The Flash Who is the Man in the Iron Mask?

[zenith16]

Still on the Masked man is Eddie.

Why did Zoom bring Jay's body back and why does this "complicate" things are my questions. Both make it seem like Zoom didn't know who he had killed when reaching through the breach.

hmmm well if Fake Jay was Zoom's accomplice/ partner and he brought him back and accidentally killed him. I could see why it would complected things for zoom.


But if it was just someone that took jay's looks and was working his own angle and Zoom him self wasn't aware til now, it would another issue as well.


The only one that seem's weirdly some what aware is the man in the iron mask and may be he can explain it all, once he's saved by Barry.


and he'll be the only one with answers sadly. I doubt there's any other way.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

That's thin for me but I can't say there isn't some sense there Bren. On the other hand that line feels like it's a bit personal to me.

 

[Bren]

This is all assuming the man in the mask
a) is actually Real Jay
b) looks like the 'Jays' we've seen

This makes me think of the one Modern Family episode where Gloria is likened to a parrot, and goes "JAY... JAY....JAY!!!"

 

[DigificWriter]

Can people please stop with this "Fake Jay" business? It's ridiculous and completely out of step with the facts as they exist.

IF the MitM is a Jay Garrick, he's a Jay Garrick from somewhere other than Earth-2 (as is Zoom!Jay).

 

[Justin]

Both 'Jay Garricks' are Hunter Zolomon from E1 and E2. The man in the iron mask is a new character - Jay Garrick. We haven't actually seen him yet.

 

[Bren]

Can people please stop with this "Fake Jay" business? It's ridiculous and completely out of step with the facts as they exist.

You 'admit' you were wrong about Zoom being from E2 (even though there's no actual confirmation he's not) but now, yet again you're 100% right and everyone must 'stop their nonsense'?

I've considered the 'E2 Jay Garrick' to be the hero we know from the comics. And I don't believe they've just killed that character.

 

[Superhero 101]

I was reading on Wikipedia that Jay had a evil Clone maybe the man in the mask is the real Jay and Zoom and the Jay that died were his Clones.

 

[Grommers]

I'm actually surprised how many people are coming these elaborate "ideas" and think that is a venue for the CW.

If this isn't a simple "MITIM" story line, I'll actually be surprised.

It's easy to do a television show, it's shocking all the same, theirs logic behind it, and it doesn't hurt the credibility of Jay Garrick that we've seen so far.




E1 - Jay Garrick is the MITIM
E2 - Jay Garrick is the flash
E1 - Hunter Zolomon is the adopted son.
E2 - Hunter Zolomon is the zoom, who despises the flash.

Their's no way the writers put on an ironmask without taking influence from the iconic story..the man in the iron mask. I doubt they do the whole face change thing again like they did with Eobard Thawne.

I do think Jay Garrick from e2 is dead, and that he was just killed, this will let E1 Jay Garrick to eventually realize that he can be like his E2 Jay and become a hero. Therefore allowing him to appear in future episodes, and still keep the legacy known as the flash alive.

 

[Da-Scribe]

How is Teddy Sears playing four different characters from two different worlds simple?

 

[Silliminite]

How is Teddy Sears playing four different characters from two different worlds simple?

Yeah.

Zoom pulls off his mask....TEDDY SEARS! The man in the iron mask is unmasked....TEDDY SEARS! Cisco waits until Star Labs is deserted, then in dramatic fashion tears off his skin......TEDDY SEARS!

 

[WeatherWizard99]

I really thought it is the real jay garrick...

but it can also be eddie...

the way the camera focused on his body going throught the breach in the season 1 finale indicates that the writers still have plans for him... AND it was already established that zoom knows a lot about barry's life in the episode where dr light appears... eddie could be the source of that information...

and I am pretty sure eddie is malcolm thawne from the comics... so that means that he must return somehow for the twin brother storyline to happen...

the reasons why I think eddie is cobalt blue ? I can give you three

reason 1:
- eobard is his descendent (like the way he is cobalt blue's in the comics

reason 2:
- a little related to reason 1... they both share the name thawne

reason 3:
- cobalt blue hated barry for stealing his perfect life... barry is stealing iris, the love of his life, from him

 

[Da-Scribe]

Yeah.

Zoom pulls off his mask....TEDDY SEARS! The man in the iron mask is unmasked....TEDDY SEARS! Cisco waits until Star Labs is deserted, then in dramatic fashion tears off his skin......TEDDY SEARS!

"Well...this is a complication." *Sears smiles coyly and cue laugh track*

 

[Silliminite]

"Well...this is a complication." *Sears smiles coyly and cue laugh track*

 

[Justin]

E1 - Jay Garrick is the MITIM
E2 - Jay Garrick is the flash
E1 - Hunter Zolomon is the adopted son.
E2 - Hunter Zolomon is the zoom, who despises the flash.

Their's no way the writers put on an ironmask without taking influence from the iconic story..the man in the iron mask. I doubt they do the whole face change thing again like they did with Eobard Thawne.

Would be a good theory except for the fact that we know E2 Jay Garrick, E1 Hunter Zolomon and E2 Zoom have the exact same face. So it rules out the simple doppleganger stuff.

