The Last Jedi Why are some fans disappointed?

[batman1]

I'm mixed on the movie. I already saw it 3 times and will see it 3-4 more times. It's Star Wars!! I loved the great parts and was let down in other parts. I know a lot of fans are upset at the movie. Was it the big build up? Was it how they treated Luke? Please share.

 

[batman1]

The critics and fans are divded!

 

[Longshot777]

I'm mixed on the movie. I already saw it 3 times and will see it 3-4 more times. It's Star Wars!! I loved the great parts and was let down in other parts. I know a lot of fans are upset at the movie. Was it the big build up? Was it how they treated Luke? Please share.

What were the parts the let you down??

 

[Galactus123]

I would say that the biggest reason is how they treated Luke. That is the biggest reason for me at least. Response this movie has gotten is interesting. Most critics seem to like it but the reaction has been very mixed when reading forums.

 

[Tony Stark]

I think the majority of the disappointment comes from fan theories that were 100% false. I think most of it revolves around Snoke who the fans wanted to be Plagues, for some sort overall saga connecting theory, and having Rey as a reincarnation of Anakin.

There were other problems with the movie, but I think the triggered fanboy reaction is just that. They wanted this to be about what they wanted.

I liked the movie overall but I do have a problem with some of the writing that just seemed pointless and to go nowhere. Finn and Rose were on a subplot that had no real connection to the main story. Where in Empire Vader used Han and Leah to lure Luke to come to bespin and set a trap for him.

The reason this movie works is Rey, Kylo and Luke. Everything else falls apart.

 

[Mandon Knight]

It tried to be unlike any SW film that had gone before it, in many ways, believing that it had taken some 'brave' moves in shaping a new direction when actually ignoring the core values of story placement that were there to drive forward from in the first place and much like TFA it riffed on previous films, in the 'worst' way possible in some cases.

I felt it put all its eggs in one basket as far as character pay offs and conclusion points to a few of them, it strikes me as 'where do they go now ?' for IX, there are very few places they can go to conclude what's been left behind at the end of TLJ, they have to some degree, written themselves into the tiniest corner.

They have, as many studio's are, across all divisions, looking at the MCU and trying to replicate, some film series don't need or suit that template, SW certainly doesn't. In a non-comedy film, humour is difficult to present and hit home, but I felt on many occasions the direction of the humour or level of it was just 'too' much in this film. It was a 'dark' underbelly of a story, littered with funny moments that did not, for me, fit in anywhere with the context or iteration of story wishing to be told, aside from Luke's delivery and lines, his all worked for me, because they were written with previous knowledge of what had gone from before.

The biggest 'drop the ball' of this new trilogy has been the feeling of lack of impact of the on screen deaths we've experienced of older, established characters.

In TFA, I didn't feel Leia mourned too much and neither did Chewbacca of Han's loss and in this one, Lukes' passing was a 'ah well' moment, 'these things happen' approach and quickly moved on. There was no on-screen bereavement I felt, worthy of what these characters meant to the core values of they represent.

TLJ for me, simply didn't know what it wanted to be and was so far away from any relation to TFA to be seemingly a different film from a different series, all be it, with the same characters.

 

[FunkMiller]

The tyranny of expectations.

 

[The Shape]

Because they're fans.

 

[batman1]

The tyranny of expectations.

I'm level headed. But Disney to it's best to prop up the expectations!!!

 

[Grootster]

I would guess fans are disappointed for different reasons.

My main reasons are:

#1. I didn't like the treatment of Luke Skywalker. The idea that he considered [BLACKOUT]killing his nephew in his sleep[/BLACKOUT] doesn't sit well with me. Even more so, Luke didn't seem like the kind of guy who would pout and beat himself up over one mistake for years. You can tell me "people change when they get old" and all that, but it just didn't feel like a good or natural progression of the character to me. And it's really not the way I wanted to see one of my favorite characters ever portrayed. It's too much of a deconstruction.

#2. I didn't think it was a well-made movie. There were a lot of bizarre filmmaking decisions. Jarring tonal shifts, out of place humor, pointless subplots, lack of character development.

The opening goes from an over-the-top space battle filled with Marvel-style meta-jokes to a character [BLACKOUT]sacrificing herself while the fleet watches the bomber squadron go down with horrified looks on their faces[/BLACKOUT] without any natural-feeling transition. [BLACKOUT]

Luke handing Leia the Falcon dice despite the fact that they're barely visible to the audience in the OT and have no real significance to Leia in-universe[/BLACKOUT].

Rey is basically the same person she was at the start of TFA, she hasn't progressed or improved much at all.

The Canto Bight/hacker subplot goes nowhere and has no payoff.

At the end[BLACKOUT]the Resistance is stopped by a rock wall not more than three feet thick of rock (so thin you can see the light from the other side coming through the cracks). Instead of just banding together to move the rocks or shooting through them with blasters, they act hopelessly trapped until Rey shows up.[/BLACKOUT] I'm really surprised more people aren't talking about this.

Rose knows about the new tracking device technology, but no one in command has been made aware of it?

Tons of continuity errors with past movies and playing extremely fast and loose with tech and Force powers.

