Who Has The Most Dangerous Rogues Gallery? Batman Or Spidey?

[Ben Urich]

Yeah? Would you rather have a guy chase you with a knife or with 3 gigavolt lightning bolts flying out his hands?
Have a fat guy twirl an umbrella at you or have a pumpkin bomb bouncing at your feet?
Ooo! A big stick with a question mark on the end! Yikes! Oh, wait! The 4 mechanical arms break that (and you) in half.

Your ignorance makes me giggle.

 

[Anubis]

this isn't about who would win in a fight, or anything of the like. It's who is more of a threat. Spideys villins for the most part are guys with gimicks and powers who spends the majority of they're time robbing banks. Not even complicated stuff either, smash and grab mostly. To the general public, they are rather harmless, as long as you don't get in their way. But Batman has several villians that are just freakin insane. That will kill as many people as they can just because. How many people has Mr. Freeze killed for no reason? Two face decides a person's life on the flip of a coin. Killer Croc eats people. And I don't even have to mention the mass murders that the Joker has commited. And for what? Because it's funny. Seriously, i'll take a guy in a quilt suit with shock gauntlets trying to rob a bank over a psyco tree hugger who will kill every human being in an entire city so she can bring a utopia for freakin plants anyday.

 

[Gogo Bananas]

Well, kids. I've had a guy come at me with a chainsaw - I cracked him with a hockey stick. He was cukoo for coco puffs at the time. Well, actually gooned on LSD and having a bad trip - clinically insane.
Crazy people aren't as scarey as they are annoying.
As for whos rogues gallery is more vicious and what they're intentions are it depends who's writing them and when. This business of Two-Face and Joker been nasty is fairly new fangled. Even 20 years ago they were still just robbing banks for kicks.

 

[LibrarianThorne]

All these people saying "Spidey's villains win because they have powers" are grating on me. Batman and Nightwing, without much more than what they had on them at the time, took out AMAZO. An AMAZO with the powers of the Justice League. Not to mention how many times Batman has squared off against Superman, who could kick the crap out of Spidey's rogues with his eyes closed, and won (or at least tied).

On the other hand, I really don't think Spidey would have an inkling about what to do against Batman's most dangerous bad guys. Ra's and the Joker, for instance, leave Batman clues that basically only he can find and figure out their meaning. Spidey, much as I love the guy, isn't too great on detective work and I simply don't think he could put a stop to Batman's rogues before they did something truly horriffic.

 

[Zeu]

this isn't about who would win in a fight, or anything of the like. It's who is more of a threat. Spideys villins for the most part are guys with gimicks and powers who spends the majority of they're time robbing banks. Not even complicated stuff either, smash and grab mostly. To the general public, they are rather harmless, as long as you don't get in their way. But Batman has several villians that are just freakin insane. That will kill as many people as they can just because. How many people has Mr. Freeze killed for no reason? Two face decides a person's life on the flip of a coin. Killer Croc eats people. And I don't even have to mention the mass murders that the Joker has commited. And for what? Because it's funny. Seriously, i'll take a guy in a quilt suit with shock gauntlets trying to rob a bank over a psyco tree hugger who will kill every human being in an entire city so she can bring a utopia for freakin plants anyday.

LOL

"tree huger"
You know, it´s the very first time I see Ivy describbed with such accuracy.

 

[XSpidercideX]

Spidey is great at detective work, maybe not as great as Batman, but he's very gifted at coming up with gizmos to defeat tougher enemies. Carnage kills and kills just for fun unprovoked, he would easily blow up the planet if he had the chance. Green Goblin blew up the Daily Bugle, tried to kill everyone in it, just to aggrivate Spidey, he also tried to gain absolute power to rule the planet and tried to blow up New York. Doc Ock always has a grand scheme which threatens countless lives. Electro has no regard for human life, he blew up a street fulll of cars with kids in them just because Spidey got in his way. Many of Spidey's enemies are extremely dangerous and insane, sometimes they just arnt written as menacingly as Batman's villains. Which is why it seems that his villains would be more dangerous. But in reality, it wouldnt be nearly as dangerous in the world with Batman's villains as opposed to Spidey's. Just because no one would be able to stop a lot of Spidey's villains, while swat teams should easily be able to find and stop guys like the joker and two face.

