Who would win? Heroes character vs. comic book character...

[Anubis]

There's no question the sun would still work. The sun is the one constant. No matter what universe, the sun is the sun, unless the Sun in heroes is red, I don't think it will make a lick of difference.

Also, even if he did gain Superman's powers, he wouldn't know how to use them right away. And lets face it, Pete's track record is that of uselessness, and failure. He'd get his ass kicked either way. If he weren't such a noob, he might stand a chance.

 

[RootBeerMaster]

Haven't we already talked about how Superman's mind is much, much, more complex than a normal humans? This would almost prevent Peter's being able to do so as Matt couldn't even get into Hiro's mind because all Hiro could speak was Japanese. Matt's had the powers longer and has been able to gain even more control over them. Peter on the other hand has a very limited version of the power due to him not having as much experience. Supe's 1/Peter 0


You've got to be kidding me. Ok if this were ture than I want to know how the heck Saturn girl has taken away superman's memories before, Also then how come darkseid has been able to Brainwash Superman before, if superman's mind is so darn strong then how come A Psyic or telepathic attack strong enough, even from a novice can do a number on superman. Now if Superman was speak Krytonian then no a telepathic scan of his mind wouldn't do much for peter, but superman don't think in Krytonian he thinks in english cause he lived on earth ever since he was baby. Now Maybe Peter wouldn't be strong enough, like you said but I know matt could take control of him, or put Superman in his perfect world, so he won't want to leave, or to make things simply lets just take away all of superman's memories and inplant new ones so he work for Matt or Peter now or make him think he was 2 years old. I have See Telepaths and Psyics, take control of Superman before. While Superman's mind maybe complex he has NO DEFENSE against a Mental Attack on his mind.

Why don't you tell me how come every telepath and psyic that has come across Superman can enter his mind even if they don't speak Kryptoian, oh wait superman speaks ENGLISH has a frist Langaue.

 

[November Rain]

There's no question the sun would still work. The sun is the one constant. No matter what universe, the sun is the sun, unless the Sun in heroes is red, I don't think it will make a lick of difference.

Also, even if he did gain Superman's powers, he wouldn't know how to use them right away. And lets face it, Pete's track record is that of uselessness, and failure. He'd get his ass kicked either way. If he weren't such a noob, he might stand a chance.

why would it work?

the sun in dc could easily be like the speed force in dc and not exist outside of that universe or not be similar to the sun in the heroes universe which clearly has some other function to the cast members

i'm still not saying he'll win but he'd have superman's powers. Besides, speed strength and flight are already in his repetoir so he wouldn't have to learn them, he'd just readapt to the new levels he has them in.

speed flight and strength are the important ones anywho, supes's heat or breath has never turned the tied in a battle.

 

[Nokio]

Haven't we already talked about how Superman's mind is much, much, more complex than a normal humans? This would almost prevent Peter's being able to do so as Matt couldn't even get into Hiro's mind because all Hiro could speak was Japanese. Matt's had the powers longer and has been able to gain even more control over them. Peter on the other hand has a very limited version of the power due to him not having as much experience. Supe's 1/Peter 0


You've got to be kidding me. Ok if this were ture than I want to know how the heck Saturn girl has taken away superman's memories before, Also then how come darkseid has been able to Brainwash Superman before, if superman's mind is so darn strong then how come A Psyic or telepathic attack strong enough, even from a novice can do a number on superman. Now if Superman was speak Krytonian then no a telepathic scan of his mind wouldn't do much for peter, but superman don't think in Krytonian he thinks in english cause he lived on earth ever since he was baby. Now Maybe Peter wouldn't be strong enough, like you said but I know matt could take control of him, or put Superman in his perfect world, so he won't want to leave, or to make things simply lets just take away all of superman's memories and inplant new ones so he work for Matt or Peter now or make him think he was 2 years old. I have See Telepaths and Psyics, take control of Superman before. While Superman's mind maybe complex he has NO DEFENSE against a Mental Attack on his mind.

