When Smallville ends...

[BatFitz]

I'm a bit confused...since all these Superman canon characters (Lois, Perry, Jimmy, etc.) are being introduced to the character of Clark now, how would Gough/Millar pull off the transition to him being Superman and having the secret identity....now I'm not saying that Smallville will turn into Metropolis: The Series....I'm talking Series Finale....the only way I can imagine it at this point is Jor-El wiping the memory of everyone who knows him, besides Martha (or she could've died) so that when he travels to Metropolis and can master his Clark character so to speak and make him a totally different person...also, by then, I think he will have been training in the fortress, if indeed it does get revived....just a thought....

 

[AFan 2]

This is when the sloppy writing of the writers won't allow smallville to fit into the rest of the superman verse. Yes i know its got its own continuity however Smallville has been setting up the Superman persona only, they have completly forgot that SUperman will go under two different identities when he is older. So it could never work if they wanted to go on and do a superman show with the same cast.

Now if they had been cleaver they could have done what they wanted and left things open. For starters Clark was blinded in season 3 and for a while had to wear glasses, why did he not keep them and pretend to have a weakness?? He could have then met Lois and Jimmy come season 4 and 6 and they would have always known him with glasses.

Also another thing why make Perry suspicious that Clark has powers?? Now when Clark shows up at the Planet around the same time a superbeing starts flying around town Perry should cotton on straight away??

I have always thought that If Clark met Lois or Perry then he could have had amnesia and called himself Kal-el similar to the way he first met Lois, but they never find out his real name. That way they arte just under the belief that there is someone out there with powers but don't know who he is.

Basically there were loads of things the writeres could have done but they only have short sited views and think of the show they have now. As a result they have introduced many things SUPERMAN to the show, ZOD, Perry, Lois, Jimmy, The Daily Planet offices. It is now essentially a superman show with the one problem that it could not realistically become a Good Superman show in the future because everyone would moan at the fact that everyone was too dumb to figure out Clark was Superman because they spent 6 or 7 years hanging around with him when he had no glasses and everyone thought he was special.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

the entire secret identity of Superman is aq huge leap of believability to begin with. Even with that Smallville's done, the only one who's really problematic is Lois, but perhaps in this continuity Lois will know Clark's secret, and as she said in Season 4 when Chloe was alluding to knowing something about "someone" and should she tell them that she knew, Lois told her that if she really respected said person, she'd wait until they were ready to tell her.

 

[Zorex]

That's possible. Or maybe they just won't go into it. Maybe as far as we'll get is the suit.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's not really a problem. Smallville's separate from the comics. End of story. The creators are free to do whatever they want with the show, and it doesn't necessarily have to tie into anything in the comics. So, really, it doesn't matter that Clark's met Zod, one of his most dangerous enemies, as a teenager and dispatched with him relatively easily; it doesn't matter that Jimmy Olsen is basically the same age as Clark; it doesn't matter if Lois finds out his secret and they end up together sooner rather than later. There's been no way to link Smallville with the comics for a couple of seasons now. Look at Birthright. If Mark Waid can't figure out a way to get them to work together, no one can.

My only real complaint about the whole situation is that Gough and Miller's changes keep making me have to break into 20-minute history lessons when my friends ask if such-and-such from Smallville really happened in the comics.

 

[Kid_Kaos]

Also another thing why make Perry suspicious that Clark has powers?? Now when Clark shows up at the Planet around the same time a superbeing starts flying around town Perry should cotton on straight away??

That's actually a plot point I really like. If there ever is a "Superman Begins" with an updated origin I'd like them to bring in a reverence to the "Perry" episode when Clark has the job interview with him. That way it would make more sense for a farmboy getting a highrated job at the biggest paper in the world.
They could have a short talk about their little meeting and how f'd up Perry was at that time (alcohol problems). Later on when Perry sees Superman he would understand Clarks intentions and be more gratefull instead of an total a$$. It would be good to add some reality. Cause nearly everytime Superman has to show up Clark leaves his workplace. We all know what happens when we just leave work. Perry could cover for Clark and become like a good friend or even a father figure during the story.

I'd rather see that instead of the old lame "I'm the Chief! Shut up and do what I say!" approach. Sure, it's funny to see that on Spider-Man - but Peter doesn't work fulltime, he needs no cover. Also it would add some depth to Perry.

Just a thought.

 

[Joker]

On the Perry subject, it was actually implied in an issue of Batman that he probably knows Clark is Superman. That was Pre-Infinite WallPunch though, so who knows now.

 

[Eddie Brock]

here's 4 word for you, sir:

IT

DOESN'T

F***ING

MATTER

after Smallville ends, IT ENDS
there will be no "Metropolis"

 

[Eddie Brock]

Kaboom should add this to his sticky too.

too bad Kaboom and Serene kinda hate me
oh well, Lana-bashing is worth it

 

[Eddie Brock]

I'm sure they dont hate you for bashing Lana. Everyone bashes her.

so i thought...

 

[Dope Nose]

here's 4 word for you, sir:

IT

DOESN'T

F***ING

MATTER

after Smallville ends, IT ENDS
there will be no "Metropolis"

did you even read BatFitz's post? specifically where he said that he wasn't saying that Smallville would turn into Metropolis? of course it doesn't matter. none of the threads about Smallville matter because it's a TV show but we're on a messageboard. that means that people discuss things. so maybe take a step back and try not to come off as such an ass.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

That way it would make more sense for a farmboy getting a highrated job at the biggest paper in the world.

Funny, I always assumed that Perry White gave Clark Kent a job at the Daily Planet for being a damn good reporter.

the entire secret identity of Superman is aq huge leap of believability to begin with.

