Whose Smarter than this Teenage?

[deemar325]

Extraordinary Genius:

01. High Evolutionary
02. The Leader
03. MODOK
04. Cable
05. Nathaniel Richards
06. Mr. Fantastic
07. Doctor Doom
08. Apocalypse
09. Sinister
10. Iron Man
11. The Hulk
12. Mandarin
13. The Moleman
14. Yellow Jacket (Pym)
15. Franklin Richards

Genius:


16. Cassandra Nova
17. The Mad Thinker
18. Professor X
19. Kid Omega
20. Magneto
21. Forge
22. Beast
23. Stryfe
24. Baron Zemo
25. Sasquatch
26. Black Panther
27. Doctor Octopus
28. Justin Hammer
29. Doctor Strange
30. Spencer Smythe
31. Kang The Conqueror
32. The Iron Monger
33. The Jackal
34. Morbius
35. Graviton
36. Lizard
37. Hyde
38. Arcade
39. Red Skull
40. Tinkerer
41. Green Goblin
42. Crimson Dynamo (1)
43. Allistair Smythe
44. The Red Ghost
45. Madman
46. Gremlin
47. Temugin
48. Baron Mordo
49. Ant-Man (Lang)
50. Goliath (Foster)


I read comics, read as many different handbooks as I could...and at certain points I winged this...and this is what I get for the 50 most intelligent in Marvel.

This list is only made of: Humans, Mutants, Mutates, and Sentient Computer life.

This list excludes: Cosmic Beings, Demons, Gods, Aliens, and alternate versions of the same man (Dark Beast, Immortus etc)

I may go to 100, and figure out the gifted break off.

Pretty sure Bill Foster would rate higher than Lang.

 

[Unthinkable]

Not that he's a super genius or anything, but lately Peter Parker has not gotten enough credit for his intelligence. I would say that he's easily on par with the Lizard, Red Ghost, and Morbius.

 

[KangConquers]

Not that he's a super genius or anything, but lately Peter Parker has not gotten enough credit for his intelligence. I would say that he's easily on par with the Lizard, Red Ghost, and Morbius.

well maybe the other two; but I did underrate Morbius.

After all, he is a Nobel Prize winner. He should probably be top 25.

I've always saw Peter has having the potential to be considered a top name, but let's be honest...with fictional characters, you can't give them IQ tests. Thus you can only measure their intelligence by what they say or do. Most of the people on the list (not all) have made gigantic breakthroughs in some field, in a way that the marvel universe has been forever changed.

Parker creating web shooters, web tracers, and knowing how to use computers doesn't put him in the same league as people who have created sentient robotic life, cloned themselves, figured out how to transfer their essences into new bodies etc.

Peter's brilliant on an every day scale, but on a marvel scale...he's a lightweight in terms of intellectual accomplishment. I'd estimate Parker's IQ at between 130-150, Highly gifted to low genius range. Most of the characters on the list are 160+. Bruce Banner is said to have an intellect that "No known IQ test can measure", and the fact that he's not considered the absolute most intelligent person in Marveldom shows you what a tough crowd it is, thus why pete gets lost in the shuffle.

There are other characters that are hard to rank; Sage has genius in storing information, but the storage of information, alone, doesn't make you a genius.

Also, due to the nature of intelligence, you can have a genius score in one field and not be a genius. To put this in perspective, when I took my IQ test...my highest score was a 174, which is practically off the charts, meaning I had a genius in that area, my lowest score was a 96, meaning I was low average in that area.

So a character like Sage could have an incomparable genius for remembering things, and organizing information, but could suck at math, science, and english in terms of creatively applying the treasure trove of knowledge she has stuck in her head (granted she doesn't suck at applying knowledge, I was just bringing up a theoretical situation.)

