Why Can't DC Get it right?

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

not surprising. The movie looks like ass and smells like ****

 

[Mr. Earle]

nope, and not a whole lot of people liked it. i haven't seen it but my pal saw it (without me, that bastardo)and he didn't like it. and he has great taste in movies.

For a film that's about one of the most famous folklore characters in history, has two Academy Award winners in the lead, is directed by Ridley Scott and cost over $200 million, it's an appalling reception even given the bad reviews it's gotten.

I havent seen it yet, but i was hoping that it would be good. I watched Centurion and hated it but all the critics liked it. So i guess i'm gonna love RH...

Btw, i watched the trailers and it seems like English knights had those ships that the allies used to deploy troops at the beaches of Normandy. I was like "WTF?"

 

[MadVillainy]

Just because Robin Hood did bad doesnt mean GA wouldnt do well. Its not like people said: "Robin Hood has bows and arrows so its not good".

Slightly OT: I didnt see it but I heard archery was barely even in Robin Hood

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

of course, it wasn't that Robin Hood shoots bows and arrows that the GA didn't like the movie, IT WAS THE LACK OF that the audience didn't like, and I called it. Screw this film, bring on Green Arrow

 

[MadVillainy]

of course, it wasn't that Robin Hood shoots bows and arrows that the GA didn't like the movie, IT WAS THE LACK OF that the audience didn't like, and I called it. Screw this film, bring on Green Arrow

None of that p***y Smallville stuff or that stupid SuperMax stuff either, bring on the real Emerald Archer

Difference being that IM and Batman actually have cool gadgets and personalities. GA has a varied arsenal, but no matter how much you try to jazz it up they are still bows and arrows. When was the last time those were cool?

Green Arrow has personality as much as Stark or Wayne...its clear in most of his comics or even the DCAU

as far as trick arrows being corny: so many more "corny" things have been made awesome. Such as a guy wearing underwear outside his suit or a guy fighting with a ricocheting shield or a guy with pointy ears jumping on rooftops or a girl who uses a magic lasso.

Anything can be seen as corny in the wrong hands, anything can be badass in the right hands

DCE could absolutely go full out with a badass Aquaman movie. If the film was promoted in a way that showed his strength, regalness, and "eco-warrior/ defender of the seas" attributes the public would eat that $@&! up. Completely. All the jokes would fall by the wayside with a well done film.

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

Anything can be seen as corny in the wrong hands, anything can be badass in the right hands

Truth, I say this about a lot of things

 

[The Batman]

I used to think Green Arrow didnt deserve a movie...but now I think he definetely does. He would practically have the non-powered badass-ness of Batman combined with the obnoxious, yet lovable personality type that RDJ has as tony stark. Not to mention the freaking Arrows.

 

[Heretic]

Green Arrow, as far as the general public is concerned, might as well be Robin Hood.

The Robin Hood movie...made by one of the top directors in Hollywood...starring a very famous and respected actor...is bombing at the box office.

Now is not the time to be thinking Green Arrow.

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

^I highly doubt just because ONE movie based on an archer, that hardly has any archery in it, is bombing, doesn't mean that a Green Arrow movie would bomb as well.

If you make it right, and promote it right, it will be a success.

I say now's the best time more than any to bring Green Arrow to the big screen, especially since the character has recently been promoted on the small screen (Smallville/Justice Leage Unlimited). People are becoming more aware of him now more than ever

IT'S TIME........

 

[Mr. Earle]

I dont know about a Green Arrow movie. He doesnt have the potential for spectacular fight scenes so i doubt that he can draw the general audience.

A Green Arrow-Black Canary tv series could work though, just as long as its more like L&C and less like Failsville.

 

[Evil Twin]

Green Arrow, as far as the general public is concerned, might as well be Robin Hood.

The Robin Hood movie...made by one of the top directors in Hollywood...starring a very famous and respected actor...is bombing at the box office.

Now is not the time to be thinking Green Arrow.

I'm not sure I'd call a film on track to make more than $100 million domestic and significantly more than that overseas a bomb. Robin Hood crosses cultural boundaries and doesn't need a lot of elaborate explanations.

Considering superheroes tend not to perform as strongly overseas, Robin Hood as superhero might be more attractive overseas than Captain America. At least audiences would get the basic concept.

