The Flash Who is the Man in the Iron Mask?

[hopeless]

We still don't know if Jay was empowered by the same event as Barry?

What if Jay was empowered earlier than the particle accelerator event in Earth 1 thus explaining why the Rival had time to develop Velocity 6 but the accelerator had the unexpected event of adding an extra unknown body with the accident involving an attempt to identify the exact means Jay gained his powers but empowered all the others and reanimated someone whose identity remains unknown as Wells has yet to realise Zoom originates from another Earth?

The real question is shouldn't Wells have already realised this crucial detail?

There must be a reason why Jay whoever he is believes Wells was responsible for creating Zoom?

Maybe if he is the Rival he witnessed Jay's capture and has been posing as him trying to get help that won't be forthcoming from Wells who looked like he was behaving like Jay's version of Lex Luthor?

 

[Spidey220987]

Originally, I thought that Zoom's identity HAS to be that of Henry Allen (I still hold on to that theory a little) because it would make for a good juxtaposition - Henry freed of killing Nora, but his Earth 2 counterpart is on a murder spree.

HOWEVER, I have to take into account and acknowledge that The Flash has translated its villains from the comic quite well, even sticking to their civilian names/identities from the source material. Hunter Zolomon on Earth 1 seems like a normal guy and is apparently Jay's doppelganger. Somehow though, I'm starting to think Jay isn't all he seems.

I mean he said Zoom stole his speed, that's been his story all season, but then suddenly he "confesses" that he experimented with Velocity 6 previously and that caused him to lose his speed. He now has the working Velocity 9. I knew straight away that after Barry, Cisco & Wells returned from Earth 2, just by where he was standing, I knew Jay would get stabbed by Zoom and pulled back into the breach.

Anyway, if we re-tread season 1, Reverse Flash's true identity was a mystery until he confirmed he was, in fact, Eobard Thawne - sticking to the source material. This is why I think, apart from it being a potential red herring, the revelation of Hunter Zolomon is no mere coincidence. Hunter Zolomon of Earth 2 is Zoom.

Long story short, I think the creators/showrunners are finally giving us fan service, we just don't know it yet. What I mean is that the man in the iron mask is the real Jay Garrick, but he won't be Teddy Sears - he'll be John Wesley Shipp as "Geezer Flash."

 

[mr. peasant]

I really hope the Jay we've seen until now isn't Earth-2 Everyman, or the Rival, etc. It would come off as pretty random and out of nowhere; lacking build-up/foreshadowing/etc, and feel like bad writing.

 

[Lencho01]

Who's under the mask? Obviously...

Spoiler

 

[Pokkle]

I saw this picture, about a little thing they didn't hide:
SPOILER:

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[Avenging Angel]

Signs point to the real E2 Jay. I thought this from the beginning and still do.

 

[jrmtz543]

Seems like it's the "real" Jay, though I can't help but feel that would be a clear rehash of season 1

 

[WeatherWizard99]

I mean he said Zoom stole his speed, that's been his story all season, but then suddenly he "confesses" that he experimented with Velocity 6 previously and that caused him to lose his speed. He now has the working Velocity 9. I knew straight away that after Barry, Cisco & Wells returned from Earth 2, just by where he was standing, I knew Jay would get stabbed by Zoom and pulled back into the breach.

that gives me an idea...

what if "Jay" IS working with zoom and this was is plan to get his hands on the finished version of the velocity serum to make zoom even faster ?

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personally, my theory is...

the masked prisioner IS the real jay garrick...
and zoom is earth-2 hunter zolomon, Jay being is twin brother...

no idea who the Jay we knew until now is, throught...
maybe edward clariss ?!
maybe its edward clariss in the same role as earth-1 eobard... stealing Jay's identity
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its does line up with my theory...
"Jay" is edward clariss, in cahoots with zoom

 

[zenith16]

that gives me an idea...

what if "Jay" IS working with zoom and this was is plan to get his hands on the finished version of the velocity serum to make zoom even faster ?