Why don't you tell me how come every telepath and psyic that has come across Superman can enter his mind even if they don't speak Kryptoian, oh wait superman speaks ENGLISH has a frist Langaue.

Huh??? Saturn girl is a telepath from a race of telepaths, so i would imagine that would give her quite the advantage over a lot of the human telepaths out there. She also have encountered many alien races so she would have the advantage, even over Prof X of dominating a mind faster. Peter is weak willed in my opinion. Its been said that part of a telepath's power is their strong will. Superman has a strong will. So it wouldn't be easy for Peter and even Saturn Girl to control him. Blocking memories or reading one's mind is different then controling someone's mind.

Darkseid is so far out of Peter's league its a non comparison. Darkseid is hundreds maybe even millions of years old, with immense resources and technology at his disposel. Him brain washing and manipulating Superman isn't outside the relm of easy possibilites.

I don't know where this language thing came from, but as far as i know language isn't an issue for a telepath, because they read brainwaves or something I remember reading. Saturn girl's language isn't english, in fact non of the non human leagionaires is. They wear tranlators, as do most of the different alien species in the 31 century. In fact a villian in one issue did something to block out the translators to cripple the legionaires and the UP. They do however have a Universal language in the 31 century that was created within the United Planets that some learn. I'm a legionaire fan so this i know. If on Heroes they have made this an issue based on language then the telepaths in that universe are weaker then the ones from DC, Marvel, and even Star Trek. Prof X, Jean Grey and Emma Frost have been shown to read the minds of people who not only didn't speak english on earth but give the rest of the xmen on the team a crash course in the foriegn language.

Only in some dreams can Peter beat Superman.

 

[Anubis]

why would it work?

the sun in dc could easily be like the speed force in dc and not exist outside of that universe or not be similar to the sun in the heroes universe which clearly has some other function to the cast members

i'm still not saying he'll win but he'd have superman's powers. Besides, speed strength and flight are already in his repetoir so he wouldn't have to learn them, he'd just readapt to the new levels he has them in.

speed flight and strength are the important ones anywho, supes's heat or breath has never turned the tied in a battle.

But it's not. IT'S THE SUN. You see, Superman doesn't get his powers from the sun because the Sun has some sorta super power giving innate properties. He gets his powers from his genetic make up. Same way if a regular human gets too much sun, they get cancer, well Superman instead gets heat vision, super strength, and, I don't know, super sperm or something.

 

[November Rain]

but parasite doesn't have his genetic makeup and can steal his powers

even if you say parasite can mimmic his genetic makeup, well so then can pete since he also has mimmicing powers. so potentially coul mimmic his genetic makeup.

i wish i knew some more power stealers in dc.

 

[Anubis]

The difference being that Parasite is a shape shifter to some degree, while Pete hasn't shown any kind of ability. (Mainly because he's never been anywhere near anybody that would even have that power.) So once again, it's unlikely that he would be able to do it, but like I said, even if he could, so what? He's still get his ass whipped due to inexperience, and the fact that he's a wuss.

 

[November Rain]

peter has been in contact with a shapeshifter and can shapeshift


otherwise how would future peter be able to shape shift


i.e. that female agent in the first series that sylar killed right at the beginning of season 2.

 

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Heroes fanboys are..........................something. Really.

 

[Nitehawk013]

Wasn't that Candice? The woman who altered her appearance. I don't recall Peter being in her presence, but it is possible. (Actually, he might have crossed her path in Isaac's loft I guess)

Regardless, this debate is just going in circles now. Again, we have no proof that Petes empathic mimicry works the same as Parasite's ability to steal or copy powers. Or Rogues. Or any other power absorber/theif. Thus you are left with assuming it is the same and would allow him to mimic Supes genetic code. He can't mimic Supes powers because they are not technically "powers". They are just natural effects of our yellow sun on Supes DNA.

