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Comics why are they ruining spider-man?

VuMania said:
I agree with your assertion. Basically, the writers/editors are using the popularity of their most famous character to raise the status of their other characters. What's the best way to show that Cap is the finest hand-to-hand combatant on Earth? Have him humiliate an opponent that is far stronger and faster than him. What's the best way to show that Wolverine is the best he is at what he does? Having him seriously hurt a teammate during a routine training exercise. The premise being that if Wolverine were really serious, Spider-Man would be dead.

Don't get me wrong, both Cap and Wolverine possess more knowledge of hand-to-hand than Spidey, but his superior strength, speed, agility, precognitive spider-sense and own combative experience should give him the edge. We're not talking about a rank amateur here. Spider-Man has at least a decade (as measure by the Marvel Universe....not our own timeline) of fighting experience. He is well verse on how to use his powers to the utmost degree.

To those who argue that inconsistencies have been prevalent throughout Spider-Man career, I wholeheartedly agree. Spider-Man has been "humbled" by the likes of "Mirage" (anybody remember that character?), Spot and the Trapster (Paste-Hot-Pete). That doesn't mean that we as fans should be "consistent" in our tolerance of these mistakes. WE ARE THE FAN BASE! If the character is written out of context, than we have every right to voice our disapproval.

I'm not sure how much longer this run of "B-List" Spider-Man will last. I feel that that as absurd as this may be, the editors/writers feel that if they write Spider-Man to his true potential, he will lose some of his fan base/revenue. In the end, it's all about sales and profits.

well said. I would add that not only is SM no rank amateur, we forget that he is Marvel's PREMIER superhero. The best "pound for pound" in the MU. he is no joke.
I also agree that we should not tolerate the mistakes of the past anymore than those of the present.
I would point out that though SM has been humbled by lesser beings in the past, it is also true that SM was basically playing with them in these figths. What I mean is that though he would struggle and get humbled in one issue if/when he ever NEEDED to end a fight quickly he would do so.
he has stopped King pin, Kraven, Vulture, etc. with just one blow in the past.
This point is best illustrated in Amazing SM #143 and 143, where in one issue he is barely holding his own against scorpion. but in the next issue because Scorpion almost hurt aunt may SM beat him to a pulp and forced him to beg for mercy.

Finally though he would struggle against DD, it was also made clear that DD was out of his league.
 
ragingdemon155 said:
Writers have always downplayed Spider-man's abilities. Thats nothing new. It happened during the "Stan Lee" Era and its happening today. Some people act like this is all of a sudden something "new".

Even the "great" Stan Lee had people half Spider-man's speed and strength pummeling him at times.

I'm sorry but htis is a misconception. I get how and why people make this mistake but it is wrong none the less.
Yes it's true that Stan made mistakes by having struggle against human level people,..but he NEVER got "PUMMELED" in the Stan lee books.

Especially not the lee/Ditko books.
 
SpideyInATree said:
That's merely just your opinion, doesn't mean that it isn't exciting nor interesting to a lot of other people.



You do realize that I was joking, right? But, sure, I'm a piece of dumb **** if that makes you sleep better at night. :)

:p

Hey I was joking too then:D
 
Dragon said:
Yeah. In my opinion... So how many writers do you know that created dozens of classic characters and created a billion dollar empire?

Characters so well developed that they can survive blundering like what's going on at Marvel right now..

EXACTLY.

that's why btw it's such a mistake to copie the recent stuff for the movies and cartoons. NONE of that new or "ultimate" crap has stood the test of time or proven to be as captivating as what STAN LEE did.
and for those of you who don't know why, please pick up the Marvel essentials. the Lee/kirby/ditko ones tell you everything you need to know.
 
Listen, Spider-man hasn't been "great" recently. I get that. Sins Past was awful, The OTher was the worst Spider-man story ever and the Unmasking makes no sense but jeez, people seem to continue to focus on the negatives and not whats actually going good in teh Spider-verse right now.

SSM has been great (loving BC coming back into Spider-man's life), USM is on a really nice streak right now, the current arc in ASM has been pretty good too. And the Iron Spidey outfit is going bye bye lol.

Have Spider-man comics been better? Of coarse, they've been much better and I'm hoping some day they can reach that level again.....but this whole notion that Spider-man is "awful" at the moment. Fine, that's just opinion. I was complaining about the Spider titles too a while ago but I'm actually enjoying some of the stuff I'm reading now that are Spider related.

The Unmasking while Spider-man would never have done it...does open up some pretty interesting storyline possibilities. Besides, everyone knows that Spidey is going to get his secret identity back sooner or later so its not permanent.
 
Yes, let's focus on what is great in the Spider-Verse.

Spider-Girl ROCKS.

The end.
 
HoratioRome said:
NONE of that new or "ultimate" crap has stood the test of time or proven to be as captivating as what STAN LEE did.

They haven't had a chance to stand the "test of time" cause it's "new" as you mentioned.

Not as captivating as what Stan Lee did?

That my friend, is your opinion.
 
ragingdemon155 said:
They haven't had a chance to stand the "test of time" cause it's "new" as you mentioned.

Not as captivating as what Stan Lee did?

That my friend, is your opinion.
I don't think it is as you will find just as many people who "hate" the latest story arcs as those who love them.
The stan Lee stories were so magical they spread like wild fire. accepted and loved by comic readers and non readers alike.
To THIS day when the Lee stories are duplicated and retold they are loved and accepted.
so no, it's not just an opinion.
 
Doc Destruction said:
SIAT - The unmasking has been done. With the same character. In USM. NOT exciting, NOT fresh. NOT new. STILL lame.

The regular universe Spider-Man hasn't been through it, and now he's going through it. It's new. I think it's exciting. I think it's interesting. You, OBVIOUSLY, disagree doesn't mean that it's a fact, brotha.
 