 

[Octoberist]

as long as Brad Pitt still long young looking, he would be a decent Oliver Queen.

 

[MadVillainy]

Green Arrow, as far as the general public is concerned, might as well be Robin Hood.

The Robin Hood movie...made by one of the top directors in Hollywood...starring a very famous and respected actor...is bombing at the box office.

Now is not the time to be thinking Green Arrow.

^I highly doubt just because ONE movie based on an archer, that hardly has any archery in it, is bombing, doesn't mean that a Green Arrow movie would bomb as well.

If you make it right, and promote it right, it will be a success.

I say now's the best time more than any to bring Green Arrow to the big screen, especially since the character has recently been promoted on the small screen (Smallville/Justice Leage Unlimited). People are becoming more aware of him now more than ever

IT'S TIME........

exactly Robin Hood wasnt unsuccessful because it was an archery film. It was unc=successful because the buzz about the film is that its boring and that it doesnt feature the Robin Hood everyone knows (the one that does amazing trick shots)

I dont know about a Green Arrow movie. He doesnt have the potential for spectacular fight scenes so i doubt that he can draw the general audience.

A Green Arrow-Black Canary tv series could work though, just as long as its more like L&C and less like Failsville.

Great action scenes for Green Arrow are easy to come up with:

• Oliver versus the drug ring on the island he gets stranded on before he becomes Green Arrow.
• A Black Canary and/or Green Arrow motorcycle chase
• Arrow "shootout" with Merlyn
• Green Arrow vs Black Canary
• Hand to Hand battle with Costatine Drakon
• Guns vs Arrows shootout with Onomatopoeia
• Green Arrow vs muggers, robbers, corrupt police, corrupt gov't agents etc.
• Black Canary vs criminals

Now those dont all need to be in one film, but Iron Man had like 4 or 5 action scenes? Green Arrow could have a good amount of action scenes.

And I have to vote no for a TV show. GA isnt that obscure/not known that he would need a TV show to boost popularity. And Im just not a fan of superhero live action shows especially not for a hero like Green Arrow

I'm not sure I'd call a film on track to make more than $100 million domestic and significantly more than that overseas a bomb. Robin Hood crosses cultural boundaries and doesn't need a lot of elaborate explanations.

Considering superheroes tend not to perform as strongly overseas, Robin Hood as superhero might be more attractive overseas than Captain America. At least audiences would get the basic concept.

since when

 

[Mr. Earle]

They would be action scenes but they wouldnt be anything spectacular. He'd punch some guys and shoot some arrows, she'd use her voice, and that would be all. How could this movie compete with freaking Batman, flying Ironman with hax suits, or Transformers?

 

[MadVillainy]

When you describe things like that of course it isnt going to be spectacular. Batman: He'd punch some guys maybe throw a Batarang and hide in the shadows. Iron Man: He'd fly around shoot a few projectiles and the fight will be over in 2 mins.

Also I think its very easy for Green Arrow scenes to "compete" with Batman action scenes in terms of fighting. Vehicle actions scenes are another story. And its not like a Green Arrow movie is coming out near IM or Batman so they wouldn't need to compete anyway

And you cant even compare the action scenes in Green Arrow or Batman to the action scenes in Iron Man because the first 2 are hand to hand/more realistic and Iron Man is a guy flying in a multi purpose exoskeleton

 

[dnno1]

Boy, I'd like to see Superman punch some guys. Some very big and strong guys. Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing Superman Punch the Hulk into next week.

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

Boy, I'd like to see Superman punch some guys. Some very big and strong guys. Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing Superman Punch the Hulk into next week.

I'd like to see Superman throw a single punch in a movie, PERIOD!!!!!

 

[Evil Twin]

since when

Since always.

The domestic grosses for Batman Begins, TDK, X1 to X3, TDK, Iron Man, Watchmen, and Superman Returns were all higher domestically than overseas. Sometimes substantially. The Spider-Man films and Wolverine generally were the exceptions, with Spider-Man 3 in particular.

Not a superhero film, but there's a discrepancy in how Star Trek did foreign vs. domestic.

