The Flash Who is the Man in the Iron Mask?

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I thought we could have a thread dedicated to discussing this particular topic with most of the theories contained in here rather than spread all over separate threads.

I need to repost some of my thoughts in here later when I find them.

In the meantime, speculate away!
 
I'm going to make an educated guess and say that he's not Leonardo DiCaprio
 
I'll repeat what I said in another thread here:

I think the Man in the Iron Mask has to be the real version of someone, or definitely a duplicate of someone, and most likely Jay. I don't think it's a coincidence that he's in an iron mask. It is probably used to recall the French historical legend and also the Alexander Dumas story, which plays upon the idea that the prisoner is the twin of King Louis XIV.

But I hope they won't wait until the very end of the season to reveal his identity. He needs to be shown, and then somehow escape, perhaps with the help of Barry, and assume his rightful place as the true version of whoever he is (probably Jay) and be instrumental in helping take down Zoom.

The rest of the season could very well borrow elements from The Man in the Iron Mask story.
 
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Is Jay bad news?




Is "Flash's" Man in the Iron Mask Harboring a Dark Secret About Jay Garrick?
"Escape from Earth-2" presented whole new set of characters to theorize about, including the mysterious masked man imprisoned by Zoom.

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SPOILER WARNING: The following contains major spoilers for this week's episode of "The Flash," "Escape from Earth-2."

The arrival of Earth-2's Jay Garrick (Teddy Sears) in the final moments of the second season's premiere added a new wrinkle to "The Flash." His arrival introduced a seasoned speedster to the show, one who knew more about the Speed Force and how to harness it than Barry Allen. Though the team was initially leery of his motivations, he earned their trust -- and a little more than just trust from Cailtin Snow -- but after the events of this week's episode, "Escape From Earth-2," it appears that Jay may have been lying to Team Flash all along.


The previous episode saw Barry and Cisco head to Earth-2 with Harrison Wells in order to rescue Wells' daughter, Jesse Quick, from Zoom's clutches. Last episode, the three were successful in their quest and returned to Earth-1 with Jesse. However, the victory proved short-lived as Jay Garrick presumably met an untimely demise when Zoom's clawed hand shot through the portal -- and through Jay's chest -- pulling him back to Earth-2 just as the breach closed. While we'll have to wait until next week to see if Jay somehow managed to survive, what happened earlier in the episode might be even more important than what happened at the climax.


RELATED: Place Your Bets: Who is Zoom, "The Flash's" Terrifying New Nemesis?


While attempting to save Jesse, Earth-1's Barry Allen was taken captive by Zoom and imprisoned alongside her and a mysterious man in an iron mask. Unable to speak, the masked man could only tap on his glass prison. Barry eventually realized he was spelling something out using a 5x5 tap code: J-A-Y. Barry assumed he was asking about Jay Garrick, but the man appeared upset when he learned Jay was safe on Earth-1. The curious reaction poses a potentially game-changing question: Is it possible the man in the mask is the real Earth-2 Jay Garrick, and that the person helping Team Flash has been an impostor all along?


Below, we present several theories based on the assumption that the man in the iron mask is some version of Jay Garrick. For the sake of our argument, we're starting from the stance that the Jay who first arrived on Earth-1 is harboring some kind of dark secret beyond losing access to the Speed Force.





Question #1: Who is the Man in the Iron Mask?
The man in the iron mask tapped out three letters: J-A-Y. While Barry thought the masked man was asking if Jay was OK, when he explained that he was safe back on Earth-1 the man in the mask became distraught, frantically shaking his head back and forth. Why would Jay being safe be a bad thing? The most logical theory is that the man in the mask is the real Jay Garrick from Earth-2. He could be upset because the man claiming to be Jay on Earth-1 is an impostor. If that's true, the real Jay might still have his speed, and Zoom is holding him hostage until he's able to devise a way to steal it.


