Why all the hate over the flag shot?

[Man-E-Toys]

i really don't understand this. god forbid there be any patriotism anymore. i keep reading posts where people "cringe/roll there eyes" at this shot. what exactly is the problem? is it because it's the cool thing to hate America? is it because you don't think Spider-Man should be associated with America? i'm not patriotic, but i don't see why people would show disdain for this shot. i don't want this to into a political thread, although i'm sure it will. either way i'm glad Raimi included the shot.

 

[FatA$$]

beauce it wasnt a puerto rican flag is why everyone was pissed. haha. i personally like the shot.

 

[Venom 1988]

I didnt think it was a big deal either, but at the same time it seemed like the flag was just out of place.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Between the bridge scene in SM1, the flag at the end of SM1, the flags in the swing scene of SM2, the patriotic things have gotten very old. Plus, it was extremely forced. He is just swinging along and the ENTIRE background is a flag. Distracting and unneccesary.

 

[comic_guy04]

I thought it was very appropriate for a character that represents good in America and has a red, white, and blue costume to fly/jump up in front of the flag. It's one of my favorite shots of the movie.

 

[SuperFerret]

i really don't understand this. god forbid there be any patriotism anymore. i keep reading posts where people "cringe/roll there eyes" at this shot. what exactly is the problem? is it because it's the cool thing to hate America? is it because you don't think Spider-Man should be associated with America? i'm not patriotic, but i don't see why people would show disdain for this shot. i don't want this to into a political thread, although i'm sure it will. either way i'm glad Raimi included the shot.

There's really nothing wrong with it, although I can understand just how annoying 'patriotism' can get when it's crammed down your throat. It works for movie Spidey, but it doesn't with comics Spider-man.

Comics Spider-Man isn't a beloved superhero in his world, sure, he has some fans, but many people distrust and/or outright hate him. Stuff like giving him the key to the city and Spider-Man Day are more along the lines of what should be going on in Metropolis for the other guy. But, like I said, this is Movie Spider-Man, who all-in-all has a better life than comics Spider-Man, and thus it works.

 

[Eggyman]

I agree, this shot is getting some hate and I don't know why. It's a flag, just a flag. I'm English and I don't mind one bit -- what the hell is the problem about the flag . . . Spidey is based in New York, I have been there and there are plenty of American flags. NO BIG DEAL! People aren't even complaining about the CGI on the flag, they are just moaning about it because everything else has already been moaned about -- next they'll be nitpicking about the font used on the end credits.

 

[LordSimen]

Movies hardly have patriotism anymore and I'm glad that one superhero franchise still has the balls to proudly say "I'm american," so no I don't have a problem with it.

Superman Returns' 'Truth, Justice and other stuff' was the biggest cop out ever.

 

[Tempest19]

Most of those who hate it, not meaning to sound countryist, are from different countries... which actually hate us. I don't really know why. But, I know that we're hated for some reason. Foreigners are harsh.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

Eh, I have no problem with patriotism. I just found that shot incredibly cheezy, and, in the face of everything else going wrong with the film up to that point, it just made the movie feel worse.

It'd have been better placed, IMO, at the end of the film during his final swing sequence....which we never got. Lame.

 

[demitri_vampiro]

the flag is forced in that shot. it is just too obvious

 

[demitri_vampiro]

Most of those who hate it, not meaning to sound countryist, are from different countries... which actually hate us. I don't really know why. But, I know that we're hated for some reason. Foreigners are harsh.

it has something to do with the way US handles their foreign politics and policies.

 

[Ruined Angel]

I'm not against patriotism but I do think that America goes very over the top with it...though, then again, in Britian you get accussed of racism if you dare to be proud of your own country or show a hint of a Union flag, so who knows what the "right" balance is.

I just didn't see the point of the flag shot myself. Stuff like that makes America come off as extremely egotistical. I've heard the flag shot got a lot of groans from people and I can appreciate why. It's not offensive, just completely unnecessary IMHO.

 

[SuperFerret]

I thought it was very appropriate for a character that represents good in America and has a red, white, and blue costume to fly/jump up in front of the flag. It's one of my favorite shots of the movie.

Movies hardly have patriotism anymore and I'm glad that one superhero franchise still has the balls to proudly say "I'm american," so no I don't have a problem with it.

Superman Returns' 'Truth, Justice and other stuff' was the biggest cop out ever.

This is something that I've noticed, and I pointed it out in another thread earlier.

Traditionally (read as: In the comic books), Spider-Man isn't a character that represents "good in America" (nor does he has a "red, white and blue' costume, it's red and blue, the white's only in the eyes, and they don't really count, but whatever), Superman does. Spider-Man was intended to be the 'dark horse' of superheroes, where he's different from the "classic" definition of superheroes, but in the movies, he's the ONLY one who actually lives up to that standard. The placement of the flags in Spider-Man, and the "Truth, Justice, all that stuff" in Superman Returns shows that (in this case at least) the roles have been reversed, and Spider-Man is beloved by the public, where as Superman is no longer a symbol of the "American way".

The truly sad part is, while both changes are interesting and thought-provoking on paper, only Spider-Man's new-found adoration works, where as a depressed, moody toned Superman seemed to turn off a lot of viewers.

 

[Johnichi Chiba]

It just didn't feel natural. The second the flag popped up on the screen, that's all I could see.

 

[Gonking]

that shot was so unnecessary

 

[shigsy2003]

I hated the shot. It really wound me up, I mean having the whole background as the flag...ha, somebody may as well have said "here comes the predictable, unstoppable American hero out to save the world as, only Americans can". I love Spider-Man but hated that shot.

I am not meaning to diss Americans but after the millionth film of the American saving the world it gets really old.

 

[DyeLorean]

The answer is: too obvious. It should have been a detail, not the entire friggin' background. It was distracting.

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[mre]

Why couldnt they have this patriotism shot at the Spidey Day celebrations? Would made more sence to me.

 

[mre]

Also, It's like they have all this build-up to the final battle.
They keep showing how Venom made this huge web, and someones kidnapped! OK, Spidey is on his way! Here comes Spidey, swinging in to save MJ. Wait! Stop for a second. Sit in front of that American flag for a bit. OK, now go get Venom and Sandman!

 

[DyeLorean]

Don't know if this is true, but is there a law or something in the States where the flag has to appear in every movie?

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[demitri_vampiro]

Don't know if this is true, but is there a law or something in the States where the flag has to appear in every movie?

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WOW, if that's true, then it is a very stupid law

 

[Sun_Down]

It was just out of place and corny, IMO. If it had been less obvious or in a better scene, it would have been OK, but Spidey's entrance there was cheesey enough with the crowd and the reporter, so the flag was just overkill. I think I even said, "You gotta be kidding me" out loud.

 

[Sun_Down]

WOW, if that's true, then it is a very stupid law

He was quite obviously being facetious, there is no such law.

 

[DyeLorean]

Not a law for sure lol, but perhaps any rule inside the filmmaking circle, Im actually asking, I read it somewhere years ago.

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