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    I think CD is a great Iron Man villian but I'd be worried that audiances who don't know Iron Man yet would confuse the two armored characters. Not that i can think of a good villian for the first film myself.
     
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