I don't think it is a given that Pete could use his mimicry to that extent. You do though. Secondly, even if Pete could I don't think he is remotely in Supes league. I don't think it would even make Supes break a sweat. Again, you feel differently.

 

[3dman27]

maybe a different matchup is in order to move this thread on
claire vs kitty pride

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Kitty is far too well trained for Claire to do any damage. Claire can take the damage but she can't dish it out. The fight is most likely to produce a draw but the only possible winner is Kitty.

 

[November Rain]

Wasn't that Candice? The woman who altered her appearance. I don't recall Peter being in her presence, but it is possible. (Actually, he might have crossed her path in Isaac's loft I guess)

Regardless, this debate is just going in circles now. Again, we have no proof that Petes empathic mimicry works the same as Parasite's ability to steal or copy powers. Or Rogues. Or any other power absorber/theif. Thus you are left with assuming it is the same and would allow him to mimic Supes genetic code. He can't mimic Supes powers because they are not technically "powers". They are just natural effects of our yellow sun on Supes DNA.

I don't think it is a given that Pete could use his mimicry to that extent. You do though. Secondly, even if Pete could I don't think he is remotely in Supes league. I don't think it would even make Supes break a sweat. Again, you feel differently.

I don't feel pete would win

The point however was someone went out to state his powers would not work against superman as a hindrance. in any team up bout, one assumes they have full capabilities and mastery over their own powers. Pete's main power is to mimmic other people's powers. THat's it.

So to deny his fundamental power would be to undermine him as a character. It's his fundamental gift.

if you then remove his ability to perform this then you are unfairly limiting the character for no real reason.

If you look at most power mimmics, you would probably see their powers work very differently from one another but ultimately have the same overall effect of being a 'mimmic'. Even the powers they mimmic . I've never known a mimmic who has been limited to what they can mimmic regardless of their power origin.

why my opinion is open minded based on a lack of evidence against peter and evidence based on other mimmics, others have been closed minded based on not much. Again it's like saying the heroes's sun emits a different form of yellow sun radiation which could not power supes. It is a plausible as the statement against pete but ultimately as useless.

I know he wouldn't win but putting an argument forward that a mimmic can't mimmic based on genetic makeup is off...

 

[Savage]

Kitty's a ninja and Claire is...well, a cheerleader that can swing a bat. Kitty wins.

 

[RootBeerMaster]

Kitty and Clarie isn't a fair match up, I hate to see poor poor Clarie afterwards. Kitty would win with out even useing her powers.

 

[November Rain]

why not use a character like marrow or husk or m or maggot from generation x.

all the xmen are highly trained in the danger room.

what about cecilia reyes, she just has forcefields and is somewhat of a civilian, she could be some real danger

or the whole team against longshot, or bishop or sebastian shaw

 

[Nokio]

I don't feel pete would win

The point however was someone went out to state his powers would not work against superman as a hindrance. in any team up bout, one assumes they have full capabilities and mastery over their own powers. Pete's main power is to mimmic other people's powers. THat's it.

So to deny his fundamental power would be to undermine him as a character. It's his fundamental gift.

if you then remove his ability to perform this then you are unfairly limiting the character for no real reason.

If you look at most power mimmics, you would probably see their powers work very differently from one another but ultimately have the same overall effect of being a 'mimmic'. Even the powers they mimmic . I've never known a mimmic who has been limited to what they can mimmic regardless of their power origin.

why my opinion is open minded based on a lack of evidence against peter and evidence based on other mimmics, others have been closed minded based on not much. Again it's like saying the heroes's sun emits a different form of yellow sun radiation which could not power supes. It is a plausible as the statement against pete but ultimately as useless.

I know he wouldn't win but putting an argument forward that a mimmic can't mimmic based on genetic makeup is off...