Question #2: Who is Jay Garrick?
When Jay Garrick arrived on Earth-1, he had no speed and no trace of the Speed Force in his cells, but he knew everything there was to know about Team Flash and eventually taught Barry a new way to use his powers. All of these signals were initially red flags for Barry not to trust him. If this Jay is an impostor, his true identity could be one of the following characters from "Flash" comic lore:

  • Earth-2 Edward Clariss/The Rival
  • Earth-2 Hunter Zolomon
  • Earth-2 Everyman
  • Earth-3 Jay Garrick


Earth-2 Edward Clariss/The Rival
In the comics, Earth-2 Edward Clariss was a scientist who became obsessed with Jay Garrick's The Flash. Clariss was so desperate to become a speedster, he created a speed serum called Velocity 9. Its effects were temporary, but they gave Clariss the speed he so desperately desired, and he used his new powers to become a villain who went by the name "The Rival." Though there are some differences, this follows the track Jay Garrick has been on since he arrived on Earth-1: He arrived with no speed, he was an expert in The Flash's abilities, and he convinced Caitlin to create a stable version of Velocity 6, which she named Velocity 9, which is too great acoincidence not to mention. Soon after Velocity 9 was complete and injected into Jay's system, he was conveniently pulled back to Earth-2. Because Zoom abducted him, the illusion was complete and everyone would think Jay died a hero.


Earth-2 Hunter Zolomon
When Jay wanted to show Caitlin his Earth-1 double, he showed her a man named Hunter Zolomon. Asked why he wasn't named Jay Garrick, Jay explained that Zolomon was adopted on this Earth and thus had a different name. In the comics, Zolomon was friends with the Wally West version of The Flash, though they eventually became bitter enemies and Zolomon took on the name Zoom. After the events of last episode, it stands to reason that Earth-2 Jay's real name may very well be Hunter Zolomon/Zoom, and we simply haven't met Jay Garrick yet. Could Zoom be Earth-2's Garrick, and the man in the mask be the real Earth-1 Garrick?


Earth-2 Everyman
The metahuman named "Everyman" appeared on Earth-1 in "The Flash" Season 1, Episode 19. He could morph into anyone he wanted to be just by touching their skin. Earth-1's Hannibal Bates/Everyman was killed by Joe West, but that doesn't mean he's not alive and morphing on Earth-2. What if Zoom used Everyman to travel to Earth-1 to pretend to be Jay Garrick so Team Flash could create Velocity 9? If Zoom was also suffering from the effects of Velocity 6, he would want to use Velocity 9 to boost his speed without any damaging effects. This theory was previously posited by Jason Inman on The Flash Podcast this week, and seems to hold some weight.


Earth-3 Jay Garrick
If the man under the mask is Earth-2 Jay Garrick, and Earth-1 Jay Garrick is actually the man who goes by the adoptive name of Hunter Zolomon, could the impostor actually be Earth-3's Jay Garrick? When Barry, Cisco and Wells entered the portal they saw characters and heroes from other earths -- including Supergirl. What if there exists a third Jay who is an evil incarnation Jay Garrick from from Earth-3? In the comics, Earth-3 was created in the wake of "Infinite Crisis" and is the home of the Crime Society, the evil version of the Justice Society. That means the impostor could be Johnny Quick, the villainous speedster from that Earth.
"The Flash" airs Tuesdays at 8 p.m. on The CW and stars Grant Gustin, Jesse L. Martin, CandicePatton, Carlos Valdes, Tom Cavanagh and Danielle Panabaker.


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I'll repeat what I said in another thread here:

I think the Man in the Iron Mask has to be the real version of someone, or definitely a duplicate of someone, and most likely Jay. I don't think it's a coincidence that he's in an iron mask. It is probably used to recall the French historical legend and also the Alexander Dumas story, which plays upon the idea that the prisoner is the twin of King Louis XIV.

But I hope they won't wait until the very end of the season to reveal his identity. He needs to be shown, and then somehow escape, perhaps with the help of Barry, and assume his rightful place as the true version of whoever he is (probably Jay) and be instrumental in helping take down Zoom.

The rest of the season could very well borrow elements from The Man in the Iron Mask story.

The assumption is Jay, but I missed the allusion to the classic story, so I'm glad you pointed it out. I hope they don't take too long in the reveal, mostly because it's already the number one internet theory so they might as well not waste people's time with teases.
 
It really wouldn't make much sense for the man in the iron mask to be upset when hearing that Jay is safe on earth 1 if he is Wally or Henry behind there, or even Eddie. And why tap JAY as the first thing?
 
It really wouldn't make much sense for the man in the iron mask to be upset when hearing that Jay is safe on earth 1 if he is Wally or Henry behind there, or even Eddie. And why tap JAY as the first thing?
He may have been ether been trying to tell them his name or say Jay was an impostor. We'll find out if and when barry returns there
 
Even if Jay isn't Zoom, I don't think the Jay we've been seeing interacting with team Flash is the real Jay. It seems the most natural interpretation of the masked man's actions of being upset and looking defeated when Barry told him Jay was safe.
 
