DACrowe
Avenger
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I love the first Batman film, and it will go down as one of the all time greats. Batman Returns is sloppy, and Tim Burton run amok. There is nothing about Batman in that movie, nor the Penguin, nor Catwoman really.
I remember an interview with Tim Burton at the time and he said Tim Burton was a "weak character". This from someone who never reads comic books. So he turns Penguin into slime spitting mutant.
Catwoman was not a meager secretary who gets pushed out a window and bitten by radio active cats, she's a cat burgler. I'll admit that Pfeiffer's performance was the strongest in the film, but the film is a laughable joke that is more Ronald Dahl than it is Bob Kane.
I guess if you like it, then OK, but it discredits the point your trying to make with Iron Man. I actually have a soft spot for the Fantastic Four movies, but I wouldn't put them on any "best of" list.
To each their own. Albeit, I don't see how my liking of BR affects my comments or criticisms of IM2.
Your entire disdain for BR seems to be based on that it is not like the comic series (though there are countless variations on these characters in the comics). That's fine. But that doesn't bug me, because despite a rather irrelevant narrative (which was intentional), BR is a very tight film. Batman, Catwoman and especially Penguin are all very well developed and tragically sympathetic while repulsive. The ending is emotionally moving and seeing Catwoman kill Christopher Walken (who was in top form) and Batman lose--literally fail--at it all at the end was a punch to the stomach as a kid and still cathartically moving when I occasionally watch it today.
Keaton, DeVito, ESPECIALLY Pffeifer and WAlken were on in top form and the aesthetics of this film, particularly the costume design, cinematography and superb Danny Elfman score make this a fine movie, IMO. Whether it is accurate or not.
IM2 I thought was a forgettable, muddled movie that was not nearly as charming as the first installment due to the overworked narrative. BR begins and ends with itself, IM2 feels like an ad for future Marvel films. This is just my opinion, but that is what makes IM2 a lesser film. Just my opinion.