Who's the most powerful villain

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TheCorpulent1 said:
Surtur wanted to ignite the Twilight Sword with the Eternal Flame in Asgard, so he stormed the city and, right when he thought he'd gotten to the Flame, it turned out to be an illusion Loki had made. After that, Loki mocks Surtur for a while, then blasts him in the eyes, then creates a bunch of doppelgangers of himself to confuse Surtur. Basically he was just occupying Surtur's attention for a few seconds, until this old soldier guy on Earth closed the Cask of Ancient Winters that was keeping Odin imprisoned in ice. Loki never really fights Surtur outright, he sticks to guerilla tactics and uses his maneuverability to his advantage. The scene makes sense; it's really just Surtur being his usual dumb, brutish self while Loki fights smart and stays one step ahead of him. It's clear that Loki has absolutely no chance of ever actually beating Surtur, though.
Ok, that's kind of what I was thinking had to have happened. I wouldn't really call it a major feat for Loki. He's always been a fairly intelligent fighter and it sounds like he didn't really do too much or have to wait too long for help to arrive. Plus, as you said, Surtur was fighting as his usual self.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
Surtur wanted to ignite the Twilight Sword with the Eternal Flame in Asgard, so he stormed the city and, right when he thought he'd gotten to the Flame, it turned out to be an illusion Loki had made. After that, Loki mocks Surtur for a while, then blasts him in the eyes, then creates a bunch of doppelgangers of himself to confuse Surtur. Basically he was just occupying Surtur's attention for a few seconds, until this old soldier guy on Earth closed the Cask of Ancient Winters that was keeping Odin imprisoned in ice. Loki never really fights Surtur outright, he sticks to guerilla tactics and uses his maneuverability to his advantage. The scene makes sense; it's really just Surtur being his usual dumb, brutish self while Loki fights smart and stays one step ahead of him. It's clear that Loki has absolutely no chance of ever actually beating Surtur, though.

I'm not sure how he'd stack up to Dr. Strange now, but back when Dr. Strange was just "master of the mystic arts" rather than Sorcerer Supreme, Loki owned his ass with very, very little effort. Strange has gotten much better since then, though. He might be beyond Loki's power now, or they might be about even. I doubt Strange is weaker than Loki anymore, though.

It's been stated in canon that he's third in the ranks of Asgard's sorcerers, after Odin and Karnilla. Not too shabby given that Odin wields the Odinpower, which is basically like Asgard's version of the Power Cosmic--it's the power of the entire realm funneled into one person--and Karnilla is queen of the Norns, who are themselves very powerful magic beings. Loki's just a descendant of giants who trained his ass off in magic.

Tiwaz's power level is pretty much unknown considering we haven't really seen him do anything. He just tended to Thor once after Thor got caught in an avalanche.

I'd forgotten about the Enchanters. Enrakt was powerful enough to possess Mjolnir, so yeah, they're definitely up there.

When did Strange upgrade from master to Sorcerer Supreme?
 
What about marvels version of Merlin? I know thiers been a couple versions plus one phoney but how do you guys think he would rank against Strange?
 
My guess would be people like Thanos or Dormamu maybe as the most powerful villains. Unless you count Galactus I suppose although he's generally considered more a force of nature than a villain.
 
Yeah, Galactus is more a cosmic force of nature than an actual villain.
 
The Thing with these "magic" based characters is its just so hard to define their powers..

Dorammau is a powerhouse , as are some of the asgardian villians.

But the magic factor makes it tough to define.

Overrall though if you asked me if all the villians had to duke it out..

I think Thanos has the most well rounded resume..

And in terms of "power" Thanos has been The most powerful being in the universe on several occasions..at those points his raw power was off the charts.

And the time he maintained such power was respectable...
 
MJOILNIR said:
What about marvels version of Merlin? I know thiers been a couple versions plus one phoney but how do you guys think he would rank against Strange?
I don't know. Merlin didn't really fight with magic too often. He had the Captain Britain Corps, Arthur Pendragon, the Black Knights throughout history, and other agents to command for all his dirty work.
 
Anyone remember Korvac? I'm only vaguely familiar with him but I remember him being extremely high up there in power.

Any chance you guys can gimme a better idea as to where he stands in all this?
 
Oh yeah, Korvac was insanely powerful. I never read the original Korvac Saga, though. I only remember when he manipulated the Red Skull and Cap during Waid's run to get himself a cosmic cube.
 
As for non-cosmic characters, Graviton should be up there. The man is extremely powerful and is able to tons of crazy **** with his power over graviton particles.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
Oh yeah, Korvac was insanely powerful. I never read the original Korvac Saga, though. I only remember when he manipulated the Red Skull and Cap during Waid's run to get himself a cosmic cube.