HoratioRome said:
I don't think it is as you will find just as many people who "hate" the latest story arcs as those who love them.
The stan Lee stories were so magical they spread like wild fire. accepted and loved by comic readers and non readers alike.
To THIS day when the Lee stories are duplicated and retold they are loved and accepted.
so no, it's not just an opinion.
no it is NOT
 
ragingdemon155 said:
The Unmasking while Spider-man would never have done it...does open up some pretty interesting storyline possibilities.

Which are? Spidey's villains now attack him at work and at home. An old girlfriend writes a tell-all book.

How many times will that be utilized? How long before that gets tired? How idiotic is it that Spider-Man would continue to work at a school where such a danger becomes so obvious?
 
Dragon said:
Which are? Spidey's villains now attack him at work and at home. An old girlfriend writes a tell-all book.

How many times will that be utilized? How long before that gets tired? How idiotic is it that Spider-Man would continue to work at a school where such a danger becomes so obvious?

Amen.

We'll get some great stories....and then the fact that Peter can't have a supporting cast that doesn't consist of fellow superheroes will ineviitably drag the book into the gutters. Peter's civilian life, his "everyman" status, hinged on his attempts to balance a normal, everyday life with his life as a costumed adventurer. Now that is gone. He's just Spider-Man, now, and Peter Parker may as well be dead.:(
 
What are the sales currently on ASM. Have they increased since all this stuff started happening.
 
To my recollection, ASM has been int he top ten or 20 selling books since the Civil War stuff started.Yet ANOTHER reason why Marvel will continue to "shock" us...people continue to buy...
 
Sales aren't the matter here... the matter is the raping of Spidey's mythos and adding supreme crap to the character... If I'm not mistaken there was a special on the History Channel regarding the history of superheroes and Joey Q is talking about the mistakes form the '90s... something about companies getting greedy by flooding the market with variant covers and long stories for TPBs and crappy mega- events for shock value... If I'm right then Joey Q is doing the same stuff that he's blaming for the crap on the '90s...
 
to answer the initial question:
because they can, and "good belivers" and "******s" continue to buy. stop complaining and do something namely: stop buying...

helps more than useless discussions on a board...

and maybe you start toread into ultimate, because they get it right...
 
Shin-Natsume said:
to answer the initial question:
because they can, and "good belivers" and "******s" continue to buy. stop complaining and do something namely: stop buying...

helps more than useless discussions on a board...

and maybe you start toread into ultimate, because they get it right...
I don't mind your post as I agree (with the first part anyway) but I do wish you'd read my other posts where I've made it clear that I DON'T buy.
I've stopped buying current comics for years now. I'm officialy on strike. I just keep up on it by skiming through the books at book stores. I think it's important to know what you're talking about before you criticize
 
Doc_OCK_4MUGEN said:
Sales aren't the matter here... the matter is the raping of Spidey's mythos and adding supreme crap to the character... If I'm not mistaken there was a special on the History Channel regarding the history of superheroes and Joey Q is talking about the mistakes form the '90s... something about companies getting greedy by flooding the market with variant covers and long stories for TPBs and crappy mega- events for shock value... If I'm right then Joey Q is doing the same stuff that he's blaming for the crap on the '90s...

AMEN brother
 
HoratioRome said:
I don't mind your post as I agree (with the first part anyway) but I do wish you'd read my other posts where I've made it clear that I DON'T buy.
I've stopped buying current comics for years now. I'm officialy on strike. I just keep up on it by skiming through the books at book stores. I think it's important to know what you're talking about before you criticize


i read. but this just makes us two... out of millions worldwide...

and while i agree woth you i realized a while back that in any forum, normal peole will read your posts if tehy are short and badly written, while long, well written posts wont be read, because people are too lazy..

sad but true
 
Shin-Natsume said:
i read. but this just makes us two... out of millions worldwide...


Ahem....I make three. I don't buy ASM nor FNSM because one revamped Spidey's origin(ASM) and one brought back Uncle Ben(FNSM).

I still read ASM at the shop, but that's it. I don't even read FNSM, so I don't complain about it much anymore.

There are plenty more on these boards who don't buy....just ask around!
 
If you bring back Uncle Ben, that makes every SM issue void and useless! He's one of the Marvel charcters that must stay dead! Who's with me on that? I never even read 1 issue of FNSM but I collect ASM.
 
Dragon said:
Which are? Spidey's villains now attack him at work and at home. An old girlfriend writes a tell-all book.

How many times will that be utilized? How long before that gets tired? How idiotic is it that Spider-Man would continue to work at a school where such a danger becomes so obvious?

Not to mention that in real life, things like this become a flash in the pan. He'd be the media story for a few month and then become a joke. Is that what marvel wants to happen to him? It would be a way to bring him to rock bottom again, but why?
 
Shin-Natsume said:
i read. but this just makes us two... out of millions worldwide...

and while i agree woth you i realized a while back that in any forum, normal peole will read your posts if tehy are short and badly written, while long, well written posts wont be read, because people are too lazy..

sad but true

you know what Nat? I think it's way more than the 4 or 5 of us. Everyone that collected comics in my day that I know personaly has walked away. Even though they still love comics and discuss them with me daily, or talk about the movies (good and bad) all the time. They don't buy, don't go the the comics shops, and don't even come on forums.
also, I collect the statues now from Bowen Designs and MANY of the other collectors have also walked away and have stopped buying.
Theyt've simply walked away. I think the "millions" are made up of THOSE guy more so than the ones buying.
That's why the overall sales volume is MUCH MUCH less than it used to be.


btw, you are right about the short and badly written posts getting read more often than the long well thought out ones. it's a shame.
 
I actually agree with you on that. People are lazy and will only read short posts.
 

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