Peter doesn't steal or drain powers period, he's not Rogue or Parasite to those who keep saying that he drains power or whatever.

I recall that the Invisiable guy from the 1st season told Peter how his power works. He said that his DNA is like a sponge and that Peter could copy the powers of other specials when he comes in a close enough vacinity. He also retains said powers of whom he comes in contact with. He however for not been able to do this with the Haiten last i checked, probably because the guy cancels out powers. So he can duplicate the abilities of People like him. Superman is not like him, so I don't know how he be able to duplicate Supe's powers. It's sorta like the few mutants in the Marvel universe who can duplicate powers of other mutants but not Superhumans like the F4.

This is all moot. Peter can't beat Superman.

 

[Nokio]

This should help explain how the Parasite is able to mimic powers. Got it from DC

The Parasite is able to absorb the life energy of other beings leaving them withered corpses. He is also able to absorb virtually any other energy form and use it.

Rudy Jones and Dr. Torval Freeman gained enhanced strength, agility and endurance by absorbing the energy of other beings.

After contact with the Strange Visitor Parasite’s powers changed enabling him to keep the energy he took longer. Somewhere Jones and his scientist counterpart gained new powers by absorbing a shape-shifter as well. Now not only does he sap the life energy out of his victims he can actually become his victims right down to their DNA.

 

[Nokio]

peter has been in contact with a shapeshifter and can shapeshift


otherwise how would future peter be able to shape shift


i.e. that female agent in the first series that sylar killed right at the beginning of season 2.

Well judging how her powers worked, she wasn't a shape shifter at all. She was an illusion caster like Mastermind or similar.

 

[Anubis]

peter has been in contact with a shapeshifter and can shapeshift


otherwise how would future peter be able to shape shift


i.e. that female agent in the first series that sylar killed right at the beginning of season 2.

Figured you'd bring her up, she wasn't a shape shifter. She was an illusionist. She just changed what you saw, not what is.

 

[November Rain]

fine, you win

 

[Anubis]

Thank you! Boy. That was an ordeal. Like Toki trying to explain to Murderface the point of a Spelling B.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

If Peter actually changes his DNA then he should indeed be able to copy Superman's powers. He can also turn invisible and phase which would protect him from Superman's powers. His telepathy should, in addition be able to shut down Supeman's central nervous system even if he can't decipher higher brain functions.

 

[Nokio]

If Peter actually changes his DNA then he should indeed be able to copy Superman's powers. He can also turn invisible and phase which would protect him from Superman's powers. His telepathy should, in addition be able to shut down Supeman's central nervous system even if he can't descipher higher brain functions.

Boy you guys are really keeping this going. Peter can not beat Superman period. What's next, Sylar would be able to slice open Supes skull and get his powers too or Peter could face off against Jean Grey and copy the Phoenix force. This is really getting laughable. For the last time it was said that Peter's power is that his DNA is like a sponge and he soaks up or copies the abilites of other speacials or people like him when they get close enough. He wouldn't get close to Supes and just turn into a Kryptonian. Also from what is known of Kryptonian DNA it would destablize the human genetic structure. This has happened in the comics where Kryptonian DNA was infused with a human.

I don't know I'm just going on what I've seen in Hereos and read about Superman for many years, but i do know that even if Peter could change into a Kryptonian Superman would still beat him. It's Superman for god's sake. Superman has tons more expierence then Peter and Superman is more then just has powers. I could go on but what's the point. Some here are determined that the specials from Heroes could beat iconic heroes like Superman as if he's all of a sudden a push over.

When the character or Peter Petrelli has been around as long as supes or for at least 20 years and has battled a vareity of Villians(more the one at many times and some more powerful i might add) and saved the planet numerous times and inspired people and lead teams of hereos to victory then i'll say he may have a chance at beating Superman.

 

[Nokio]

The worse power stealer or copier that I've ever seen is the parasite and supes beat him. The Parasite would eat peter @ss for a snack.