Why Can't DC Get it right?

[Docker2.0]

Absolutely true, but when it applies to me then we can call bullcrap.


In terms of flagship heroes, no doubt Marvel is further ahead. In terms of comic book properties in general, they really are pretty even. I will reference this post that clearly outlines where each studio is at. Results speak for themselves.


Box office is not an indication of word of mouth. It's opening weekend vs. successive weeks. AKA week-by-week dropoffs. Of the Spidey films, SM3 had the steepest drops. It's WOM was nowhere near as good as the first two.


It's a factor, and it's even less of a factor when applied to franchises and sequels. I don't know why people keep ignoring the fact that sequels leech off the success/failures of their predecessors. There are literally dozens of examples showcasing this.

SM3 is in the top 10 for biggest 2nd weekend and top 15 for 3rd weekends. WOM was nowhere near as bad as you are saying. And why are you making this a Marvel vs. DC thing? Noone is saying Marvel is perfect, just saying that DC/WB needs to get it together before it's to late. By sitting on the goldmines like Flash, GA, WW(yuck), and JLA, they are missing a golden opportunity. By making movies like the Losers and some of the Vertigo line, is not making a lot of sense. It's great exposure but it's like bringing a pistol to a war. Sure it comes in handy but if you want to do some damage, you bring out the oozie and make some noise.

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

SM3 is in the top 10 for biggest 2nd weekend and top 15 for 3rd weekends. WOM was nowhere near as bad as you are saying. And why are you making this a Marvel vs. DC thing? Noone is saying Marvel is perfect, just saying that DC/WB needs to get it together before it's to late. By sitting on the goldmines like Flash, GA, WW(yuck), and JLA, they are missing a golden opportunity. By making movies like the Losers and some of the Vertigo line, is not making a lot of sense. It's great exposure but it's like bringing a pistol to a war. Sure it comes in handy but if you want to do some damage, you bring out the oozie and make some noise.

yes

and Wonder Woman's awesome, don't hate

 

[BlackLantern]

I like Wonder Woman, but I think WB is scared to dump 100+mil into a WW movie and not get it back....the last film franchise with a female lead to score 100+ mil were the Tomb Raider films

 

[Docker2.0]

I have nothing against WW, but I(personally)don't think she'd do well at the BO. They can't get her right in comics, how the heck will they get her right in the movies. That said, at least give her a shot because she is one of your biggest names. But they don't seem confident in anything outside of a bat or a big s.

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

well I never read her comics, but they sure as hell got her right in the Justice League cartoons and the animated Wonder Woman 2009 movie. So I know damn well they can get her right on screen in live action as well

and truth, DC aren't confident in any superhero's not sporting the bat insignia or the S shield.

 

[BlackLantern]

but the animated film did not sell as well as WB/DC had hoped....even killing plans for a Batgirl feature and/or possible sequel

 

[Webhead2006]

yea it sucks for the whole female deal films, i really think ww probably would have shined the best in the 80s or early/mid 90s.

 

[Hound55]

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a Question movie...

Best thing is, you could spend as much or as little as you like there... Could make a nice little low budget Question movie and get a tidy solid little return from it...

 

[Crook]

SM3 is in the top 10 for biggest 2nd weekend and top 15 for 3rd weekends. WOM was nowhere near as bad as you are saying.

Do me a favor. Do not bring up WOM if you're not prepared to or have the knowledge in backing up what you are talking about. You're constantly referring to pure quantity when it has no relation to the subject at hand. Once more, word of mouth relies on audience feedback in accordance to what a film makes opening week. Therefore, you look at percentage drop-offs to see how a film is being received. Avatar is a good example of tremendous legs and WOM because of how consistently well it did on a week-by-week basis. X3 and SM3 are examples of films that are incredibly frontloaded, hence the major loads of money they made out the gate, but they dropped off way steeper than any of their previous films. That is an indication of poor reception .

And why are you making this a Marvel vs. DC thing? Noone is saying Marvel is perfect, just saying that DC/WB needs to get it together before it's to late.