So are they twins? If so why did Jay, who is good in your theory, tell Caitlin that Hunter was adopted, and that he was surprised by this, not making any mention of his own twin brother. It just doesn't work. For your theory to work, either they have to a) be twins or b) E2 Jay Garrick is a liar.

I think it's more complicated. Zoom could be a future version or something is my guess.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Anyone who has watched Doctor Who has seen something like this.

They are all the same Jay Garrick from different points in his timeline. That's why Zoom has been so passive in getting Flash. He wants his speed to stop from becoming the Man in the Iron Mask.

I'm betting the MITIM is old and feeble from his Velocity serum and Zoom is a way to get real speed.

 

[Reversezoom]

It is very obvious that we are doing with two pairs of twins.

 

[Dark Raven]

I mentioned this in the other thread for this week's episode but it's equally relevant here.

a) The film "The Man In the Iron Mask" is based on the third part of a classic "Three Musketeers" novel by Alexander Dumas.

b) The novel is based on a historical mystery about an actual prisoner kept in a mask with many speculating as to his identity. Dumas's novel about the prisoner being the twin brother of King Louis XIV is only ONE theory as to his identity.

This means, if the Flash is using the actual historical mystery as their basis, he doesn't have to be a twin at all but someone entirely separate who looks completely different to the villain. So he doesn't even have to be played by Teddy Sears.

 

[zenith16]

You 'admit' you were wrong about Zoom being from E2 (even though there's no actual confirmation he's not) but now, yet again you're 100% right and everyone must 'stop their nonsense'?

oh yeah I remember DigificWriter did mention that zoom was a native to earth 2 alot in alot of the thread's.

While he was stating what (Fake )Jay told Caitlin and Earth 2 dr.well's was telling another person in the show this as well. I my self do remember telling another poster that what they told is what they know of but that doesn't mean he's from earth 2 for sure. it's just mean he showed up one day attacking people and the cops that were murdered by him named him zoom befor the all died. they don't know absolutely for for sure.


anyway Digi fic did say he admits he was wrong. with that. and I never and do dumping on people .

I'll do the same (admit I'm wrong) if the man in the iron mask turn's out to be not the Jay from earth 2 .
but if he is the Jay from earth 2 and the one that's supposedly dead (still not sure on that , so I'll wait il the show back on earth 2) was posing as him .

but I'm staying to "Fake Jay" (I'm speaking for my self alone.) in the mean time. Sorry DigiFicWriter as I said the Jay that was hanging at star Labs is suspect to me , and what show runner Andrew Kreisberg said with that Jay misleading them part on E! and other place's all about that Jay that hung out at Star Labs misleading them Reinforced it.


I won't stop saying he's fake Jay til the man in the iron mask clear things. and if one in iron mask is from earth 2 then that other doppel gang or is a fake in some way. he may be a Jay, but he may not be a earth 2 Jay and that will be what also be fake about him.

I've considered the 'E2 Jay Garrick' to be the hero we know from the comics. And I don't believe they've just killed that character.

we'll see what happens when Barry rescue the man in the iron mask I guess . it could go ether way on if the (fake )Jay that hanged with the star Labs team is still alive or not.

 

[Golgo-13]

I too believe the masked man is Eddie. If you look back at the previous ep, they deliberately showed the msked man's blonde hair. Maybe when Eddie was pulled through the hole at the end of last season, he survived by way of Earth 2's advanced medical technology, had been living there a while, formed a relationship with Jay (hence why he's asking for him) and Zoom went after him because of it.

 

[Brian Braddock]

^^^That's about as solid a theory as I've read on here. Don't see why not.

 

[Dark Raven]

Why did Zoom feel comfortable to take off his mask in front of the Man in the Iron Mask? He never took it off in front of either Barry or Jesse. Is it because the masked man is actually another Jay, and so it wouldn't matter to him? If it were Eddie under the mask, then why is Zoom okay with revealing himself in front of him?

Maybe Zoom is trying to find a version of himself from multiple earths from whom he can also repair his DNA with tissue regeneration.

 

[Bren]

Maybe the MITM already knew who Zoom was and that's why it doesn't matter.

I really hope they didn't kill off the genuine Jay....

 

[Grommers]

Would be a good theory except for the fact that we know E2 Jay Garrick, E1 Hunter Zolomon and E2 Zoom have the exact same face. So it rules out the simple doppleganger stuff.

So are they twins? If so why did Jay, who is good in your theory, tell Caitlin that Hunter was adopted, and that he was surprised by this, not making any mention of his own twin brother. It just doesn't work. For your theory to work, either they have to a) be twins or b) E2 Jay Garrick is a liar.

I think it's more complicated. Zoom could be a future version or something is my guess.

See, CW isn't known for complicating these stories, and if Hunter Zolomon on E1 is adopted..why can't E2 Hunter Zolomon also be adopted, Jay may just genuinely not know he has a brother.

 

[superboy13]

See, CW isn't known for complicating these stories, and if Hunter Zolomon on E1 is adopted..why can't E2 Hunter Zolomon also be adopted, Jay may just genuinely not know he has a brother.

Then where is E-1 Jay Garrick? Dead-Jay couldn't find him and that ultimately led him to Zolomon.

 

[Grommers]

The man in the iron man is E1 Jay Garrick. This way Jay Garrick from E2 would never know he had a twin brother zoom kidnapped him.