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I would say:

1. Richards
2. Stark
3. Doom
4. Banner
5. Pym
6. The Leader
7. Amadeus Cho (obviously)
8. Baron Von Blizschlag
9. Forge
10. Dr. Curtis Connors

Forge admittedly isn't that smart. He doesn't understand the things that he builds. He is like that guy molding mash potatoes in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Now Madison Jefferies probably is a legit super genius however.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Peter has in a matter of minutes understood Kang's 40th century robotics technology and reprogrammed it. He has also understood at first reading anti matter science that was leading edge physics in the MU at the time. Reed said that few minds on earth would understand it. He has also on a number of occasions reversed mutations on himself and others. He has also done this without research, performing these feats on the spur of the moment with only the knowledge in his head. Reed, Connors and the others all devote extensive research time to do what Peter does on short notice. Peters fields of achievement include: electronics, robotics, physics, biology including mutagenics, and computers.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Beyond the Realm of Mortal Consciousness (not comprehensive)
1. Beyonder
2. TOAA
3. The Living Tribunal
4. The Celestials
5. Galactus
6. Adam Warlock
7. Silver Surfer
8. Thanos
9. The Supreme Intelligence
10. Cthton

Red indicates character is from another Universe other than 616

Super Genius
1. Scarlet Centurion
1. High Evolutionary
2. MODOK
3. Victor Von Doom
3. Emil Burbank "The Master Menace"
3.5. Nathanial Essex (tied with Doom)
4. Beast "Here Comes Tomorrow"
4. Nathanial Richards
5. Reed Richards
6. the Leader
6.5. The Master of the World (tied with The Leader)
7. En Sabah Nur
7.5. Amadeus Cho (tied with En Sabah Nur)
8. Cable
9. Madison Jefferies
9. Tom Thumb
10. Tony Stark
10.5. Bruce Banner (tied with Stark)
11. Black Panther (T'Challa)
11. Dr. Emil Burbank
12. Professor Phinius T. Horton
12.5. Peter Parker (tied with Horton)
13. Dark Beast
13.5. Henry McCoy (slightly behind Dark Beast)
14. Hank Pym
15. Cassandra Nova
16. Professor Charles Francis Xavier
17. Eric Lenshirr Magnus
18. the Mad Thinker
19. Kid Omega
20. Forge
21. Arnim Zola
22. Franklin Richards
23. Dr Strange
24. Stryfe
25. Kang

Intelligence of Other Worldly Realms
1. Mephisto
2. Odin/ God Thor
3. Suma Garath
4. Dormamu
5. The Ancient One
6. Loki
7. Belasco

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Peter has in a matter of minutes understood Kang's 40th century robotics technology and reprogrammed it. He has also understood at first reading anti matter science that was leading edge physics in the MU at the time. Reed said that few minds on earth would understand it. He has also on a number of occasions reversed mutations on himself and others. He has also done this without research, performing these feats on the spur of the moment with only the knowledge in his head. Reed, Connors and the others all devote extensive research time to do what Peter does on short notice. Peters fields of achievement include: electronics, robotics, physics, biology including mutagenics, and computers.

I agree he should be higher on my list.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Beyond the Realm of Mortal Consciousness (not comprehensive)
1. Beyonder
2. TOAA
3. The Living Tribunal
4. The Celestials
5. Galactus
6. Adam Warlock
7. Silver Surfer
8. Thanos
9. The Supreme Intelligence
10. Odin/God Thor

Super Genius
1. High Evolutionary
2. MODOK
3. Victor Von Doom
3.5. Nathanial Essex (tied with Doom)
4. Nathanial Richards
5. Reed Richards
6. the Leader
7. En Sabah Nur
7.5. Amadeus Cho (tied with En Sabah Nur)
8. Cable
9. Madison Jefferies
10. Tony Stark
10.5. Bruce Banner (tied with Stark)
11. Black Panther (T'Challa)
12. Professor Phinius T. Horton
13. Dark Beast
13.5. Henry McCoy (slightly behind Dark Beast)
14. Hank Pym
15. Cassandra Nova
16. Professor Charles Francis Xavier
17. Eric Lenshirr Magnus
18. the Mad Thinker
19. Kid Omega
20. Forge
21. Arnim Zola
22. Franklin Richards
23. Dr Strange
24. Stryfe
25. Kang

The High Evolutionary is in the same intelligence class as Galactus as is Reeds friend the Futurist who is also artificially evolved.