Even if Jay isn't Zoom, I don't think the Jay we've been seeing interacting with team Flash is the real Jay. It seems the most natural interpretation of the masked man's actions of being upset and looking defeated when Barry told him Jay was safe.
well I don't suspect he's( fake Jay) zoom. I said fake Jay is an accomplice which is a partner and some one else. I doubt zoom would trust another crooked version of him self ether. that one is likely to betray him, if he spot's a weakness in zoom.


And I'm just hoping who ever it is that's the fake jay just took real jays looks in his partnership with zoom and zoom isn't zolomon(zolomon doesn't look like Jay at all) or a doppelganger of Jay.

I don't see it being henry from earth 2 it'll just be weird cause the motive won't make sense and it put earth version of his in weird place and you have to wonder if she's in on it? what will the motive be beyond midlife crisis for them both. lol and why raise a son Earth 2 barry who's a CSI to be a decent man and then turn psychotic?



The actor that played Eddie was really busy in the hit abc show quntico ,which is filmed in Montreal and though his character supposedly died in that show most recently that show is really heavy handed with the flash backs with is mystery there.

So they still might be using the actor that played Eddie in that show. it's possible he might show up. but it'll be weird.
 
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It really wouldn't make much sense for the man in the iron mask to be upset when hearing that Jay is safe on earth 1 if he is Wally or Henry behind there, or even Eddie. And why tap JAY as the first thing?
If he is the real Jay and the Jay we've been seeing the whole time is fake, then why would the man in the iron mask being telling Barry his name is Jay, when he's never met Barry before?

God bless you! God bless everyone!
 
I'm pretty conviced that the guy in the mask is the real Jay, and fake Jay is actually The Rival. Or its Earth 1 Jay somehow.
 
I don't buy the idea that Zoom is Jay (for reasons I've already stated), but the notion that the "man in the mask" is * A * version of Jay from somewhere else is intriguing.
 
I would say its 90% certain the guy in the mask is the real(?) Jay Garrick. The bigger mystery is "So who is the guy we've been paling around with?"
 
Doing the "fake Jay" thing is a rehash of Season 1 Just as much as making Jay be Zoom is, so "no thank you".
 
Given his connection to Jay, I think he should henceforth be known as "Silent Bob" until proven otherwise.
 
Is there any reason he couldn't have used Morse code instead of this old WWII code?

And couldn't he have pointed to himself to say he was Jay (if he is) instead of banging on the glass and crumbling in defeat? Maybe he's not a very good communicator.

In order for them to get that he was trying to communicate a message in the first place, shouldn't he have tried to attract their attention? Maybe give a wave to make them look his way and then begin tapping something?
 
Is there any reason he couldn't have used Morse code instead of this old WWII code?

This is easier to figure out than Morse Code. Morse Code requires memorizing an entire alphabet of combinations. If you haven't done that in advance of getting captured, you're SOL.
 
I thought initially the Man in the Iron Mask was either E-2 Eddie or E-2 Wally, but seeing his reaction to Jay, it's entirely possible he's the real Jay and the one Caitlin and co. have been working with is a fake. I don't see how fake!Jay could be Zoom, though, because they're clearly on two different worlds at the same time, so at best, fake!Jay is an accomplice of Zoom. I like the idea of him being The Rival, maybe.
 
I really like the idea of it being Eddie. This would make it easier to accept the continued existence of RF on Earth 1 (Eddie was drawn into the singularity and revived on Earth 2 by Zoom, making his way back to Earth 1 sometime in the future).
 
Eddie never met Jay Garrick and would have no reason to even mention him though. It just doesn't fit with anything else having it be Eddie.
 
What if the guy in the mask is the real Jay, and the current Jay is actually Everyman from Earth 2? Zoom sent Earth 2 Everyman to Earth 1 to get close to Team Flash in hopes of getting velocity injections so that Zoom can take it for himself and become faster.
 
What if the guy in the mask is the real Jay, and the current Jay is actually Everyman from Earth 2? Zoom sent Earth 2 Everyman to Earth 1 to get close to Team Flash in hopes of getting velocity injections so that Zoom can take it for himself and become faster.
this was posed by CBR but there's the addition to velocity 6 and fake jay's knowledge of it and shown of use of in his cell so it's looking like it's Jay's arch enemy the Rival .

Again the only ones that knows the true details of velocity 6 -9 are the Rival and the quick family Jessie's dad johnny. and now that Jessie is earth dr.well's kid and they said he didn't invent it only recently tried to attempt to recreate it and Caitlin took over......
 

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