Comics why are they ruining spider-man?

[HoratioRome]

what is going on?
It's driving me crazy what Marvel is doing to Spider-man. I just read the latest Amazing SM where he faces Cap, and I'm just going out of my mind.
Marvel seems Hell bent on ruining Spider-man and making him into a third rate hero.
The fact is that SM is Marvel's flagship hero. he is to Marvel what Superman is to DC. HE is the best there is at what he does. The premier Marvel superhero (not the strongest or most powerfull) just the best.
so why is it that marvel insists on treating him like the new kid on the block who doesn't belongs with the "big boys". It's driving me insane.
first they had him scared to death of PEOPLE WITH GUNS in his first face off against Wolverine. never mind that he was scared of Wolverine (when in fact SM considered Wolverin a "joke").
then they had Wolverine humiliate him by stabbing him in the chest and basically establishing that he is NOTHING to Wolverine.
then they put him in the Avengers only to have him be the weak link who DOES NOTHING. he is the one needing rescuing.
Then they give him a new costume with supposed enhanced powers (which is stupid because they never maximized his powers in the first place).
and NOw they have Captain America treating him like he is no competition. SM had to go tho his suit in order to even think of facing Cap.
GIVE ME A BREAK.
Spider-man lifts 10 tons,..TEN TONS.
That means SM is stronger to Wolverine and Cap than Hulk is to Spider-Man. SPider-man is stronger than LUKE Cage for crying out loud.
In addition to that he has the reflexes and speed of a spider which makes him more than TWICE as fast as Cap and Wolvering.
Plus he is one of the most experienced warriors in the MU as he's faced off pretty much against everyone.
Not to mention that his Spider-sense warns him of danger.
oh and the webs.
Given those powers, Cap, Wolverine or any normal human level hero would not stand a chance against him. Much the same way HE would not stand a chance against the likes of Thor and SIlver Surfer.
what is Marvel doing,?
they are ruining this great character, and I'm sick of it.
with the combination of his unique powers, SM is one of the most powerfull beings on earth. his speed, combined with his strength, combined with his skill, combined with his SPIDER SENSE, makes him almost impossible to beat except by the most powerfull.
I'm sick of this.
In the old days SM struggled against the like of DD at times granted, but in those battles it was made clear that DD was out of his league, and that SM was much stronger and more powerfull than him.
Now they have SM punching away at wolverine like a child hitting a adult. with Wolverine saying "cut it out". WHAT?
SM could punch Wolverine clean througn the floor.
anyway, sorry for the rent,..I'm just way pissed.
This is it for me,.. No more Marvel for me. they can go to hell.

 

[Joker]

Blah blah blah, same thing we've heard a million times...if you dont like what they're doing, dont buy it.

 

[the Dagman]

Sounds to me like Spidey has fallen a long way from the days where he took on the likes of the Juggernaut and kicked the ass of Firelord, a former herald of Galactus.

 

[3dman27]

i'm afraid he has dagman, i'm afraid he has

 

[Ultimate Kaine]

Blah blah blah, same thing we've heard a million times...if you dont like what they're doing, dont buy it.

Surely sir, you misunderstand us lower level comic fans who feel compelled to buy the comics whether we like the way it's going or not. We do so based on such strong nostalgia but also out of hope that if we just hold on, things will get better. There's also the crack analogy. These comics are our crack. May be bad for us with their ****ty writing and haphazzard characterisation, but we will take our bad medicine all the same. Does that mean we have to shut up? No. Being able to admit what we're consuming is bad product, is winning half the battle.

To the chap above who spent 1/5 an hour of his life pouring his broken heart into an internet thread - they're ruining Spider-Man because controversy sells units. Static status does not.

 

[Dangerous]

Also he can lift 15 Tons these days.
Get it right.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Why are they ruining Spider-Man?