 

[regwec]

Well, kids. I've had a guy come at me with a chainsaw - I cracked him with a hockey stick. He was cukoo for coco puffs at the time. Well, actually gooned on LSD and having a bad trip - clinically insane.
Crazy people aren't as scarey as they are annoying.

Yes, I'm convinced that that happened exactly as you describe.

As for whos rogues gallery is more vicious and what they're intentions are it depends who's writing them and when. This business of Two-Face and Joker been nasty is fairly new fangled. Even 20 years ago they were still just robbing banks for kicks.

No they weren't. Stop making ridiculous pronouncements and make just the smallest attempt to research your argument.

 

[Mr.Dent]

Green Goblin blew up the Daily Bugle, tried to kill everyone in it, just to aggrivate Spidey

Electro has no regard for human life, he blew up a street fulll of cars with kids in them just because Spidey got in his way.

Most of Spideys enemies like GG make up whole plans to kill him, and nothing else. Their ultimate goal seems to be to kill him, whereas for example The Joker makes up plans to kill the most amount of people because he thinks it's funny. To me it's as if Spider-Mans enemies, for example rob banks and kill people to get to him, whereas Batman's enemies kill people because they want to and really, really, REALLY like doing it.

I don't really read 616 Spider-Man, so I'm sorry if I assumed something that any Spider-Fan out there recognizes as complete BS, but I couldn't seem to out what I meant into better words than that

 

[Anubis]

It's sad really, GG has become a lot like the Monarch on Venture bros. He may have had plans a long time ago, for ruling the criminal underworld or something like that, but now the only time you see him is when he's trying to kill Spidey. As it is with others like Venom. Doc Ock has a method to his madness. But nothing on the scale of world domination or anything. The only two I can think of that are a real danger to any and all is Carnage and maybe the Lizard if he's on one of those turn people into lizards like him kicks. other than that, Spideys guys make up the ass end of the criminal underworld of the MU. Sure they're cool, fun characters, but within they're universe, they're a joke.

 

[The Joker]

Doc Ock has a method to his madness. But nothing on the scale of world domination or anything.

 

[XSpidercideX]

Green Goblin doesnt want to kill Spidey, he's much more interested in seeing him suffer. If Norman has a grudge against you, he wont hesitate to kill everyone and anyone you know just to make you suffer before he finally takes you down.

Even if you've not even done anything against him, he may toy with you just because he's bored. For example, he had a guard who was nice to him and asked him abuot his wife who was sick. Norman told him how to treat her in return for his kindness, but she got worse and went into a coma. Norman new it would happen but he was bored so he thought it would be fun.

 

[XSpidercideX]

Most of Spideys enemies like GG make up whole plans to kill him, and nothing else. Their ultimate goal seems to be to kill him, whereas for example The Joker makes up plans to kill the most amount of people because he thinks it's funny. To me it's as if Spider-Mans enemies, for example rob banks and kill people to get to him, whereas Batman's enemies kill people because they want to and really, really, REALLY like doing it.

I don't really read 616 Spider-Man, so I'm sorry if I assumed something that any Spider-Fan out there recognizes as complete BS, but I couldn't seem to out what I meant into better words than that

What other Bat villains go around trying to kill people bc its funny besides joker? Carnage does that too you know, hes not neccesarily after Spidey, he's a phsycotic serial killer with super powers.

Doc Ock is also rarely after Spidey, he's usually trying to take over the world, or is doing some elaberate plan to highten his ego.

There are also really powerful guys like Kingpin and The Black Turantula, who have much bigger things on their mind than Spidey.

