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Sequels Who do you want for the four horsemen?

Heretic said:
hey, I'm just dealing with the cards the movies have dealt us...so many of you want to erase some of the crap the movies have done...I dont...I simply want them to carry on with better stories, yet not contradict what went before or lessen the impact of future stories by bringing characters back.

Cyclops should come back, but that's a whole other thing that I don't feel like getting into right now.

Angel should be the only 'known' mutant to be changed into a Horseman. The focus on the original storyline was on Angel and his character being injected with more depth, so having someone like Rogue or Cyclops become a Horseman as well, is like:

A.) Wolverine taking Cyclops' role in X3.
B.) A movie-introduced Gambit hooking up with Kitty instead of Rogue.

Just to make clear, I'm not jumping down your throat, as this is directed towards the whole board. But if Apocalypse and his troupe is introduced, that is Angel's storyline. Anyone other major players that are brought in as a Horseman will kill the impact of it.
 
Heretic said:
hey, I'm just dealing with the cards the movies have dealt us...so many of you want to erase some of the crap the movies have done...I dont...I simply want them to carry on with better stories, yet not contradict what went before or lessen the impact of future stories by bringing characters back.

You can easily bring back Cyclops and Rogue without it being farfetched and stupid. If anything they lessened the impact of Xaviers death by bringing him back in the end anyways, so why are you contradicting yourself with the statement of lessening the impact?

They also lessened the impact of Magneto being cured anyways, so again, why talk about lessening it? If anything bringing back Cyclops, Magneto, Mystique, and Rogue can be done without it being laughable or tiresome.
 
WorthyStevens4 said:
Cyclops should come back, but that's a whole other thing that I don't feel like getting into right now.

Angel should be the only 'known' mutant to be changed into a Horseman. The focus on the original storyline was on Angel and his character being injected with more depth, so having someone like Rogue or Cyclops become a Horseman as well, is like:

Um, I do NOT think that Cyclops should be a Horseman...Im cool with Pyro getting in on things, but thats about it (and Angel of course) You got me confused with someone else. I want Cyclops to stay dead.

The "cure" is pathetic and by the end of X3 they already showed that it was temporary...ugh...therefore I fully expect Rogues powers to return...they can make her dealing with that a big part of the next movie...she doesn't want powers though...to eliminate a potentially moving story of her trying to desperately keep her powers from returning with her being given Horsemen powers is silly...My theory has always been for her to try to supress her returning powers for the entire next film, until the X men are being slaughtered and need her to use them, and she kills a bad guy by stealing his flight, strength and invulnerability...
 
Well I stick with my own choise

Rogue Death
Gambit War
Magneto Pestilence
Xavier Famine
 
MaleRogue, those horsemen manips are pretty cool, but I doubt they'll be in those outfits.
 
I know for sure they won't hahahah....
But I used what I made or got
 
Gambit
Rouge
Archangel
Havok

Movie starts with BellaDonna dieing, that is how Gambit turns

Rouge gets her powers back while interacting with Iceman

Angel loses wings to Gambit in fight, giving him to Mr. Sinister

Havok is possesed by Apocalypse with the death of Cyclops
 
PHOENIX Famine
Magneto War (Get it War has Begun)
Angel Death
Cyclops Pestilence


Apocalypse Restores her body and Heals her Body and has her under a leash

Magneto Makes a Deal To Get his powers back Fully

Angel's Wings are Broken during maybe hmmmm a Sentinel Attack Apocalypse does his thing

After Phoenix did whatever to Cyke Apocalypse brings him Back
 
There has to be 3 more.

He should be the only known Horseman. Pestilence, Famine and War should be unknown mutants like in the comics.

In other words, no Cyclops, no Rogue, no Xavier (good lord :csad:), and of that kind.

It's Angel's arc, and to make any other X-Man (or Brotherhood member) another Horseman alongside himself would ruin it. The original storyline was focused around Angel and his fall to disgrace. And it was his team members who tried to save him. So if any other X-Man aside from Angel were to be turned into a Horseman as well, the focus would be shifted away from him, as it shouldn't since it's HIS STORY.