Because they just want to see all the comic book fans complain about it on message boards and they want to push the character into the ground so that their money maker isn't their money maker anymore. So, that Marvel comics goes out of business, and then the entire comic book industry will follow suit.

Basically, it's all just a conspiracy by Joe Quesada and JMS to destroy the comic book industry, right?

I mean, it has nothing to do with them trying to put out new and interesting and exciting stories for fans to enjoy instead of doing the same stories over and over and over and over and over and over again.

It's because Quesada hates you all and so does JMS and so does Bendis. They hate you all and want to make your lives miserable, isn't it OBVIOUS?

 

[Dragon]

I mean, it has nothing to do with them trying to put out new and interesting and exciting stories for fans to enjoy instead of doing the same stories over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Oh- so they're going to try and come up with something new and interesting? I'm looking forward to that- let me know when it happens.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Oh- so they're going to try and come up with something new and interesting? I'm looking forward to that- let me know when it happens.

The unmasking. It's new, interesting, and exciting. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't all of those things.

 

[Dragon]

The unmasking. It's new, interesting, and exciting. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't all of those things.

The same could be said for Peter being in a gay bath house getting a rub down by the Rhino. But would it be good for the character? Would it be good for the overall series?

 

[SpideyInATree]

The same could be said for Peter being in a gay bath house getting a rub down by the Rhino. But would it be good for the character? Would it be good for the overall series?

That's a little different than Peter Parker taking his mask off.

First off, why would Peter be in a gay bath house? And why would it be Rhino rubbing him down?

And no offense, but that's neither interesting nor exciting.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

yeah its a slight exaggeration, dragon, no?

 

[Dragon]

Not really- if anything, considering all the pain that Peter and his loved ones have suffered due to his previous identity reveals, the unmasking is more unlikely than the gay bath house thing I think. Afterall I never said Peter would be having sex with the Rhino.

But Peter knows first hand what his ID in the wrong hands means. Death. Someone has to die. So he'd never willingly reveal his identity.

 

[HoratioRome]

Blah blah blah, same thing we've heard a million times...if you dont like what they're doing, dont buy it.

beleive me I've stopped buying new comics a LONG time ago.

 

[HoratioRome]

Surely sir, you misunderstand us lower level comic fans who feel compelled to buy the comics whether we like the way it's going or not. We do so based on such strong nostalgia but also out of hope that if we just hold on, things will get better. There's also the crack analogy. These comics are our crack. May be bad for us with their ****ty writing and haphazzard characterisation, but we will take our bad medicine all the same. Does that mean we have to shut up? No. Being able to admit what we're consuming is bad product, is winning half the battle.

To the chap above who spent 1/5 an hour of his life pouring his broken heart into an internet thread - they're ruining Spider-Man because controversy sells units. Static status does not.

You're right but nowadays I feed my crack addiction by buying the essential books, Masterworks, and back issues.
I stay informed by reading through the books in books stores.

 

[Dragon]

And no offense, but that's neither interesting nor exciting.

Neither is the unmasking. It's been done. And its poorly handled here.

Peter, based on who we know him to be would only be unmasked if forced. And by that I mean held down and the mask pulled from his head. And this COULD lead to an interesting storyline.

 

[HoratioRome]

Why are they ruining Spider-Man?

Because they just want to see all the comic book fans complain about it on message boards and they want to push the character into the ground so that their money maker isn't their money maker anymore. So, that Marvel comics goes out of business, and then the entire comic book industry will follow suit.

Basically, it's all just a conspiracy by Joe Quesada and JMS to destroy the comic book industry, right?

I mean, it has nothing to do with them trying to put out new and interesting and exciting stories for fans to enjoy instead of doing the same stories over and over and over and over and over and over again.

It's because Quesada hates you all and so does JMS and so does Bendis. They hate you all and want to make your lives miserable, isn't it OBVIOUS?

