Wheldon on Wonder Woman 11/22/06

[raybia]

Why give Wonder Woman the invisible jet when she can fly? It's stupid. It's like giving Batman a car when he can already swing from rooftop to rooftop, or glide.

Not a good example.

 

[Manic]

It's like giving Iron Man a private jet.

 

[raybia]

It's like giving Iron Man a private jet.

YES!! Good JOB! t:

 

[BrianWilly]

She uses it to transport passengers and cargo. That's the answer straight from the comics.

I said it before and I'll say it again - Wonder Woman doesn't need the God damned Invisible Jet. It's an outdated piece of crap, a relic of the Silver Age. The fact that people associate it with her does not mean it should be in the movie, not when it was dropped from her comics almost 20 years ago. It holds back her evolution as a character and, simply put, the Invisible Jet is just plain stupid. Nobody takes that invisible piece of junk seriously, and we want people to take Wonder Woman seriously if her film is to succeed.

The modern Wonder Woman still uses the invisible jet.

 

[Manic]

Bah, she doesn't need the invisible jet to carry passengers! She can just put a saddle on her ass, Superfriends Green Lantern-style. Only a chump of a superhero needs a jet to get around, when they can travel under their own power. You know, like the Human Torch, half of the X-Men, or most of the Avengers.

I challenge any one of you insane invisible jet supporters to come up with one good reason why Wonder Woman, close friend of military pilot Steve Trevor, would ever set foot on a plane.

 

[ultimatefan]

Bah, Whedom keeps coming up with excuses why he can´t crack this up, instead of simply admiting his writing style isn´t right for WW.

 

[raybia]

I challenge any one of you insane invisible jet supporters to come up with one good reason why Wonder Woman, close friend of military pilot Steve Trevor, would ever set foot on a plane.

Free peanuts?

 

[InkSlinger]

Why give Wonder Woman the invisible jet when she can fly? It's stupid. It's like giving Batman a car when he can already swing from rooftop to rooftop, or glide.

Batman needs the Batmobile.
It's as much a part of his set-up as his other toys. He's only human.
But Wonder Woman isn't.
She's as powerful as Superman, for the most part, and shouldn't be portrayed as a 20 year old debutante.
That's why I insisted the Kingdom Come maturity be studied.
That's how Ross nailed Superman and made him so real you could taste it.
Thanks to GL1 for the analysis.
(And I thought I was long-winded!)
You're right, of course. This isn't going to be easy to write, but I think once he figures out just what it is he wants this movie and it's character's to do, he'll knock out the script like a man posessed.
(No, no, no, no to the invisible jet. It was a crappy gimmick and I'm glad it's gone. You might as well equip her with a shape changing iPod.)

It would have to be for more than the free peanuts.
No one ever said Steve Trevor would even be mentioned, much less part of this movie.

 

[GL1]

Circe! I knew I forgot somebody... but do we really want to switch Circe's origin to coincide with Diana's? Furthermore, do we want to miss out on the battle-of-the-sexes aspects of Wondy's conflicts? Whedon doesn't... good find though, I forgot Circe actually is my fav Wondy villain... I'd put her in a sequel so she can have her own backstory and big a huge threat as opposed to a cutting of the teeth.

Also, the Invisible Jet ISN'T an invisible Jet nowadays... it's Lasinar (alien/mystical) technology, translucent that transforms into ANYthing she desires. Seriously, if you guys are watching JLU or 70s WW or Superfriends and thinking you know anything about how cool the "Invisible Jet" is, then you are clueless. Wonder Woman has a translucent OMNI-vehicle that occasinally transforms into a jet... it also can form into a headquarters and it would be an awesome tool to acquire from the enemy towards the end of the movie.

Basically: The Invisible Jet hasn't been An Invisible Jet for some time.

Manic is funny, btw.

But then we have the other possibility, that instead of getting the Lasinar-like tech as in comics Whedon will go for the throwaway Invisible Jet line or sequence. Somehow Diana ends up in an experimental Military Jet. To that I shrug. Hijacking Military Tech to get the drop on a villain? Sounds cool... but ultimately unneccessary... and that's all I have to say about that... for now. (I only get around to a point on those huge posts...)

