when was it published that Steve R. was'nt the first captain america?

I loved tha art in this awesome mini... it really captures the mood of the story.

Having said that, this type of art in another storyline would be terrible.

:)
 
As someone mentioned, Baker won an Eisner for his art in Plastic Man. I think all the fuss over Plastic Man was that it recaptured the goofy, fun atmosphere of the original Plastic Man stories, though, so it's kind of similar to Truth in that sense.

Anyway, regardless of Baker's stylistic choices, his storytelling ability is excellent. Truth flowed perfectly and worked on pretty much all artistic fronts for me.
 
I saw this at my store.Might pick it up.
 
This colonial Captain America wouldnt be confused with the Spirit of 76 would it?
 
1940s - Operation: Rebirth

In current Marvel Universe history, Steven Rogers was a scrawny American fine arts student specializing in illustration in the early 1940s before America's entry into World War II. He was disturbed by the rise of the Third Reich enough to attempt to enlist only to be rejected due to his poor constitution. By chance, a US Army officer looking for test subjects for a top secret defense research project offered Rogers an alternate way to serve his country. This project, Operation: Rebirth, consisted of developing a means to create physically superior soldiers and Rogers was deemed ideal.
Rogers agreed to volunteer for the research and after a rigorous physical and combat training and selection process, was chosen as the first human test subject for a chemical formula that was termed the Super-Soldier Serum, developed by the scientist Dr. Emil Erskine (who was code-named "Dr. Reinstein").
However, it was revealed years later that Rogers was not the first to be given the Super-Soldier formula. While Rogers was still being assessed, some military members of the project felt that a non-soldier was not the right candidate and secretly gave Erskine's incomplete formula to Clinton McIntyre. However, this made McIntyre violently insane, and he had to be subdued and placed in cold storage. The criminal organization AIM would later revive McIntyre as the homicidal Protocide. (Captain America Annual, 2000).
A beta version of the formula was given to Isaiah Bradley, who became the only survivor of a group of African-American soldiers that "Reinstein" and the military experimented on in 1942. After the last two members of his group were killed, Bradley stole the costume meant for Rogers and wore it on a suicide mission to destroy the Nazi super-soldier effort at a German concentration camp. Bradley was captured, but eventually rescued and court martialed. He was imprisoned for 17 years in Leavenworth until he was pardoned by President Eisenhower. By the time of his release, the long-term effects of the formula turned Bradley into a hulking, sterile giant with the mentality of a 7-year-old. Rogers would not find out about Bradley until decades later (Truth: Red, White and Black, 2003). The current Patriot, a member of the Young Avengers, has been revealed to be the grandson of Isaiah Bradley.
 
Well, I remember that it being mentioned quite a few times that Steve R wasn't the 1st to be tested on, just the 1st who turned out the best. Don't recall what issues tho.
Other than any What if type storys, that is the only Captain America. The others are like Captain Liberty or something to that effect.
 
(smiling at your avatar - Props)

Captain America,... "The Truth" rubbed too many fan boys the wrong way,....

I guess I could sympathize,.. I had a similar reaction to the retcon of Gwen-****-Stacy,..... but there is a major diff between the two:

There is evidence that this was JUST how they would've done it back then,.. sorry to say if you were not white,.. a lot of stuff could happen to you and it was "okay"

No heat,.. it was a "different time" back then.
 
Varient said:
(smiling at your avatar - Props)

Captain America,... "The Truth" rubbed too many fan boys the wrong way,....

I guess I could sympathize,.. I had a similar reaction to the retcon of Gwen-****-Stacy,..... but there is a major diff between the two:

There is evidence that this was JUST how they would've done it back then,.. sorry to say if you were not white,.. a lot of stuff could happen to you and it was "okay"

No heat,.. it was a "different time" back then.

It should have rubbed them wrong because it shows another side of the flag waving hero story.
 
Which the flag waving hero had nothing to do with. He didn't learn about Isiah until decades later. It doesn't ruin Cap's character at all. It does make the government look like *******s, but really, when has any government in the history of the world not been full of *******s?
 