You sir are not very smart. Otherwise you would have noticed that my complaint ISN't ABOUT the "stories" that "they" are "putting out", but rather HOW does stories are being put out. The FACTUAL mistakes and innacuracies WITHIN the stories.
FURTHERMORE, if the intent was to put interesting stories for people to enjoy, well these "interesting stories" they are coming up with are also ruining the character.
By turning Spider-man into a third rate punk, you lessen him. and I hope you will agree that you do not maximize the appeal of a character by lessening him. or by making him into a punk.
They are having Spider-man get his butt kicked IN the Spider-man comics. how many people are going to becomes fans of such a character?
imagine having the Hulk getting punched out by Spider-man IN A HULK COMIC? stupid or "interesting story"?
Yeah I believe there IS a conspiracy. I believe that the generation that grew up around the 80's were Wolverine fans who hated Spider-man. I believe THEY are now the ones writing these books and are subconsciously getting back at SM.
How else do you explain Spider-man who is more than 40 TIMES stronger, more than TWICE as fast, just as great a warrior, just as skilled a fighter than Cap and Wolverine,. getting his butt kicked by them.

 

[14k london spider]

Why are they ruining Spider-Man?

Because they just want to see all the comic book fans complain about it on message boards and they want to push the character into the ground so that their money maker isn't their money maker anymore. So, that Marvel comics goes out of business, and then the entire comic book industry will follow suit.

Basically, it's all just a conspiracy by Joe Quesada and JMS to destroy the comic book industry, right?

I mean, it has nothing to do with them trying to put out new and interesting and exciting stories for fans to enjoy instead of doing the same stories over and over and over and over and over and over again.

It's because Quesada hates you all and so does JMS and so does Bendis. They hate you all and want to make your lives miserable, isn't it OBVIOUS?

did you even read the first post? there's nothing new interesting or exciting about suddenly making spider-man look like a rank amatuer with no greater powers than a peak human. This, right after an 'interesting' story which just powered him up by five tons or so. I don't think anyone has anything against new or interesting stories, but don't do something as pathetic as temporarily bring spidey down to Cap's power level just to further that story. that's lazy ****ty writing right there. The same conclusion of that issue could be reached without making spidey a pussy, but being true to the characters abilities. Take that shiet about "he's studied all my moves, my only chance is my new tenticles he hasn't studied" and shove it up JMS's ass. All the 'move-studying' in the world isn't going to overcome a 15 ton strength advantage, superhuman speed, backed-upped by a pre cognitive sense.

I liked the issue, but the only way i could reconcile that fight was that spidey wasn't really trying, since we know from spider-man history that he has huge respect for cap and in his heart would never go for this piece of legislation anyway.

 

[14k london spider]

You sir are not very smart. Otherwise you would have noticed that my complaint ISN't ABOUT the "stories" that "they" are "putting out", but rather HOW does stories are being put out. The FACTUAL mistakes and innacuracies WITHIN the stories.
FURTHERMORE, if the intent was to put interesting stories for people to enjoy, well these "interesting stories" they are coming up with are also ruining the character.
By turning Spider-man into a third rate punk, you lessen him. and I hope you will agree that you do not maximize the appeal of a character by lessening him. or by making him into a punk.
They are having Spider-man get his butt kicked IN the Spider-man comics. how many people are going to becomes fans of such a character?
imagine having the Hulk getting punched out by Spider-man IN A HULK COMIC? stupid or "interesting story"?
Yeah I believe there IS a conspiracy. I believe that the generation that grew up around the 80's were Wolverine fans who hated Spider-man. I believe THEY are now the ones writing these books and are subconsciously getting back at SM.
How else do you explain Spider-man who is more than 40 TIMES stronger, more than TWICE as fast, just as great a warrior, just as skilled a fighter than Cap and Wolverine,. getting his butt kicked by them.

clearly what i was thinking

 

[ragingdemon155]