 

[Astrø]

Im not sure that Tony Stark should be higher Than Xavier...

 

[ShadowBoxing]

The High Evolutionary is in the same intelligence class as Galactus as is Reeds friend the Futurist who is also artificially evolved.

No, High Evolutionary isn't even in the same league as Galactus, that's just silly.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Im not sure that Tony Stark should be higher Than Xavier...

Tony Stark is leaps and bounds beyond Professor Xavier.

 

[Harlekin]

There's no way Cable is smarter than Iron Man or the Hulk.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

No, High Evolutionary isn't even in the same league as Galactus, that's just silly.

When the High Evolutionary created Counter Earth he created it by pure power of mind and accelerated it's evolution and cultural development in a matter of hours. The Earth that resulted had copies of everyone on earth including Reed and Doom. Everything that they knew and everything that they and everyone else had done was knowledge provided by the High Evolutionary. The High Evolutionary was even acknowledged as a peer by Galactus. When he was talking to the High Evolutionary he referred to the two of them as Gods. Adam Warlock served the High Evolutionary for a time and also acknowledged him as superior in knowledge and power although Adam has developed considerably since then. In the Master Edition of the Handbook he is rated as a superhuman intellect above Reed and Doom's extraordinary genius.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

There's no way Cable is smarter than Iron Man or the Hulk.

That's some new retcon or something now that they've introduced into Marvel. Apparently he is just that smart, however in years prior he was shown as being pretty average.

 

[KangConquers]

Peter has in a matter of minutes understood Kang's 40th century robotics technology and reprogrammed it. He has also understood at first reading anti matter science that was leading edge physics in the MU at the time. Reed said that few minds on earth would understand it. He has also on a number of occasions reversed mutations on himself and others. He has also done this without research, performing these feats on the spur of the moment with only the knowledge in his head. Reed, Connors and the others all devote extensive research time to do what Peter does on short notice. Peters fields of achievement include: electronics, robotics, physics, biology including mutagenics, and computers.

Uh...Kang's robot had an off switch if I'm not mistaken. Nothing high tech about that. Besides, that wasn't even Kang prime...That was a Kang-bot according to current continuity.

When Reed says Spider-Man is brilliant, I always saw it in the way a teacher pats his brightest pupil on the back and says "you have potential kid."

As for achievements, Peter has done nothing in these fields which others haven't been able to achieve.

Btw, on the Kang subject...I was reading through some old Kang comic books, and the time machine "Which he discovered" was just a fraction of a broken time machine. Kang completely rebuilt it using only his intellect. Other things Kang's done is figured out a way to stop himself from diverging into other timelines, create a way to transfer his brain to a new body at the instant of death, create the growing men stimuloids.

Kang also created his armor from scratch, having merely observed Doctor Doom's armor in passing, he was able to concoct his own armor which is more powerful than Doom's.

 

[KangConquers]

Beyond the Realm of Mortal Consciousness (not comprehensive)
1. Beyonder
2. TOAA
3. The Living Tribunal
4. The Celestials
5. Galactus
6. Adam Warlock
7. Silver Surfer
8. Thanos
9. The Supreme Intelligence
10. Cthton