 

[Super Mark]

There's a difference even between a serial killer (Carnage) and a mass murderer (Joker).

I think someone should start a second thread to clarify this one. It should say, "Who's rogues gallery is more danagerous in close combat?"
Or "who's have more super powers?"

This one is not that. This one? Who is "the most dangerous."
Different. Right?

 

[Gogo Bananas]

Yes, I'm convinced that that happened exactly as you describe.

No they weren't. Stop making ridiculous pronouncements and make just the smallest attempt to research your argument.

Well, golly. You sure told me. I'm sure these characters are defined by the last 3 years you've been reading them. Oh, no, wait. You've been reading comics for 50 years and you own an autographed copy of Detective 27, right.
Sure, Joker and Two Face were never reduced to being simple bank robbers. The 50's, 60's and 70's never happened, right?
Silly me.
As for me being attacked by a guy with a chainsaw, believe or disbelieve, makes no difference to me. You can also believe or disbelieve I spent time in a maximum security prison and no for a fact that just because a persons been diagnosed as a sociopath or psychopath it doesn't make them any scarier than someone with their head screwed on straight.
You're awesome, I feel so abashed.
Rock on.

 

[Shawkur]

There's a difference even between a serial killer (Carnage) and a mass murderer (Joker).

I think someone should start a second thread to clarify this one. It should say, "Who's rogues gallery is more danagerous in close combat?"
Or "who's have more super powers?"

This one is not that. This one? Who is "the most dangerous."
Different. Right?

By the same token, shouldnt this thread then be "the most dangerous rogues gallery to the general public?" By asking which hero "has the more dangerous rogues gallery" it was left completely up for interpretation that it was meant to mean more dangerous to the hero. In fact, if you look at the first post by the threadstarter that seems to be what he is getting at.

I would agree that Batman's rogues, generally, are more dangerous to society at large but I dont think he usually in more danger facing them than Spidey is facing his. Neither is usually the target but if they get in the way both sets of villains will try as much to kill them as get away. When they are targeted by their villains they are in equal peril, imo.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

I don't agree that they are in equal peril. Most of Spidermans foes are more powerful than he is. The reverse is true of Batman. Batman is stronger and better equiped than virtually any of his usual foes.

 

[The Caped Knight]

WHO HAS THE MOST DANGEROUS ROGUE'S GALLERY? SPIDEY OR BATS?

Both

 

[The Overlord]

Most of Spideys enemies like GG make up whole plans to kill him, and nothing else. Their ultimate goal seems to be to kill him, whereas for example The Joker makes up plans to kill the most amount of people because he thinks it's funny. To me it's as if Spider-Mans enemies, for example rob banks and kill people to get to him, whereas Batman's enemies kill people because they want to and really, really, REALLY like doing it.

I don't really read 616 Spider-Man, so I'm sorry if I assumed something that any Spider-Fan out there recognizes as complete BS, but I couldn't seem to out what I meant into better words than that

Not always the case, Dr. Octopus has tried to kill a large amount of people in NYC twice, usually for somewhat insane reasons. Once he called the mayor said he has going to kill 5 million people just to prove he was serious and then make ransome demands so he wouldn't kill another 5 million people. Another time he planned to blow up NYC with a nuclear bomb just to prove he how dangerous he was to everyone. Ock isn't nearly as insane or evil as the Joker, but he has proven himself willing to engage in pointless mass murder, if he is in nasty mood.

 

[gildea]

People seem to be over exagerating the crazy of bats villains.

Sure the joker is fried but everyone else is comparatively sensible.

 

[Johnny Blaze]

All these people saying "Spidey's villains win because they have powers" are grating on me. Batman and Nightwing, without much more than what they had on them at the time, took out AMAZO. An AMAZO with the powers of the Justice League.

The Amazo didn't have all the JLA's powers (no power ring or Martian Manhunter for instance).
Not to mention, all in all, that fight was pretty ******ed.