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personally, my theory is...

the masked prisioner IS the real jay garrick...
and zoom is earth-2 hunter zolomon, Jay being is twin brother...

no idea who the Jay we knew until now is, throught...
maybe edward clariss ?!
maybe its edward clariss in the same role as earth-1 eobard... stealing Jay's identity
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its does line up with my theory...
"Jay" is edward clariss, in cahoots with zoom

I said that already with fake jay possibly being Clariss, Jay's arch enemy, I said he's an accomplice to zoom and there are two villains at play here and in a partnership. I beat you to this age's ago.

 

[superboy13]

I said that already with fake jay possibly being Clariss, Jay's arch enemy, I said he's an accomplice to zoom and there are two villains at play here and in a partnership. I beat you to this age's ago.

Dude, give it a rest. We're more than halfway through the season and Edward Clariss hasn't even come up. They're not gonna pull a new character out of nowhere.

 

[zenith16]

Dude, give it a rest. We're more than halfway through the season and Edward Clariss hasn't even come up. They're not gonna pull a new character out of nowhere.

ok it seem's you took that last post more seriously then it should have been even thought it was in jest. but it might have been how I said it. I'm gonna clarify some things here.


Thing is I mentioned as a point of interest wasn't just clariss ,it was the fact that there were two villain's in a partnership and used the word accomplice . Zoom and fake jay that was what I was addressing with that post you quote. more so then the name Clarris


clariss is just what's linked to "fake Jay"cause of what was stated in something I put up in ina number of threads cause there are 3 threads discussiong fake jay cause he's the one with the most clues.


All of which the web is a buzz cause most of clues so far about fake Jay are from Clarriss story line. all dealing with the serum velocity 6to 9 .

I said in this quote in another thread after spider ville said this after I put up the detail's from CBR as a possible person(character) of interest

post: #589

page: 24 << of the General disccusion thread

Has the name "Edward Clariss" come up yet?

not yet it's a theory put up by CBR and newssara and a few others cause he is connected to the serum velocity 9 in the books like Jessy quick's father johnny quick.(though in the show earth 2 wells is her dad) They are the two people/ characters directly involved in the serums creation.

but that character is a main foe of jay Garrick. just as professor zoom as to barry and Zoom after him is to wally. it's just theory for now cause jay was in earth 1 while zoom in the show was earth 2 give barry Cisco and earth 2 dr.wells trouble at the very same time.

it would make sense that someone is posing as jay while zoom is doing other things and there's an accomplice thus two villains partnered up.

yes the bottom quote to spider ville is from me.
so I'm more aware about this then you think.

also as to what you said here.

They're not gonna pull a new character out of nowhere.

seeing that Rf posing as Dr.well's didn't refer to him self as Eobard thawne til cisco looked in on how revers flash escaped the capture cell device,that cisco him self created and eobard after revealing him self phased crushed cisco's heart after saying "cisco was like as son to him" and that was mid season event, it kinda conflict with this statement. any way the name has yet to show up and the likely hood of Edward clariss may or may not show.

the point is that a good lot of the clues are from Edward clariss story line clue wise about fake Jay Garrick . that's all that was said really. while I did make connections the point I was addressing really is there are two villains this season . and I did it in jest last cause some else was trying to he came up with this when from the just of escape from earth 2 I was always pushing there are two villain and literally said that prior.

I jokingly said I beat you to it. and it's not something weather wizard the p[oster came up with that so original a concept. that's all.

 

[superboy13]

seeing that Rf posing as Dr.well's didn't refereed to him self as Eobard thawne til cisco looked in on how revers flash escape the capture cell device cisco him self created and eobard after revealing him self phased crushed cisco's heart after saying cisco was like as son to him and that was mid season event, it kinda conflict with this stament.

But they teased at it from the very first day with Eddie Thawne.

 

[zenith16]

But they teased at it from the very first day with Eddie Thawne.

but the only one that got that were the people that sorta knew the history of revers flash and still it was still mid season. Even with eddie. ether way it was still later. The velocity serum's n6to 9 is a tease for Clariss. like how being related to eddie was for eobard.