It all depends on how you look at it. Not to mention what version of the mythos you're looking at.

Take, for example, Donner's original Superman film, Mark Waid's Birthright, and Grant Morrison's All-Star Superman. All of these show a Kal-El who, as Clark Kent, goes out of his way to appear bumbling, timid, and less than sure of himself. Contrast that to Kal-El as Superman, a being who just exudes majesty and confidence even if he doesn't want to. When you look at it like that, the disguise becomes so much more than glasses - it becomes how people percieve Clark Kent in comparison to how they percieve Superman.

It's not really a problem. Smallville's separate from the comics. End of story.

We're not talking about the comics. We're talking about the way the average American percieves the Superman mythos.

The show is supposed to be about a young Clark Kent learning about his powers and how to use them responsibly, while still dealing with the average things a teenager faces. For the first few (3 or so) seasons, it did this relatively well. People may complain about the inclusion of Lex Luthor, but the original incarnation of Superboy had the two as childhood friends, so that's actually a bit closer to the comics.

Anyway, the writers have started to add integral parts of the Superman mythos into the pre-Superman years - Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, the Daily Planet, Brainiac, Zod, etc. By doing this, the show continues to muddle the VERY DISTINCT line that Kal-El later draws between Clark Kent and Superman, and therefore makes what the viewer knows will happen to him later in his life less and less and less believable.

 

[Eddie Brock]

did you even read BatFitz's post? specifically where he said that he wasn't saying that Smallville would turn into Metropolis? of course it doesn't matter. none of the threads about Smallville matter because it's a TV show but we're on a messageboard. that means that people discuss things. so maybe take a step back and try not to come off as such an ass.

that is so cute
but if we're on a message board, does it matter if i come off as an ass? it's not like i have any intention of ever meeting you people in person

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

that is so cute
but if we're on a message board, does it matter if i come off as an ass? it's not like i have any intention of ever meeting you people in person

That doesn't mean there aren't guidelines of etiquitte that apply to any basic form of human interaction that you should try to abide by.

 

[Eddie Brock]

That doesn't mean there aren't guidelines of etiquitte that apply to any basic form of human interaction that you should try to abide by.

it's not like i broke any major etiquitte rules
as he said, this is a place for discussion
i discussed my opinion
if i came off as an ass, big deal...those are my beliefs and i will fight them to the death

 

[Matt312]

How many more seasons does Smallville have left?

 

[avidreader]

How many more seasons does Smallville have left?

Kaboom, I think that's one for the sticky thread.

 

[Mike_D202]

Well being that Clark STILL hasnt been wearing glasses yet, and pretty much everybody has seen him without glasses (and when I mean everybody, i mean EVERYBODY), I'd say that the secret identity thing would be a little hard to take care of with the writers.

Then again, in Ultimate Spider-Man, Mary found out about Peter's secret Identity almost right off the bat. So who knows.

 

[Kaboom]

Kaboom, I think that's one for the sticky thread.

lol...the sticky grows!

 

[Eddie Brock]

How many more seasons does Smallville have left?

since everyone HAS IGNORED you
Season 7 is almost definitely the last season

 

[Eddie Brock]

Hahaha

and i'm the one who looks like an ass...
at least i answered the guy's question rather than insult his intelligence

 

[Eros]

well i assume the writers and producers of smallville are fully of aware of the gaping plothole. One must assume they really don't care, they only cared about ratings. brining Lois in brought alittle boost in ratings in season 4, so they kept her around. Jimmy Olsen,Perry white, Lex Luthor etc, im pretty sure the writers simply have dug themselves in a hole they just admittdely can't get out of.

 

[Dope Nose]

that is so cute
but if we're on a message board, does it matter if i come off as an ass? it's not like i have any intention of ever meeting you people in person

so your mentality is that since you're not interacting with anyone in person there's no reason to treat people with a modicum of respect. at which point do you decide to adhere to basic social etiquette? would you still take the same tone you took with BatFitz if you were speaking to someone on the phone? where exactly do you draw the line?

it's not like i broke any major etiquitte rules
as he said, this is a place for discussion
i discussed my opinion

your opinion, as near as I can tell, is that you have no interest in discussing the topic. sort of raises the question as to why you would bother to post in the first place, other than the juvenile thrill one would assume you receive from saying 'f***'.

if i came off as an ass, big deal...those are my beliefs and i will fight them to the death

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you meant that you would fight for your beliefs rather than fight the beliefs themselves as you've written above. anyway, nice attitude. you may feel some sense of satisfaction in believing that you're defending your right to free speech but here's the thing - acting like an ass and treating people as such and then defending your right to do so isn't exactly something to be proud of.

regarding BatFitz's question - given we've been shown a glimpse of Superman in the first season episode 'Hourglass', it's certain that Clark will eventually become Superman in Smallville continuity so yeah, they've pretty much written themselves into a hole by constantly introducing characters and elements from what would eventually be Clark's adult life.

 

[BatFitz]

I don't remember the glimpse of Superman in the Hourglass episode....Blast! Somebody's borrowing my first season

 

[AFan 2]

The writers are just idiots to write themselves into a hole in the first place. It would not have been to hard to set guidelines for themselves not to cross.

I know smallville is its own universe but it still is supposed to be a story about Clark Kent a boy who grows up to become Superman. Yes the show can do its own thing but there are certain things they should have just stayed away from smallville is a prequel series and even though there will be no Superman series they should have just left somethings open.

Although the Starwars prequels were not perfect, in fact they were quite flawed, at least they did not contradict too many things that happen in the Future. The mistakes and Plot holes that Smallville is setting up are the equivilent of George Lucas changing his mind and having Anakin Kill the Emperor at the end of episode 3 making the originals a complete paradox.