It would be like if they decided to use Storm as Phoenix instead of Jean, and if Gambit ended up with Shadowcat instead of Rogue. And like how they actually used Wolverine instead of Cyclops to
 
It's Angel's arc, and to make any other X-Man (or Brotherhood member) another Horseman alongside himself would ruin it. The original storyline was focused around Angel and his fall to disgrace. And it was his team members who tried to save him. So if any other X-Man aside from Angel were to be turned into a Horseman as well, the focus would be shifted away from him, as it shouldn't since it's HIS STORY.

It would be like if they decided to use Storm as Phoenix instead of Jean, and if Gambit ended up with Shadowcat instead of Rogue. And like how they actually used Wolverine instead of Cyclops to

Say what you want WorthyStevens4. After the way the first 3 films turned out, it seems logical the movie "Apocolypse and the Four Horsemen" storyline will not be anything like the 616 version either. I continue to doubt their gonna use unknowns to be the other 3 horsemen b/c of time length issues. Adding too many new major characters in addition to who is already there will hurt it. That's what hurt X3. Oh and Angel won't be given the lead role in that story/film of the movieverse b/c he's not considered marketable enough.

Yet Jean was more in love with Logan than with Cylcops and Icman was paired up with Rogue and Kitty instead of Polaris. Oh and Jean was not really DP, she was just Jean acting like a psychotic corpse. Then Rogue was reduced down into the useless and inactive mutant that Kitty Pryde and Jubliee were when they first appeared. As long as this movieverse goes on, I guarantee you there will continue to be drastic deviations to everything included.
 
Say what you want WorthyStevens4. After the way the first 3 films turned out, it seems logical the movie "Apocolypse and the Four Horsemen" storyline will not be anything like the 616 version either.

They managed to keep Jean as Phoenix, so if they can do that, they can easily keep Angel as the only known Horseman.

I continue to doubt their gonna use unknowns to be the other 3 horsemen b/c of time length issues. Adding too many new major characters in addition to who is already there will hurt it. That's what hurt X3.

X3 tried adding Beast, Angel, Juggernaut, Callisto, Shadowcat (in an expanded role), Trask and Multiple Man, to name a few. The only new characters would be the 3 nameless Horsemen.

Besides, you don't need to spend a whole lot of time on the 3 other Horsemen. All they really are is fodder.

And it would spend more time to explain how Rogue and Cyclops (for example) would become Horsemen moreso than unknowns.

Oh and Angel won't be given the lead role in that story/film of the movieverse b/c he's not considered marketable enough.

He is. Otherwise he wouldn't have been plastered all over the place with X3's marketing. And besides, he would be transforming into Archangel. I think the majority of fans, and moviegoing audiences, would jump to see that. Big, badass loner dude with razor-sharp wings the width of my basement = Wolverine x 10.

Yet Jean was more in love with Logan than with Cylcops and Icman was paired up with Rogue and Kitty instead of Polaris. Oh and Jean was not really DP, she was just Jean acting like a psychotic corpse. Then Rogue was reduced down into the useless and inactive mutant that Kitty Pryde and Jubliee were when they first appeared. As long as this movieverse goes on, I guarantee you there will continue to be drastic deviations to everything included.

And you see how all those were received by fans. But in fairness, fans aren't really taken into consideration with these movies.

I don't mean to argue about this, but I'm just tired of seeing Angel get screwed over time and time again. Whether it be movies, videogames (except for X-Men Legends II), or TV shows.
 
He should be the only known Horseman. Pestilence, Famine and War should be unknown mutants like in the comics.

In other words, no Cyclops, no Rogue, no Xavier (good lord :csad:), and of that kind.

It's Angel's arc, and to make any other X-Man (or Brotherhood member) another Horseman alongside himself would ruin it. The original storyline was focused around Angel and his fall to disgrace. And it was his team members who tried to save him. So if any other X-Man aside from Angel were to be turned into a Horseman as well, the focus would be shifted away from him, as it shouldn't since it's HIS STORY.