I also remember some posters thinking Eddie would be come Reverse flash(weirdly) even though fake Dr. wells was being shifty he came to eddie and Cisco . so...

any ways I hope I made some thing's clea.r I'm very aware clariss name has yet to be dropped . For now it's still a theory, but clue wise alot of stuff from his history is inthe show clue wise as second villain / partner that has been messing with the star labs team. so all I stated is that there are two villans and that that was my point of address . the name still has yet to be said

 

[superboy13]

but the only one that got that were the people that sorta knew the history of revers flash and still it was still mid season.

What? Eddie Thawne was there from day one.

Even with eddie. ether way it was still later. The velocity serum's n6to 9 is a tease for Clariss. like how being related to eddie was for eobard.

But, as far as they've shown us, it's just a nod to the comics. It's been 16 episodes and the words "Edward Clariss" never came up. They won't.

I also remember some posters thinking Eddie would be come Reverse flash(weirdly) even though fake Dr. wells was being shifty he came to eddie and Cisco . so...

So?

any ways I hope I made some thing's clea.r I'm very aware clariss name has yet to be dropped . For now it's still a theory, but clue wise alot of stuff from his history is inthe show clue wise as second villain / partner that has been messing with the star labs team. so all I stated is that there are two villans and that that was my point of address . the name still has yet to be said

It's not gonna be him. Think of all the new players they dropped on us this season: Jay Garrick, Zoom, Hunter Zolomon, Jesse Wells, Wells-2, Wally West and every possible doppleganger there could be... do you think they'd muddle this any further by introducing yet another character with less than 10 episodes to go? No way.

 

[WeatherWizard99]

I said that already with fake jay possibly being Clariss, Jay's arch enemy, I said he's an accomplice to zoom and there are two villains at play here and in a partnership. I beat you to this age's ago.

good for you
I didn't tell my theory to show I was the first to have it, anyway...
the only reason I posted it in the first place was to relate it with the other, more important, part of the post

what if "Jay" IS working with zoom and this was is plan to get his hands on the finished version of the velocity serum to make zoom even faster ?

which as far as I know no one posted yet

 

[WeatherWizard99]

Dude, give it a rest. We're more than halfway through the season and Edward Clariss hasn't even come up. They're not gonna pull a new character out of nowhere.

I agree with you in the first part, but truth be told...
I think that using clariss as a fake Jay without introducing him first may not be THAT bad...

it really depends if they focus more on the simple "jay is not jay" or "jay is ____" part of the twist...

but that is just my opinion, of course

 

[zenith16]

What? Eddie Thawne was there from day one.

the tease about Eddie was was for the fans of the books, cause they know the last name Eobard which is thawne as fake dr. wells. any completely new tot he franchise as a whole ....



Also Eobard didn't have much contact with Eddie from the start of the show til they tried to capt revers flash in star lab with cisco's trap where he tricked them all. and he didn't give eddie over interested looks like wow this is my ancestor or great grand father.

But, as far as they've shown us, it's just a nod to the comics.

technically eddie being cobolt blue aflash enemy and speedster and being inthe books priortothe show is a nod as well.

It's been 16 episodes and the words "Edward Clariss" never came up. They won't.

still no different as to when he told eddie his real last name was thawne .

After he kidnapped Eddie with in the show. Before that Eobard didn't put his last name on shout with in the show and he didn't make it obvious to eddie or anyone else with in the show and audience members(with the exception of those that know his lore ) completely that never read the books obliviously didn't see fake dr. wells / Eobard putting his name or saying \I'm am eobard thawne to any one with in the show prior to what he did both Eddie and Cisco.


the only ones that knew were readers of the book's and those that knew the lore or a bit of it already.

cthat all, just as it was when Eobard kidnapped eddie and eddie asked who eobard really was ?" and when eobard told him his last name was thawne it shocked as it did any that's not a fan of the books that was one of the first times he reveal his last name(as not dr.wells ) to any with in the show.

So?

so Eobard didn't let be known another thawn existed other then eddie prior to that time he kidnapped eddie and killed cisco.