Do me another favor. Read the damn thread. I cannot believe you just accused me of making this Marvel vs. DC. This is probably my fifth time saying they're both on fairly even ground. It's you guys that want to make such a dividing line between the two. It's the sole reason why this thread even exists. You cannot go a single page reading through this thread without Marvel's name being mentioned. Direct your question elsewhere.

 

[Docker2.0]

Do me a favor. Do not bring up WOM if you're not prepared to or have the knowledge in backing up what you are talking about. You're constantly referring to pure quantity when it has no relation to the subject at hand. Once more, word of mouth relies on audience feedback in accordance to what a film makes opening week. Therefore, you look at percentage drop-offs to see how a film is being received. Avatar is a good example of tremendous legs and WOM because of how consistently well it did on a week-by-week basis. X3 and SM3 are examples of films that are incredibly frontloaded, hence the major loads of money they made out the gate, but they dropped off way steeper than any of their previous films. That is an indication of poor reception .


Do me another favor. Read the damn thread. I cannot believe you just accused me of making this Marvel vs. DC. This is probably my fifth time saying they're both on fairly even ground. It's you guys that want to make such a dividing line between the two. It's the sole reason why this thread even exists. You cannot go a single page reading through this thread without Marvel's name being mentioned. Direct your question elsewhere.

I did. http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman3.htm


And you are the one who seems to bash Marvel movie then hide your hand and say it wasn't me. Both Marvel and DC made some f-ed up movies and again, the quantity over quality thing is just an excuse. Again, this WOM thing you keep speaking of is among fanboys because every non-fan I know liked SM3, it's only comic fans that bash it to oblivion. If you don't like what I'm saying, then ignore my post but if you look over the past two pages, my theme has been the same.

 

[Crook]

Oh my lord.

Spider-Man 1: -41.4% , -35.6%
Spider-Man 2: +129% , -54.9%
Spider-Man 3: -60.8% , -49.1%

Those are the percentage numbers of the second and third week compared to the opening weekend. Now I hope you have eyes, because you can clearly see the third film didn't have as good of a drop the first two did. Maybe you're right that I'm living in a fantasy world where most people liked SM3, I guess we'll have to see how well SM4 does so---oh...wait...

I will once again reference this point. That's an entire list of what DC/MARVEL have done. If this is about quality...they are even. If this is about quantity...they are even. Wow, I'm such a DC fanboy for pointing this out!

For whatever reason you, like others, are in some huge rush just to see anything done for your favorite characters. I'm glad none of you guys are heads of the film department because I would have likely been stuck with a surplus of worthless films. You want to have something instead of nothing, fine. But do not condemn those that can wait for quality. I'd ask for you to explain how that is an excuse, but I honestly do not want to know the roots of such backwards logic.

 

[Docker2.0]

Eh. I can admit I'm wrong, even though SM3 was still one of the biggest BO performers of all time. Still can't wait for GL and can't wait for Thor, heck I can't even wait for XO:W2. Call me a comic book fanatic but I'm just a homie who loves comics.

 

[BlackLantern]

because people who run studios aren't fans, they care about the almighty dollar and appeal....if it gets made and it makes money, other things have a better chance of getting made.... I was reading today the the Ghost Rider sequel has a good chance of getting made

and yes there are instances where I am grateful to have something instead of nothing

 

[Red Mask]

I have nothing against WW, but I(personally)don't think she'd do well at the BO. They can't get her right in comics, how the heck will they get her right in the movies. That said, at least give her a shot because she is one of your biggest names. But they don't seem confident in anything outside of a bat or a big s.

The animated movie wasn't great either. I waited a year to see it but couldn't find myself finishing it.

Maybe if they did Stan Lee's Just Imagine version they could have less baggage do work with. I wouldn't mind a Peruvian Wonder Woman.

 

[Docker2.0]

Tell me about this Peruvian WW......big boobs or what? Nah seriously, I've heard about the Stan Lee imagined story line...is it better than the DC version?

