Who Was The Green Goblin?

[Ratcrawler]

It was Emily.

 

[Spiderine]

What we do know is that Norman likes boiled eggs.

 

[Ratcrawler]

And peeling them is probably symbolic of something.

 

[Spiderine]

Norman is peeling an egg and they just introduced Miles Warren. Maybe old Norm is already thinking about cloning Peter into the son he always wanted. Or Greg just gotta thing for hard boiled eggs?

 

[Gallagher]

It was Emily.

Been saying this for months.

Emily dammit!

 

[Webhead2006]

Nah it was really norman all along.

 

[whiplash]

"it's pre Columbia. Some people accually think the wearer takes on the personality of the mask"

just throwin it out there from "Probable Causes" as spoken by Norman Osborn to Hammerhead

 

[Venom'sDad]

It's Harry...Norman knows it and is using it to his advantage for now. Harry does not know he's the GG.

 

[Ratcrawler]

Kingsley.

 

[Mistah K88]

Once again I say it is ol Norman. Dressing up in some garish costume doesn't sound like the sort of thing that a businessman like Norman would do, but that was the entire POINT of the "we all wear masks Spider-Man, but shich one is real? The one that hides your face or the one that is your face." thing he said. Plus almost every apperace he had made this current season further incriminates him.

 

[Anwar]

It's Harry...Norman knows it and is using it to his advantage for now. Harry does not know he's the GG.

Agreed, he brainwashed Harry to see what kind of effects the Globulin would have in extended use and sent Harry out on the more dangerous assignments.

I don't see this Norman being the kind of guy who'd endanger himself in active field work.

 

[Rincewind]

It's Harry...Norman knows it and is using it to his advantage for now.

That's what I think, as well. To me, it went like this - in Season 1 Harry stole on his own the Globluin and turned into the Goblin, combining his hard psychological issues with the overheard mob dealings of his father to create a criminal mastermind persona. When Spidey finally foiled his plans and found out who he was alongside Norman, Norman did beg Spidey to give Harry a second chance. Either right there and then, or some time later, Norman actually became fascinated about the effects of the Globluin on the human mind and its ability to create a fearless psycho out of his gutless son. So the second time when Harry took the Globluin, he orchestrated the events to make as much use of him as possible. He somehow controls him, but I don't think that he dons the mask himself.

 

[SpaceWay2009]

^In fact, that's what I have been reading lately. Many people think that Norman is just using Harry as a puppet.

 

[Rincewind]

Yeah, and that's so messed up, that it suits Norman perfectly. To use his own son as a gineua pig and a thug for his own ends.

 

[Venom'sDad]

That's what I think, as well. To me, it went like this - in Season 1 Harry stole on his own the Globluin and turned into the Goblin, combining his hard psychological issues with the overheard mob dealings of his father to create a criminal mastermind persona. When Spidey finally foiled his plans and found out who he was alongside Norman, Norman did beg Spidey to give Harry a second chance. Either right there and then, or some time later, Norman actually became fascinated about the effects of the Globluin on the human mind and its ability to create a fearless psycho out of his gutless son. So the second time when Harry took the Globluin, he orchestrated the events to make as much use of him as possible. He somehow controls him, but I don't think that he dons the mask himself.

Exactly Rincewind, you seems to see what I see. The Gobluin has created a split-persona in Harry that Harry is unaware of. Norman discovered it at the moment you said with Spidey. Norman obvious new someone stole the suit, glider, and a number of vial of the Gobluin; yet, he obviously didn‘t expect it to be Harry. Remember, Norman thought he had a mole stealing from him.

I get the impression that Norman took Harry away in order to study & examine the effects of the gobluin, Harry’s spit-personality, and how he could make use of not necessarily Harry, but Harry’s new personality… since the formula seem to make him stronger, skillful, and quickly healable. Not really, in his mind, putting Harry in danger or great jeopardy.

That thing that Norman said in “Probable Cause” about “It's pre Columbia. Some people think the wearer takes on the personality of the mask“… is Norman revealing that he(is that person) believes Harry has taken on the personality of the mask. IMO, once Norman learn to control the effects of the Gobluin and Harry either screws up or gets hurt, Norman at that point will become the Green Goblin and takes things in his own hands.