 

[The Overlord]

Ah, another thing I forgot to mention... The invisible jet isn't what you saw ont he 70's show or on the Superfriends Cartoon. Even wikipedia knows this.

Perfect world: The villain has the would-be-IJ and uses it as a weapon/transport/base and Wonder Woman ends up claiming it for the climax of the movie (Say, how she GETS to the villain, by hijacking his own stuff).

Name one original villain that appeared in a comic movie, that didn't completely suck.

How do we know that an original villain would be better, consider that most original villains in comic book movies have sucked (Ross Weber and Nuclear Man, anyone). Besides WW comic rogues don't have to be exactly like they are in the comics, they could revamped to fit better in a movie.

 

[raybia]

Name one original villain that appeared in a comic movie, that didn't completely suck.

Why do we know that an original villain would be better, consider that most original villains in comic book movies have sucked (Ross Weber and Nuclear Man, anyone). Besides WW comic rogues don't have to be exactly like they are in the comics, they could revamped to fit better in a movie.

Here, here!

A non-rogues gallery villian created specifically for a live action movie just seems...wrong.

 

[SurfDUI]

when they can travel under their own power. You know, like the Human Torch, half of the X-Men, or most of the Avengers.

I challenge any one of you insane invisible jet supporters to come up with one good reason why Wonder Woman, close friend of military pilot Steve Trevor, would ever set foot on a plane.

Plus how come one singular hero gets a whole plane-who is she Julia Roberts?? Where the hell does WW get jet fuel from anyway
Her badass can fly and tear a plane out from the inside.

 

[raybia]

Plus how come one singular hero gets a whole plane-who is she Julia Roberts?? Where the hell does WW get jet fuel from anyway
Her badass can fly and tear a plane out from the inside.

LOL! t:


Welcome to the Hype!

 

[I Am The Knight]

If the antagonist is one of the big problems, Whedon should do what Burton did with the Penguin: Changed him completely. That worked wonderfully, and Penguin was turned from lame-ish villain to a mirror image of who Batman is. Meaning, he should pick a villain from her rogues gallery and give him/her a different profile.

 

[SurfDUI]

Meaning, he should pick a villain from her rogues gallery and give him/her a different profile.

Make the Cheetah a gang of mutants w/ a couple dozen members.

 

[Max Shrek]

For a villain, what about Circe?

 

[raybia]

For a villain, what about Circe?

I'm not jumping to any conclusions, but can someone name one successful female villian/antagonist in a comic book/action adventure movie?

 

[BrianWilly]

No one ever said Steve Trevor would even be mentioned, much less part of this movie.

Um, Joel Silver did.

Asked where they were at right now with the movie Silver replied that they have a script and they know where they are going. He said, "It's the origin story. It has mythology. Steve Trevor crashes on the island and they go back to Man's World."

 

[raybia]

Um, Joel Silver did.

So a man shows up on Paradise Island (Paradise because of a lack of men) then Diana goes to Man's World where she becomes known as Wonder Woman and she ends up taking on her nemesis Circe...a Woman?

The villian should be a male I thinks.

 

[Manic]

Actually, Wonder Woman's greatest ally being a man (Steve), and her enemy being a woman (Circe) would display some incredible irony. Paradise Island wasn't a paradise because it was only populated by women. Women can be just as bad as men, and men can be just as good as the women Diana grew up knowing.

That way, we learn something at the end of the movie other than "all men are evil."

 

[raybia]

Actually, Wonder Woman's greatest ally being a man (Steve), and her enemy being a woman (Circe) would display some incredible irony. Paradise Island wasn't a paradise because it was only populated by women. Women can be just as bad as men, and men can be just as good as the women Diana grew up knowing.

That way, we learn something at the end of the movie other than "all men are evil."

That makes sense.

 

[Max Shrek]

I'm not jumping to any conclusions, but can someone name one successful female villian/antagonist in a comic book/action adventure movie?

Name one successful female hero/protagonist in a comic book/action adventure movie.

 

[Fused]

Lt. Ellen Ripley.

 

[cinephan]

I'm not jumping to any conclusions, but can someone name one successful female villian/antagonist in a comic book/action adventure movie?

You don't consider Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman successful?

 

[Manic]

Don't forget Ursa.