Comics why are they ruining spider-man?

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

I stopped buying since Gwen became a ****e...

 

[USMC]

I stopped quite some time ago.

 

[Spider-Kurt!]

I stopped buying since Gwen became a ****e...

Same here

 

[Grim Goblin]

I was lucky to stop before Gwen became a ****e. I wish that could wash away the stain it made on my memorie though. But alas, it's too late for that .

maybe one day I can safely come back to the character I used to like.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I don't think it is as you will find just as many people who "hate" the latest story arcs as those who love them.
The stan Lee stories were so magical they spread like wild fire. accepted and loved by comic readers and non readers alike.
To THIS day when the Lee stories are duplicated and retold they are loved and accepted.
so no, it's not just an opinion.

Yes it is an opinion. Just because Stan Lee's stories are widely accepted by comic book fans doesn't mean there aren't people who don't like them. You're talking like every single person in the world loves it or something.

I have the ASM CD Rom collection and it has the letter pages from back then. Trust me, there were people, back then, who weren't very happy with Stan Lee and his choice of writing. In the 1960's fans really didn't have close relationships with each other as comic book fans do now. I can only imagine the amount of letters Marvel got from fans calling Stan Lee a "piece of ****", of course that's not going to get printed.

But these days with message boards fans can barrage a writer/artist/editor with ridiculous insults simply because they're favorite fictional character wasn't written to "their approval".

 

[Shin-Natsume]

well, SiaT, youre right to a degree, but what happens here is not that fans complain. What happens hereis the rape and ruin of one of the most depth comic character ever written.

in FNSM uncle ban is back. great. its like preventing batmans parrents from dying. you know what would happen to batman if that would happen-.-

in ASM the unmasking was a joke. its like: oh, so you people dont like my mask. why havent you TOLD ME EARLIER...here im lazy ass parker, come and attack the ones i lvoe because my live is so boring nowadays that i got those new freaky powers no one still knows what they exactly are-.-

thats destroying the essence. not to froget this new origin of his-.-

 

[SpideyInATree]

well, SiaT, youre right to a degree, but what happens here is not that fans complain. What happens hereis the rape and ruin of one of the most depth comic character ever written.

in FNSM uncle ban is back. great. its like preventing batmans parrents from dying. you know what would happen to batman if that would happen-.-

in ASM the unmasking was a joke. its like: oh, so you people dont like my mask. why havent you TOLD ME EARLIER...here im lazy ass parker, come and attack the ones i lvoe because my live is so boring nowadays that i got those new freaky powers no one still knows what they exactly are-.-

thats destroying the essence. not to froget this new origin of his-.-

Uncle Ben isn't back. It was from an alternate reality and he was killed at the end of it.

And the unmasking thing is your opinion. I disagree with it and, quite honestly, I'm getting tired of talking about it because I'm in the minority here and I'm trying to state my opinions and thoughts to like 10 or 15 different people and it's difficult.

But suffice to say the way you're describing it is not how it went. Read the story a little more closely and maybe you'll see something else.

 

[Fred_Fury]

civil war is a joke.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Why is it a joke?

And are you going to at least stick around for the punchline, or what?

 

[3dman27]

well, SiaT, youre right to a degree, but what happens here is not that fans complain. What happens hereis the rape and ruin of one of the most depth comic character ever written.

in FNSM uncle ban is back. great. its like preventing batmans parrents from dying. you know what would happen to batman if that would happen-.-

in ASM the unmasking was a joke. its like: oh, so you people dont like my mask. why havent you TOLD ME EARLIER...here im lazy ass parker, come and attack the ones i lvoe because my live is so boring nowadays that i got those new freaky powers no one still knows what they exactly are-.-

thats destroying the essence. not to froget this new origin of his-.-

which any spidey fan in his right mind REFUSES TO RECOGNIZE

 

[HoratioRome]

Yes it is an opinion. Just because Stan Lee's stories are widely accepted by comic book fans doesn't mean there aren't people who don't like them. You're talking like every single person in the world loves it or something.

I have the ASM CD Rom collection and it has the letter pages from back then. Trust me, there were people, back then, who weren't very happy with Stan Lee and his choice of writing. In the 1960's fans really didn't have close relationships with each other as comic book fans do now. I can only imagine the amount of letters Marvel got from fans calling Stan Lee a "piece of ****", of course that's not going to get printed.

But these days with message boards fans can barrage a writer/artist/editor with ridiculous insults simply because they're favorite fictional character wasn't written to "their approval".