Caliber said:
It should have rubbed them wrong because it shows another side of the flag waving hero story.

So,... what should they do? remain in denial? claim it's a bad retcon?

I once listened to a confused young man tell me that EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED from slavery to today was exaggerated.
That ANY proof provided were "Isolated cases".
That the Civil Rights Movement wasn't required,.. that if Blacks and other Minorities had just waited another 100 years or so it would be better for them in the end.

I dare say that if I'd still been a teen,.. I'da popped him one for being stuck on stupid.
 
Darthphere said:
This colonial Captain America wouldnt be confused with the Spirit of 76 would it?

No, I know the Spirit of 76. Real Name: William Nasland. Originally introduced as the only American member of the Freedom Fighters, a spoof of DC's Freedom Fighters, to serve as the Uncle Sam parallel. He, along with Dyno-Mite (whou would late become the second Mighty Destroyer) were the only ones to reappear after the group's encounter with the invaders; Nasland later became Captain America II (if Isaiah is 0), and a founding member of the All-Winners Squad.

I'm serious, there was a colonial captain America. I remember, he had this duel, but the gun he got wasn't loaded, so he threw it...
 
Was there anything special about him, or was he just a tough guy who decided that he should be captain of an as-yet-nonexistant nation?
 
He wasn't backed by the government, but he had a mask, and a tricorner hat, and I have little to no recollection of the story he was in except for the gun-throw, because Wizard made fun of him for it in like their July 2000 issue, give or take a few years. My memory is really not what it used to be, I tell you.

Found a link: http://www.geocities.com/ratmmjess/rogers.html
 
So will this same thing happen to Patriot? From the blood transfusion i haven't read every issue so correct me if i'm wrong
 
rigel7soldiers said:
He wasn't backed by the government, but he had a mask, and a tricorner hat, and I have little to no recollection of the story he was in except for the gun-throw, because Wizard made fun of him for it in like their July 2000 issue, give or take a few years. My memory is really not what it used to be, I tell you.

Found a link: http://www.geocities.com/ratmmjess/rogers.html
So... technically he was Captain Yankee Doodle? Ouch. :(
 
Huh. Yeah, I guess. So.. I guess, technically, Steve Rogers was the first Captain America. Sorta.

It's weird how much that costume looks like regular Cap's, huh?
 
Lucy in the sky said:
So will this same thing happen to Patriot? From the blood transfusion i haven't read every issue so correct me if i'm wrong


Patriot doesn't have powers. He lied about having them and then started shooting up on super steroids cultivated from the growth hormones of superhumans to keep up with his team mates.
 
The growth hormones of mutants, specifically. The drug was called MGH (mutant growth hormone).
rigel7soldiers said:
Huh. Yeah, I guess. So.. I guess, technically, Steve Rogers was the first Captain America. Sorta.

It's weird how much that costume looks like regular Cap's, huh?
Yeah, it is really similar. I suppose there's only a certain number of ways to apply an American flag to a human body, though.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
Yeah, it is really similar. I suppose there's only a certain number of ways to apply an American flag to a human body, though.


LMAO!
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
The growth hormones of mutants, specifically. The drug was called MGH (mutant growth hormone).


Yeah, but the batch he was using was cultivated from Mr. Hyde's glands.
 
The Question said:
Yeah, but the batch he was using was cultivated from Mr. Hyde's glands.

Doesn't Hyde need those glands for whatever he uses them for?
 
The Question said:
Yeah, but the batch he was using was cultivated from Mr. Hyde's glands.
Then I guess that wasn't MGH after all, but rather SHGH.
 
rigel7soldiers said:
Doesn't Hyde need those glands for whatever he uses them for?


Yeah, but it doesn't mean they can't extract the hormones from them.


TheCorpulent1 said:
Then I guess that wasn't MGH after all, but rather SHGH.


Also, the MGH from the Daredevil arc "Underboss" was cultivated from The Owl's petuitary glands. So, I don't think being born superhuman is necessairy for taking MGH from someone's hormones.
 

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