 

[Duskbyday]

That's what I think, as well. To me, it went like this - in Season 1 Harry stole on his own the Globluin and turned into the Goblin, combining his hard psychological issues with the overheard mob dealings of his father to create a criminal mastermind persona. When Spidey finally foiled his plans and found out who he was alongside Norman, Norman did beg Spidey to give Harry a second chance. Either right there and then, or some time later, Norman actually became fascinated about the effects of the Globluin on the human mind and its ability to create a fearless psycho out of his gutless son. So the second time when Harry took the Globluin, he orchestrated the events to make as much use of him as possible. He somehow controls him, but I don't think that he dons the mask himself.

I'm with you all the way. I think Norman thinks he can control the side effects but it goes out of hand. For all we know he can become HobGob. Greg isn't going to make this show too predictable.

 

[Rincewind]

Eh, I don't know about the Hobgoblin... If one of the Osborns becomes the Hobgoblin, why was Roderick Kingsley introduced? But we'll see, one can never be too sure about such stuff, it seems.

 

[SpideyTheBest]

This is what Goblin said to Molten Man in the newest episode:

Molten Man: Elimimate Spider-Man?
Goblin: The other crimelords made the mistake of trying to distract the webslinger. I prefer a more direct approach.

Hammerhead told Norman in the first Sandman episode in season 1 "Competition" that "the Big Man wanted the bug distracted". Harry couldn't have overheard that could he?

 

[Rincewind]

I... don't have an answer. It's very possible that I was wrong, now that you brought it up.

Perhaps Norman is the Season 2 Goblin. But I'm absolutely sure that in Season 1 it was Harry. Maybe after Spidey defeated him, Norman was so impressed that he decided that he had to try it on himself.

 

[SpideyTheBest]

Nah, the voice is still the same. Plus, both Gobby and Norman talks alot about people with masks. For example, Gobby's line in season 1:

Gobby: We all wear masks Spider-Man, but which one is real? The one that hide your face, or the one that is your face?

Norman: Some belive that the wearer actually takes on the personality of a mask.

Also, Harry couldn't have overheard when Norman talked to Hammerhead in "Probable Cause" when he gave Hammy the thoughts on becoming the new Big Man. Harry was on the police field trip. And why would Harry take the Globulin Green again? Because the football team hates him? No I don't buy that. Impress his father again? Well didin't he know how that went the last time? And Harry still seem pretty normal to me. Nope, Harry is not the Goblin. Or perhaps they are just playing tricks on us fans, again. Maybe it really was Emily all long? But as it seems now, Norman is the Goblin. No doubt about it. And if I'm wrong I don't care.

 

[Rincewind]

In the newest episode, "Subtext", Harry had a line about addiction that could have casted doubts about it. Anyway, about your question how Norman talked to Hammerhead about the Big Man and how the Goblin orchestrated the events in "Gangland", I have an explanation - Harry (if he is the Goblin) is under the control of Norman in some way. He just has him doing the dirty and dangerous work without wearing the mask himself.

 

[SpideyTheBest]

I get what you're saying, or I think I am, I'm just a little confused here. So Norman controls Harry's mind or something? The Goblin is just the result of Norman messing with Harry's brain? Is that right?

 

[Rincewind]

The exact manner of control is a guesswork at this point. My theory is that in Season 1 the Goblin was the result of the oppressed mind of Harry combined with the overheard mob dealings of Norman. After Spidey defeated Harry, Norman became so fascinated with the ability of the Globluin to turn his gutless son into a fearless psycho, that he decided to (here come the variables): 1) try it on himself and become the second incarnation of the Goblin or 2) use Harry as a stooge for schemes that he himself designed.

 

[Anwar]

2) Seems more likely. Norman isn't the type of guy who'd risk himself going out into the field like that. It would be like Tombstone turning himself into the Rhino or something.

 

[MasterGandalf]

Put me down for the 'Harry's in the suit, but Norman's the brains' camp. I've made a post over in the spoilers and speculation thread about why I think this, and what I think Norman's up to, but its a bit too long to be posted here too. In a nutshell, Norman's not the sort to risk himself that way (either physically or mentally), but the Goblin seems too smart to be Harry by himself. I think that Norman is using a combination of the Green and hypnotherapy (a la Ultimate) to make sure Harry does what he wants, but Harry himself (or at least his Goblin personality) is unaware that the schemes aren't coming from him.