Yeah thats the storyline i remember him from too. Although I've read some bios and such about him aside from that.
And on an unrelated note that I found amusing I just discovered that i can add myself to my buddy list. And i did so. Does that make me pathetic? LOL
 
What about Vector? I know he isn't the best well known villain but I am sure he could hold his own against most others and probably even pull off some surprise victories.
 
On another note I know this thread is asking whom is the most powerful. But as others have been bringing up it's hard to judge certain characters with magical abilties. Others are known more for their mind than sheer power. So maybe a couple different categories are needed to give a more precise list.
 
How bout this
Villain
magic: Dormamu
Strength:Juggernaut
Speed:Quicksilver
Mind/intellegence: Dr. Doom
psyonic:Mr. Sinister
Cosmic:Thanos
Best Overall:Thanos
Hero
magic: Dr. strange
Strength:Hulk
Speed:Silver Surfer on the his board
Mind/intellegence:Mr. Fantastic
psyonic:X-man/Phoenix
Cosmic:Silver surfer
Best Overall:Silver surfer
 
konartistik said:
How bout this
Villain
magic: Dormamu
Strength:Juggernaut
Speed:Quicksilver
Mind/intellegence: Dr. Doom
psyonic:Mr. Sinister
Cosmic:Thanos
Best Overall:Thanos
Hero
magic: Dr. strange
Strength:Hulk
Speed:Silver Surfer on the his board
Mind/intellegence:Mr. Fantastic
psyonic:X-man/Phoenix
Cosmic:Silver surfer
Best Overall:Silver surfer

That's fine, but I was just thinking something like Overall the most powerful, cunning/mind, magical, mental abilities i.e. telepathy, telekenisis etc., raw strength.

Thanos is a Titan, not really a cosmic being, although he is damn near close. As far as pietro goes, is he a villain now? Speed, Surfer is close but not tops. The Runner would own that department, but not sure if he really counts as a hero. And most powerful overall for a hero, I would have to say Dr. Strange, or Franklin Richards. Surfer is close, but like Corp said, magic pretty much trumps everything.
 
yeah, I didnt wanna have like 100 categories. I put thanos as cosmic cause he used the IG and I thought that was some cosmic artifact. The runner he's like neutral but not a hero, he doesnt go around protecting people. Dr. Strange might take it cause there's no real boundaries to his power. So basically it's safe to say: Dr. Strange for heros, Thanos for villains.
 
konartistik said:
yeah, I didnt wanna have like 100 categories. I put thanos as cosmic cause he used the IG and I thought that was some cosmic artifact. The runner he's like neutral but not a hero, he doesnt go around protecting people. Dr. Strange might take it cause there's no real boundaries to his power. So basically it's safe to say: Dr. Strange for heros, Thanos for villains.

Basically it was the control of the entire universe and only two beings were above it's might. The LT and The One Above All (not the celestial, but God). But even without it, Thanos is one bad mother ****er, just like Sammuel L's Wallet says.
 
Oh and as far as mind/intelligence goes, Doom may be the premire villain on Earth, but I would think Thanos has him outclassed in that category as well :up:

Overall Surtur and a few others mentioned by Corp and J Blaze might even be more powerful than Thanos :up:
 
Tiwaz wielded Mjolnir without effort and Thor himself said that the ice animations Tiwaz did were well beyond Lokis capability. I forgot about Korvac. He was probably Galactus level. He destroyed the Collector with one bolt while the collector was in his ship and Korvac was on Earth. He was capable of resurrecting those he killed even to the point of reversing disintegration.
 
Wielding Mjolnir just means he's worthy of it. Given that he's Odin's grandfather and thus part of Thor's royal bloodline, it's not surprising that he's worthy. I figured he'd be more powerful than Loki, I was just pointing out that his power level compared to, say, Odin is a lot sketchier.
BAH HUMBBUG! said:
That's fine, but I was just thinking something like Overall the most powerful, cunning/mind, magical, mental abilities i.e. telepathy, telekenisis etc., raw strength.

Thanos is a Titan, not really a cosmic being, although he is damn near close. As far as pietro goes, is he a villain now? Speed, Surfer is close but not tops. The Runner would own that department, but not sure if he really counts as a hero. And most powerful overall for a hero, I would have to say Dr. Strange, or Franklin Richards. Surfer is close, but like Corp said, magic pretty much trumps everything.
Thanos is an Eternal, actually. He's from Titan, a moon of Saturn.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
Wielding Mjolnir just means he's worthy of it. Given that he's Odin's grandfather and thus part of Thor's royal bloodline, it's not surprising that he's worthy. I figured he'd be more powerful than Loki, I was just pointing out that his power level compared to, say, Odin is a lot sketchier.

Thanos is an Eternal, actually. He's from Titan, a moon of Saturn.

Right you are Ken :up: I should know that damn it! :D
 

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