It would be like if they decided to use Storm as Phoenix instead of Jean, and if Gambit ended up with Shadowcat instead of Rogue. And like how they actually used Wolverine instead of Cyclops to

I agree, although I don't know how well it would work anymore. I liked that Angel and Beast were left as potentially returning teammates in the first films as they were in the books, but The Last Stand did away with that for Angel. Moreover, Angel didn't know any of the X-Men nor was he shown getting to know them. Instead, he looked to be back in San Francisco. I guess he could always return, but they would need to take some time in the movie to build a convincing bond between he and the rest of the X-Men.
 
I agree, although I don't know how well it would work anymore. I liked that Angel and Beast were left as potentially returning teammates in the first films as they were in the books, but The Last Stand did away with that for Angel. Moreover, Angel didn't know any of the X-Men nor was he shown getting to know them. Instead, he looked to be back in San Francisco. I guess he could always return, but they would need to take some time in the movie to build a convincing bond between he and the rest of the X-Men.

I would say atleast one or two movies before he gets made into Death. His personality needs to be built up more, and needs to make a connection with audiences and like you've said, the rest of the X-Men.
 
Look WorthyStevens4 I'm not gonna tell you again. I'm telling you what seems "logical", NOT "definite". You sound like you don't know the difference between those terms.

I'm sure you had a problem with Xavier, Magneto, Mystique and Storm being the 4 horsemen in X-Men: Evolution didn't ya? Evo is another version of x-men fans always call an "alternate universe" and if they come with a 4 horsemen arc in Ultimate X-Men they won't use the same horsemen there either. Even the canon has changed the four horsemen everytime they write an arc including them. So, I know your hoping they'll stay faithful to the orignal 4 horsemen arc with Angel as Death, but it's not gonna happen. Welcome to the movieverse buddy.
 
Look WorthyStevens4 I'm not gonna tell you again. I'm telling you what seems "logical", NOT "definite". You sound like you don't know the difference between those terms.

I'm sure you had a problem with Xavier, Magneto, Mystique and Storm being the 4 horsemen in X-Men: Evolution didn't ya? Evo is another version of x-men fans always call an "alternate universe" and if they come with a 4 horsemen arc in Ultimate X-Men they won't use the same horsemen there either. Even the canon has changed the four horsemen everytime they write an arc including them. So, I know your hoping they'll stay faithful to the orignal 4 horsemen arc with Angel as Death, but it's not gonna happen. Welcome to the movieverse buddy.

Are you a mod? You're name's not in red, so I'm guessing no. Are you working for this franchise? Considering I doubt they'd hire someone with such a stilted view of how things need to be, that's also a big no. So you have no reason to tell anyone what is with with the movieverse.
 
Oh look it's the same troll sitting on my ignore list about to take over this thread.:whatever:
 
Look WorthyStevens4 I'm not gonna tell you again. I'm telling you what seems "logical", NOT "definite". You sound like you don't know the difference between those terms.

A. Calm down.

B. What you think is logical is just your opinion. It's not set in stone.

I'm sure you had a problem with Xavier, Magneto, Mystique and Storm being the 4 horsemen in X-Men: Evolution didn't ya? Evo is another version of x-men fans always call an "alternate universe" and if they come with a 4 horsemen arc in Ultimate X-Men they won't use the same horsemen there either. Even the canon has changed the four horsemen everytime they write an arc including them. So, I know your hoping they'll stay faithful to the orignal 4 horsemen arc with Angel as Death, but it's not gonna happen. Welcome to the movieverse buddy.

I've never seen those episodes, but since they didn't even attempt to use Angel as a Horseman, I'm not upset. Why? Because Angel wasn't transformed into Archangel, from what I've read. Besides, EVO is one of the only shows to get his character right.

And again, you aren't the director nor are you the screenwriter. So for you to say that it's not gonna happen is blatently ignorant.
 

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