These are just a few, the movie is filled with bizarre story decisions and things that don't connect like these. Dare I say this is probably a worse-made and worse-characterized movie than the Prequels (aside from maybe AOTC). The truth is I can overlook and forgive some errors and shoddy writing if the movie is an overall fun and entertaining experience; but TLJ is somewhat bland, slow, and kind of miserable.

#3. It wasn't really my type of Star Wars movie. I've always liked Star Wars media that focus on fun space adventure with mysticism as a backdrop, or a small part of the story. It's not to say I dislike the Force aspect, I just don't like it to dominate the story. TLJ was way too Force-centric, and I feel like the interesting parts of the story were cut too short in favor of it. I wanted to see more of DJ hacking into the Star Destroyer, not Kylo and Rey [BLACKOUT]Skyping through the Force[/BLACKOUT] every other scene. I get that there's a whole portion of the fanbase that's really into the Force powers and whatnot, but I prefer the high-concept adventure part of Star Wars and there just wasn't enough of that.

 

[BlackFox]

Probably Luke being shown as "flawed" and Rey

Spoiler

not being related to a Skywalker/Solo/Obi-Wan/Jesus

 

[batman1]

I think the majority of the disappointment comes from fan theories that were 100% false. I think most of it revolves around Snoke who the fans wanted to be Plagues, for some sort overall saga connecting theory, and having Rey as a reincarnation of Anakin.

There were other problems with the movie, but I think the triggered fanboy reaction is just that. They wanted this to be about what they wanted.

I liked the movie overall but I do have a problem with some of the writing that just seemed pointless and to go nowhere. Finn and Rose were on a subplot that had no real connection to the main story. Where in Empire Vader used Han and Leah to lure Luke to come to bespin and set a trap for him.

The reason this movie works is Rey, Kylo and Luke. Everything else falls apart.

They pretty much killed this trilogy. SW is trilogy's.

 

[Iceman]

The critics and fans are divded!

The critics weren't divided, just fans by the looks of it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Because this is a franchise film, and every such film leaves some fans disappointed.

 

[FunkMiller]

Because this is a franchise film, and every such film leaves some fans disappointed.

Every movie sequel in every modern franchise has disappointed fans.

...except The Dark Knight. That is, of course, perfect t:

 

[BlackFox]

Every movie sequel in every modern franchise has disappointed fans.

...except The Dark Knight. That is, of course, perfect t:

The end of this film reminded me a bit of the end of TDK with Lukes voice over similar to Gary Oldmans Lt Gordan at the end of that film.

 

[batman1]

The critics weren't divided, just fans by the looks of it.

I wonder if it will make $2 bill. I wonder if the movie stalls. It'll make $1 bill easy. And I guess that's good $$. I bet it has an affect on future movies.

 

[Iceman]

I wonder if it will make $2 bill. I wonder if the movie stalls. It'll make $1 bill easy. And I guess that's good $$. I bet it has an affect on future movies.

I'm expecting it to make at least $1.5B. $2B might be a bit of a stretch as I don't expect it to match the domestic performance of TFA which was just crazy.

 

[FunkMiller]

The end of this film reminded me a bit of the end of TDK with Lukes voice over similar to Gary Oldmans Lt Gordan at the end of that film.

Ah, the old ‘Summing Up Speech With Stirring Orchestra’ routine. It’s become a trope in movies that Nolan pretty much started in TDK. Hell, he’s even reused it more than once.

 

[Greens]

Ah, the old ‘Summing Up Speech With Stirring Orchestra’ routine. It’s become a trope in movies that Nolan pretty much started in TDK. Hell, he’s even reused it more than once.

And he's still the king of that trope!

 

[FunkMiller]

And he's still the king of that trope!

I was blubbering at the end of Dunkirk, so agreed t:

 

[BlackFox]

Ah, the old ‘Summing Up Speech With Stirring Orchestra’ routine. It’s become a trope in movies that Nolan pretty much started in TDK. Hell, he’s even reused it more than once.

Nowt wrong with a trope as long as its done well and in these incidents they were. It set up Rey nicely for the final film anyway for me.

 

[batman1]

I'm expecting it to make at least $1.5B. $2B might be a bit of a stretch as I don't expect it to match the domestic performance of TFA which was just crazy.

I agree. It takes no effort for SW to make 1.5. And yes the domestic will fall. Historically it has been foreign sales that makes SW over the top. But I think the home sales are in Jeopardy. 9 is gonna be tricky. Especially with JJ not being talented in this type of thing.

 

[batman1]

Nowt wrong with a trope as long as its done well and in these incidents they were. It set up Rey nicely for the final film anyway for me.

This new SW is interesting.

 

[Frodo]

I was underwhelmed not disappointed. I wasn't crazy about TFA but I did see some clear seeds, (which Johnson clearly ditched), which had the potential to make a fresh original sequel.

While there were some things i liked ; Luke, Rey and Kylo , there were other things that bogging it down for me Finn, Rose, Del Torro, Dern, Hux the clown.

Additionally it was very similar to ESB much in the way TFA was similar to ANH so it really wasn't the bold , original,fresh evolutionary film people seem to claim it is.

So , ultimately that leaves me giving it a B-. There were seeds of potential there but not enough for me to really praise it as some bold new direction for the series.

Had it frankly just been a story focusing on Luke, Rey, Kylo and Snoke and leaving all the filler baggage out of the script, I would have liked it much more.