You sir are not very smart. Otherwise you would have noticed that my complaint ISN't ABOUT the "stories" that "they" are "putting out", but rather HOW does stories are being put out. The FACTUAL mistakes and innacuracies WITHIN the stories.
FURTHERMORE, if the intent was to put interesting stories for people to enjoy, well these "interesting stories" they are coming up with are also ruining the character.
By turning Spider-man into a third rate punk, you lessen him. and I hope you will agree that you do not maximize the appeal of a character by lessening him. or by making him into a punk.
They are having Spider-man get his butt kicked IN the Spider-man comics. how many people are going to becomes fans of such a character?
imagine having the Hulk getting punched out by Spider-man IN A HULK COMIC? stupid or "interesting story"?
Yeah I believe there IS a conspiracy. I believe that the generation that grew up around the 80's were Wolverine fans who hated Spider-man. I believe THEY are now the ones writing these books and are subconsciously getting back at SM.
How else do you explain Spider-man who is more than 40 TIMES stronger, more than TWICE as fast, just as great a warrior, just as skilled a fighter than Cap and Wolverine,. getting his butt kicked by them.

Spider-man being beaten by "lesser" foes is nothing new. This has been happening since he was first conceived. Inconsistent writing is a part of comics. It's always been around and will always be around. I don't know where the heck your getting this whole "it just started and its a conspiracy" theory now.

When did Spider-man actually get his butt kicked by Wolverine or Cap in recent history for that matter? I'm really just curious as to what your referring to cause it seems like your just blowing steam rather then actually thinking about what your saying.

 

[ragingdemon155]

did you even read the first post? there's nothing new interesting or exciting about suddenly making spider-man look like a rank amatuer with no greater powers than a peak human. This, right after an 'interesting' story which just powered him up by five tons or so. I don't think anyone has anything against new or interesting stories, but don't do something as pathetic as temporarily bring spidey down to Cap's power level just to further that story. that's lazy ****ty writing right there. The same conclusion of that issue could be reached without making spidey a pussy, but being true to the characters abilities. Take that shiet about "he's studied all my moves, my only chance is my new tenticles he hasn't studied" and shove it up JMS's ass. All the 'move-studying' in the world isn't going to overcome a 15 ton strength advantage, superhuman speed, backed-upped by a pre cognitive sense.

I liked the issue, but the only way i could reconcile that fight was that spidey wasn't really trying, since we know from spider-man history that he has huge respect for cap and in his heart would never go for this piece of legislation anyway.

Why are people acting like this is something new though? I don't get that. During the Stan Lee days SPider-man was getting hit by Kingpin. Jeez, come on now. This isn't something new. The character gets mishandled alot but Stan Lee was doing it and so on, it's always been that way. People shouldn't try to pin it on the current team like " Damn this is what they've started".

 

[Spider-Kurt!]

Unfortunately, sometimes writers boost up other characters abilities at Spider-Man's expence. It's true that certain characters shouldn't last 3 panels against Peter Parker but especially now that Marvel has their own movie company(as well as other comics to sell),expect everybody with an upcoming movie to kick his rear.

 

[Dangerous]

The same could be said for Peter being in a gay bath house getting a rub down by the Rhino. But would it be good for the character? Would it be good for the overall series?

Hhahahahah, exactly.

Spidey unmasking betrays who Spider-man is, the character and just helps to further destroy the mythos. All Marvel's current 'new and exciting ideas' basically involve nothing but sensationalistic destructive swipes at the character that serve only to crap all over the cornerstones that define who SM actually is.
That's not exciting it just basically means that they don't know who SM is and need to jump the hell off the books.

 

[3dman27]

Hhahahahah, exactly.

Spidey unmasking betrays who Spider-man is, the character and just helps to further destroy the mythos. All Marvel's current 'new and exciting ideas' basically involve nothing but sensationalistic destructive swipes at the character that serve only to crap all over the cornerstones that define who SM actually is.
That's not exciting it just basically means that they don't know who SM is and need to jump the hell off the books.

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[boywonder13]

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