There is a difference. Fans that complained during the Lee days would be discussing something within the story line they didn't like. Theywould say the stories are not action packed enough, or perhaps that the art wasn't as good. They may have complained about something Peter may or may not have done.
Though the same thing is going now, the difference is that many people reject the WHOLE premise. They don't like the ultimates at all for example and don't buy it. they are not complaining about what's happening IN the storyline, they are stepping out of it and are complaining about what's happening in the industry. They are saying that what's Marvel is currently doing doesn't work. Isn't attractive. isn't appealing.
The old complaints were evidence of how attached we were to the comics. The new complaints show evidence of how distant we are.

 

[CConn]

well, SiaT, youre right to a degree, but what happens here is not that fans complain. What happens hereis the rape and ruin of one of the most depth comic character ever written.

in FNSM uncle ban is back. great. its like preventing batmans parrents from dying. you know what would happen to batman if that would happen-.-

Batman's parents have been prevented from dying in alternate realities just like Uncle Ben was.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Yes it is an opinion. Just because Stan Lee's stories are widely accepted by comic book fans doesn't mean there aren't people who don't like them. You're talking like every single person in the world loves it or something.

I have the ASM CD Rom collection and it has the letter pages from back then. Trust me, there were people, back then, who weren't very happy with Stan Lee and his choice of writing. In the 1960's fans really didn't have close relationships with each other as comic book fans do now. I can only imagine the amount of letters Marvel got from fans calling Stan Lee a "piece of ****", of course that's not going to get printed.

But these days with message boards fans can barrage a writer/artist/editor with ridiculous insults simply because they're favorite fictional character wasn't written to "their approval".

Well said....

Pretty much took the words right out of my mouth. Some fans seem to think that Stan Lee is loved by every single Spider-man fan.

Stan Lee was a good writer but I enjoy other writers work much more over his in terms of Spider-man. The thing is though, if I say that then I'm not a "true" Spider-man fan. Heh, go figure.

 

[DACrowe]

I love Stan Lee's stories very much. In fact I think the Lee/Romita years were probably the best ofr the character (though I think Conaway took it to its limit and then moved it into a new great direction very well).

But I think there have been some great contributions by later writers that took the character forward in interesting directions (I know some disagree with this notion though).

But let's just say this is not that time. I just quit buying and subscribing after Sins Past and since then have only picked up a few issues of ASM and FNSM after the unmasking in Civil War, hated it and am staying away again. I also read The Other but luckily I didn't buy the issues.

Oh well though.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Well said....

Pretty much took the words right out of my mouth. Some fans seem to think that Stan Lee is loved by every single Spider-man fan.

Stan Lee was a good writer but I enjoy other writers work much more over his in terms of Spider-man. The thing is though, if I say that then I'm not a "true" Spider-man fan. Heh, go figure.

And some people seem to forget that Stan Lee didn't exactly do EVERYTHING when it came to Spider-Man. He didn't design Spider-Man, Steve Ditko did. He didn't even PLOT Spider-Man, he just wrote the dialogue.

So, really a lot of the credit could be given to Steve Ditko and John Romita Sr. more than Stan Lee...at least when it came to Spider-Man and the early years.

There is a difference. Fans that complained during the Lee days would be discussing something within the story line they didn't like. Theywould say the stories are not action packed enough, or perhaps that the art wasn't as good. They may have complained about something Peter may or may not have done.
Though the same thing is going now, the difference is that many people reject the WHOLE premise. They don't like the ultimates at all for example and don't buy it. they are not complaining about what's happening IN the storyline, they are stepping out of it and are complaining about what's happening in the industry. They are saying that what's Marvel is currently doing doesn't work. Isn't attractive. isn't appealing.
The old complaints were evidence of how attached we were to the comics. The new complaints show evidence of how distant we are.

You're right, there is a difference. The difference that I see is that in the 1960's and the 1970's the comic readers didn't have that glimpse into the comic book industry that readers do these days. What with Wizard magazine, newsarama, and various other comic book news sites fans have a more in depth view of the industry, the creators, and the other people behind the scenes.

Trust me, I read a lot of those old letters and some of those letters were just about on the level as some of these posts about "You're ruining Spider-Man". Hell, I believe one guy went on about how Stan Lee was ruining Spider-Man already during when Green Goblin unmasked Peter. And that is well received these days.

Just like in the 90's with the Clone Saga. All Spider-Man fans did back then was do what they do now with the unmasking. But 10 years later I see more and more and more posters widely accepting the Clone Saga as a good storyline. Just because a good handful of posters here, on this little corner of the message board world and the miniscule portion of the comic book fandom, agree that Spider-Man is being ruined doesn't mean that it's what the majority opinion is among ALL OF THE FANS.