 

[LibrarianThorne]

The Amazo didn't have all the JLA's powers (no power ring or Martian Manhunter for instance).
Not to mention, all in all, that fight was pretty ******ed.

Not disputing the ******ation of the fight, but at the least AMAZO had the powers of the Flash and Superman (and I think Wonder Woman, though it has been a while since I read that issue). Batman and Nightwing still took him down, and if they can do that, Spiudey's villains really aren't much of a concern.

If all else fails, Batman is only 50% of the World's Finest. If these guys get too much for even him to handle, I'm certain a Big Blue Boyscout could come in and save the day.

 

[regwec]

The 50's, 60's and 70's never happened, right?
Silly me.

Excuse the conventionality of my arithmatic, but neither the 50's, the 60's or the 70's were "twenty years ago".

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

All these people saying "Spidey's villains win because they have powers" are grating on me. Batman and Nightwing, without much more than what they had on them at the time, took out AMAZO. An AMAZO with the powers of the Justice League. Not to mention how many times Batman has squared off against Superman, who could kick the crap out of Spidey's rogues with his eyes closed, and won (or at least tied).

Not to mention that it was a super stripped down AMAZO that was taken down with an explosive Batarang. So not much in the durability department. (Which was kind of dumb, since that AMAZO had Flash speed. So I guess he didn't have too much in the brains department either) And a missle launcher was kind of used in that fight.

And if you could find me an example of when Batman and Superman fought where Batman basically didn't have to use Kryptonite to basically turn Superman's power level to a human of his size and physique, and then continue to plummel him with the highly poisonous rock, then that actually counts as a feat of some sort. Because Spider-Man has used weaknesses against his villans before. Sure, Superman can beat Spidey's villans pretty easily for the most part, but not if he's heavily affected by Kryptonite.

So yeah, powers count here if we're talking in personal danger of some sort.

On the other hand, I really don't think Spidey would have an inkling about what to do against Batman's most dangerous bad guys. Ra's and the Joker, for instance, leave Batman clues that basically only he can find and figure out their meaning. Spidey, much as I love the guy, isn't too great on detective work and I simply don't think he could put a stop to Batman's rogues before they did something truly horriffic.

Ra's and Joker tracking? Depends. If Joker is nearby, then Spidey's spider sense has done weirder things than track down a nearby danger. He can usually sense when people have guns, and Joker usually packs one. Not to say that's the cat in the bag. Sometimes his Spider sense is pretty crappy, and doesn't tell him something until it's basically entering his rectum.

Spider's detective work isn't exactly crap either. Sure, not Batman level (which is where Ra's easily outdo's Spider-Man there), but he's done plenty of that too.


Are Spider-Man's villan's crazier? (Dunno, Carnage is pretty f'ed up to the point that he only goes for the beastial kill, where Joker has at least enough patience and thought to actually formulate a plan and run a gang) Probably not for the most part. Batman's villans are mentally handicapped in the worst way. And sure, that makes them unpredictable and dangerous. But that doesn't mean that Spidey's villans are somehow now school girls lickling lollipops.

 

[gildea]

Originally Posted by LibrarianThorne
On the other hand, I really don't think Spidey would have an inkling about what to do against Batman's most dangerous bad guys. Ra's and the Joker, for instance, leave Batman clues that basically only he can find and figure out their meaning. Spidey, much as I love the guy, isn't too great on detective work and I simply don't think he could put a stop to Batman's rogues before they did something truly horriffic.

Bats hasn't exactly stopped his villains from doing much truly horrific at times. Can't really think of a time Joker has left a clue only bats would get either come to think.

 

[Super Mark]

As for what writers and creators do, let's not forget: They create villains for Spidey who would be a challenge to Spidey. And villains for Batman that would create a challenge for Batman. Or, maybe, I should change "be a challenge to" to "create an interesting story with..."