Red indicates character is from another Universe other than 616

Super Genius
1. Scarlet Centurion
1. High Evolutionary
2. MODOK
3. Victor Von Doom
3. Emil Burbank "The Master Menace"
3.5. Nathanial Essex (tied with Doom)
4. Beast "Here Comes Tomorrow"
4. Nathanial Richards
5. Reed Richards
6. the Leader
6.5. The Master of the World (tied with The Leader)
7. En Sabah Nur
7.5. Amadeus Cho (tied with En Sabah Nur)
8. Cable
9. Madison Jefferies
9. Tom Thumb
10. Tony Stark
10.5. Bruce Banner (tied with Stark)
11. Black Panther (T'Challa)
11. Dr. Emil Burbank
12. Professor Phinius T. Horton
12.5. Peter Parker (tied with Horton)
13. Dark Beast
13.5. Henry McCoy (slightly behind Dark Beast)
14. Hank Pym
15. Cassandra Nova
16. Professor Charles Francis Xavier
17. Eric Lenshirr Magnus
18. the Mad Thinker
19. Kid Omega
20. Forge
21. Arnim Zola
22. Franklin Richards
23. Dr Strange
24. Stryfe
25. Kang

Intelligence of Other Worldly Realms
1. Mephisto
2. Odin/ God Thor
3. Suma Garath
4. Dormamu
5. The Ancient One
6. Loki
7. Belasco

You're kidding me if you're ranking Peter above Xavier.

Also, Scarlet Centurion is the exact same man as Kang; the divergence where they became different men occured during their 35th year of life according to all the Kang timelines...by the time you're 35, I think your intelligence is pretty much set in place; so either Kang should be higher, or SC should be lower...or more probably, both should be moved to the middle.

Also, Beast is often shown as more knowledgeable in more fields than Dark Beast.

I do like that you named all of those characters Super Geniuses though, because to be frank, by real world consideration of genius ALL would be super genius.

I mean, Madonna claims to have a genius IQ...****ing Madonna.

 

[Kitsune]

Uh...Kang's robot had an off switch if I'm not mistaken. Nothing high tech about that. Besides, that wasn't even Kang prime...That was a Kang-bot according to current continuity.

When Reed says Spider-Man is brilliant, I always saw it in the way a teacher pats his brightest pupil on the back and says "you have potential kid."

As for achievements, Peter has done nothing in these fields which others haven't been able to achieve.

Btw, on the Kang subject...I was reading through some old Kang comic books, and the time machine "Which he discovered" was just a fraction of a broken time machine. Kang completely rebuilt it using only his intellect. Other things Kang's done is figured out a way to stop himself from diverging into other timelines, create a way to transfer his brain to a new body at the instant of death, create the growing men stimuloids.

Kang also created his armor from scratch, having merely observed Doctor Doom's armor in passing, he was able to concoct his own armor which is more powerful than Doom's.

Having access to future technology lessens that achievement.

 

[KangConquers]

Having access to future technology lessens that achievement.

Doesn't make him not a genius.

Marvel should go back to the 10 point scale they were using for a while; something like this.


01. Extremely impaired (Incapable of thought)- Mud-Thing, Destroyer Armor
02. Impaired (child-like intelligence)- Dragon Man
03. Below Average (Dull)- Rhino, Absorbing Man, Electro
04. Average- Rick Jones, Hawkeye
05. Above Average (Bright)- Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm
06. Gifted (Very Bright)- Emma Frost, Namor, Helmut Zemo
07. Genius (Extremely Bright)- Spider-Man, Kitty Pryde, Curt Connors, Bill Foster
08. Extraordinary Genius (Extremely bright with genius in various fields)- Iron Man, Hulk, Magneto, Professor X etc.
09. Super Human (Unchartable levels of intelligence)- Doctor Doom, Reed Richards, MODOK, High Evolutionary
10. Omniscient (All Knowing)- Living Tribunal, One Above All, Beyonder

 

[KangConquers]

Btw...who the **** is Amadeus Cho?

 

[Kitsune]

Doesn't make him not a genius.

I could build a steam engine from information I got from an Encyclopedia... does that make me a genius?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

You're kidding me if you're ranking Peter above Xavier.