 

[Hound55]

because people who run studios aren't fans, they care about the almighty dollar and appeal....if it gets made and it makes money, other things have a better chance of getting made.... I was reading today the the Ghost Rider sequel has a good chance of getting made

and yes there are instances where I am grateful to have something instead of nothing

I agree, which is all the more reason to go and make a safe film with a character who doesn't NEED a big budget for a quality plausible film.

Like the Question...

 

[BlackLantern]

Id love to see it, but I wouldn't hold my breath

 

[Docker2.0]

What is people's obsession with the Question? I'd rather see Green Arrow myself.

 

[BlackLantern]

you could do a cool conspiracy thing with The Question, but he has no face and I don't see the GA going for that

I don't think they would "get it"

 

[lespaul59]

Then you have very poor standards.

Go ahead and ask the Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Wolverine, and Spider-Man fans if they were happy their respective bad films got released just so they got their cinematic turn. Then ask if they had rather not gotten them at all, in return for hope that the right creative team would get a shot at it.

what I was trying to say was I would rather WB/DC take a chance on say Aquaman, Wonder Woman and Flash and end up with a good but not great movie insted of never having them at all. Maybe I am easily entertained but I still would rather have an average WW movie to watch than only have the option of watching the tv show or one cartoon that we got. And one thing I don't think WB/DC would ever is make a movie and it break even or do maybe a little better than even, then insted of throwing the project away go back and give it another shot like Marvel did with Hulk. I think the worst thing about WB/DC is the fact that the animated movie/tv show tend to do the characters spot on. Yes I know there is a difference between animation and film, but at the same time a good story is a good story. I also don't see why WB/DC doesn't give Bruce Timm and his crew a chance to do a movie. Maybe not direct and produce but at least write and kinda over see the production.

 

[jmc]

WB should take a chance, when they've got all the ingredients together to make a great movie. I really don't get the acceptance of mediocrity. You're paying your hard earn money to watch theses films, you should be demanding quality. What good is a half arsed version of a character, it's only ever gonna be subject to ridicule and fan division afterward. This must be a comic book mentality due to the frequency of issues, that's the only reason I can think of as to why some would forgo quality.

 

[Heretic]

If you can't hit a home run with quality, dont bother making it.

Lets face it...if Wonder Woman was made right now...Megan Fox would get the role.

You'd have a director who specializes in explosions over story, it would be a mess.

So, why do it? Perhaps one day a great director will come along with an idea, and a perfect actress to play the role. Until then, dont do it.

 

[BlackLantern]

WB should take a chance, when they've got all the ingredients together to make a great movie. I really don't get the acceptance of mediocrity. You're paying your hard earn money to watch theses films, you should be demanding quality. What good is a half arsed version of a character, it's only ever gonna be subject to ridicule and fan division afterward. This must be a comic book mentality due to the frequency of issues, that's the only reason I can think of as to why some would forgo quality.

and those are two sides of the same coin, you have some fans that will never be happy regardless and some that are happy to see the character on screen...and those people amount to maybe 5 percent of the movie going populace

 

[BlackLantern]

If you can't hit a home run with quality, dont bother making it.

Lets face it...if Wonder Woman was made right now...Megan Fox would get the role.

I don't know about that, but I do think these movies are burdened with being looked at as products and not films

So, why do it? Perhaps one day a great director will come along with an idea, and a perfect actress to play the role. Until then, dont do it.

and if wishes were horses, we'd all be knee deep in ****

 

[Heretic]

Obviously there is no "perfect" actress for Wonder Woman...because everyone would nitpick her height, build, hotness etc...but all I really want is someone who can act, is convincingly tough enough (which means 99.9% of Hollywood actresses would have to hit the gym) and looks enough like Wonder Woman for me to imagine it for 2 hours.

And DC just did a movie...and Megan Fox got the female lead role. So, obviously she's at the top of their casting lists.

This is why I think you should go young...more of a Wonder Girl...and in the first movie she is proving herself. That way you can get away with a less muscular build to get those of us who want a butt-kicker used to the actress.