It's not gonna be him. Think of all the new players they dropped on us this season: Jay Garrick, Zoom, Hunter Zolomon, Jesse Wells, Wells-2, Wally West and every possible doppleganger there could be... do you think they'd muddle this any further by introducing yet another character with less than 10 episodes to go? No way.

I'm just waiting as I said. the point of interest isn't really the name clariss.

For me, it can go ether way. it being him (Fake jay) whom ever he is or not be? in terms of his name being mentioned. it's the fact that zoom has an accomplice/ partner and that there's a fake Jay and there are/were two villains at play with in the show.

I have to go back to work though . I usually don't speak to later where I'm at, since I've doing overtime of late. .

 

[Batmannerism]

Sooooo.... the man in the Iron Mask is Jay.

this strongly suggests the person we've seen as Jay, all along, is someone else ( I know, you're all thinking, well, duh !).

Could be Zoom, posing as Jay to keep tabs on Barry and co, and also assist with the development of Velocity-9, which will increase his speed.

I'm kind of annoyed about the whole "Jay isn't who you think he is" plotline because well, we did that last season - you know, the "guy who looks like he's helping really isn't " storyline that worked so well in season 1.

There's no need to do that in season 2.

Really, they should have just left Jay as Jay.

Although i suppose it is possible that the Jay they met, and was in the first few episodes (before he buggered off) really was Jay. After he left Zoom captured him and chucked him in the prison - from that point on Jay was actually Zoom.

Actually I don't care, to be honest it feels like a totally redundant plotline in a season that's been pretty good so far.

Bummer.

 

[spiderman2]

Sooooo.... the man in the Iron Mask is Jay.

this strongly suggests the person we've seen as Jay, all along, is someone else ( I know, you're all thinking, well, duh !).

Could be Zoom, posing as Jay to keep tabs on Barry and co, and also assist with the development of Velocity-9, which will increase his speed.

I'm kind of annoyed about the whole "Jay isn't who you think he is" plotline because well, we did that last season - you know, the "guy who looks like he's helping really isn't " storyline that worked so well in season 1.

There's no need to do that in season 2.

Really, they should have just left Jay as Jay.

Although i suppose it is possible that the Jay they met, and was in the first few episodes (before he buggered off) really was Jay. After he left Zoom captured him and chucked him in the prison - from that point on Jay was actually Zoom.

Actually I don't care, to be honest it feels like a totally redundant plotline in a season that's been pretty good so far.

Bummer.

Oh could zoom be posing has jay? That makes zero sinces because we saw zoom is Jay. How could zoom be jay and posing has Jay at the same time in 2 different earths?

 

[zenith16]

Oh could zoom be posing has jay? That makes zero sinces because we saw zoom is Jay. How could zoom be jay and posing has Jay at the same time in 2 different earths?

it's that he ether had an accomplice/partner still showing there were two villain's on the show at play posing as Jay or there someone else posing as jay that earth 2 jay knew about well . while zoom was still on earth 2 causing trouble and sending people through the breach's . earth 2c jay the one in the iron mask was capture by zoom and can' do9 nothing but watch and panic while those two create their own chaos wit his face.

thus he'll get the blame if they're plans go awire

 

[vantheman77]

Man in the iron mask is either real Earth-2 Jay Garrick or Eddie Thawne.

 

[DigificWriter]

The MitIM is probably going to be another version of Jay from somewhere other than E1 or E2 (just like Zoom!Jay), since E2 Jay is the Jay we'd come to know since Episode 2.

 

[zenith16]

The MitIM is probably going to be another version of Jay from somewhere other than E1 or E2 (just like Zoom!Jay), since E2 Jay is the Jay we'd come to know since Episode 2.

We'll see then. It'll be interesting ether way.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Still on the Masked man is Eddie.

Why did Zoom bring Jay's body back and why does this "complicate" things are my questions. Both make it seem like Zoom didn't know who he had killed when reaching through the breach.

 

[Bren]

He no longer has an 'inside man' in Team Flash (since Wells stopped helping him)?