Xavier isn't that smart. He's a diplomat and an excellent public speaker, decent with tech, but most of his intelligence comes from reading the minds of others, not his intellect.

Also, Scarlet Centurion is the exact same man as Kang; the divergence where they became different men occured during their 35th year of life according to all the Kang timelines...by the time you're 35, I think your intelligence is pretty much set in place; so either Kang should be higher, or SC should be lower...or more probably, both should be moved to the middle.

Well, Scarlet Centurion cured all diseases, halted all crime and war, ruled with absolute power and brought his civilization to technological perfection. Kang (whom I'm considering moving up) has had no such achievements, but we know SC to be pretty much perfect.

Also, Beast is often shown as more knowledgeable in more fields than Dark Beast.

Dark Beast seems to be whupping his butt royally as of late.

I do like that you named all of those characters Super Geniuses though, because to be frank, by real world consideration of genius ALL would be super genius.

Well, super genius is...I believe...165 or higher. They estimate Hawkings has a 165 IQ, the highest recorded being something like 216. However comics, as you point out, inflate the bounds of human achievement by quite a bit.

I mean, Madonna claims to have a genius IQ...****ing Madonna.

She might be. It only requires a 140+ IQ. I have that. However, unfortunately, that does exclude someone from acting like an idiot or wasting said talent.

 

[Anubis]

Btw...who the **** is Amadeus Cho?

The Seventh Smartest person in the world. The guy we're supposed to be trying to figure out who is smarter than he is.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Btw...who the **** is Amadeus Cho?

That Am-Asian kid from World War Hulk.

 

[KangConquers]

Xavier isn't that smart. He's a diplomat and an excellent public speaker, decent with tech, but most of his intelligence comes from reading the minds of others, not his intellect.

Well, Scarlet Centurion cured all diseases, halted all crime and war, ruled with absolute power and brought his civilization to technological perfection. Kang (whom I'm considering moving up) has had no such achievements, but we know SC to be pretty much perfect.

Dark Beast seems to be whupping his butt royally as of late.

Well, super genius is...I believe...165 or higher. They estimate Hawkings has a 165 IQ, the highest recorded being something like 216. However comics, as you point out, inflate the bounds of human achievement by quite a bit.

She might be. It only requires a 140+ IQ. I have that. However, unfortunately, that does exclude someone from acting like an idiot or wasting said talent.

During the marriage of Sue and Reed, Ben asked who the bald guy was. Sue told him it was Charles Xavier a man "just as brilliant as Reed." Now obviously, Xavier's not quite on Reed's level, but I'd put him above Spidey.

Spidey really is a tough case, because he may have the intelligence to fit the bill, but we're comparing a 28 year old with a graduate level education, and no recognized accomplishments, to Nobel prize winning doctors, time travellers, and total Leonardo Davinci types.

True...at the same time, that maybe personal choice, and the result of the place they wound up in. Scarlet Centurion wound up in an alternate 20th century, some place easy to subdue. Kang wound up in the 40th century. That experience probably shaped him into someone who values war over diplomacy.

If you read Avengers Forever #9, you see that Kang is a capable leader+ Governor.

Dark Beast is a better geneticist than regular Beast, but Dark Beast doesn't have the overall scientific knowledge that his 616 counterpart has; I guess you could say Dark Beast's genius is more concentrated in one area.

Yeah, ****, if even Kitty Pryde (who I consider to be a minor genius by Comic standards) was in our actual world, she'd probably have a 160 IQ, yet various handbooks list her as gifted. As for highest recorded, it's like 216, but Leonardo Davinci is believed to have had an IQ well into the 200s.

I have a genius IQ too (148). Unfortunately, here we are...both debating the intelligence of fictional characters.

 

[KangConquers]

The Seventh Smartest person in the world. The guy we're supposed to be trying to figure out who is smarter than he is.

Apparently...but what did he do that was so special other than have Marvel say he's the 7th smartest person in the world?