But, films like LOTR, Harry Potter, Sherlock Holmes, Avatar, and, yes, Robin Hood, have strong international appeal and strongly outperform the US market overseas. Harry Potter routinely pulls in around $300 million domestic, but around $600 million overseas. There's no superhero equivalent to any of those where you can basically expect the foreign market to be substantially more than the domestic market.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I just think that aside from some fighting and arrow shooting, there is not much Green Arrow and Canary can do to give a good action scene that will pull the audience. They dont have gadgets, they dont have a batmobile or a flying suit, they generally dont have much.

That is why it should be a TV series revolving around their romance, or an animated show. There is no way they can compete with today's blockbusters and their movie just wont have the bang to put asses to the chairs.

 

[MadVillainy]

Since always.

The domestic grosses for Batman Begins, TDK, X1 to X3, TDK, Iron Man, Watchmen, and Superman Returns were all higher domestically than overseas. Sometimes substantially. The Spider-Man films and Wolverine generally were the exceptions, with Spider-Man 3 in particular.

Not a superhero film, but there's a discrepancy in how Star Trek did foreign vs. domestic.

But, films like LOTR, Harry Potter, Sherlock Holmes, Avatar, and, yes, Robin Hood, have strong international appeal and strongly outperform the US market overseas. Harry Potter routinely pulls in around $300 million domestic, but around $600 million overseas. There's no superhero equivalent to any of those where you can basically expect the foreign market to be substantially more than the domestic market.

I sit corrected

I just think that aside from some fighting and arrow shooting, there is not much Green Arrow and Canary can do to give a good action scene that will pull the audience. They dont have gadgets, they dont have a batmobile or a flying suit, they generally dont have much.

That is why it should be a TV series revolving around their romance, or an animated show. There is no way they can compete with today's blockbusters and their movie just wont have the bang to put asses to the chairs.

1. Didn't so many people love Legolas' archery in LOTR? Isn't everyone complaining that Robin Hood didn't even have archery action scenes in it? And unless I was hearing wrong my whole theater errupted with cheer when Rambo went on a killing spree with his bow and arrow. There are plenty of potential action scenes for a Green Arrow movie that the audience could/would love. That grouped with an attractive; talented cast, a good director/crew, and a charismatic lovable jerk Oliver Queen could help the film become a success. ANd you keep saying compete with other blockbusters like its coming out Summer 2011. There's no momentum on the project so its not like we know that its coming out near any other blockbusters

2. If GA would have problems getting people to see the movie wouldnt a GA Tv series have problems getting viewers? I mean if a "Superman" Tv barely gets 3 million viewers. Why would a GA series be good?

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

I think a continuation of Justin Hartley's Green Arrow would do better in ratings than a stand alone with a different actor, IMO

 

[Mr. Earle]

I sit corrected



1. Didn't so many people love Legolas' archery in LOTR? Isn't everyone complaining that Robin Hood didn't even have archery action scenes in it? And unless I was hearing wrong my whole theater errupted with cheer when Rambo went on a killing spree with his bow and arrow. There are plenty of potential action scenes for a Green Arrow movie that the audience could/would love. That grouped with an attractive; talented cast, a good director/crew, and a charismatic lovable jerk Oliver Queen could help the film become a success. ANd you keep saying compete with other blockbusters like its coming out Summer 2011. There's no momentum on the project so its not like we know that its coming out near any other blockbusters

2. If GA would have problems getting people to see the movie wouldnt a GA Tv series have problems getting viewers? I mean if a "Superman" Tv barely gets 3 million viewers. Why would a GA series be good?

1) Legolas was in LOTR, in that fantasy world full of... well... everything. I dont have anything against bows, in fact i love the character, its just that i dont see how he can provide great action to draw the audience, since nobody knows him. He needs a bang to attract people.

2) Smallville is ****, but iirc L&C did just fine back then. Look, i'm just saying that Ollie isnt a well known character and it would be hard to convince the GA to go see a movie about him. However, a TV series with good writing could be successful because they dont require good action to succeed.

 

[Evil Twin]

As far as Green Arrow goes, I don't know why he can't have the same amount of action as the Bourne movies. Or the James Bond movies for instance. Trying to compete in the spectacle department is probably a dead end for a character like GA, but that doesn't rule out either GA as a modern day swashbuckler or a grittier take.

 

[MadVillainy]

The thing that confuses me about DC's "strategy" is the things they choose to adapt. Last 4 DC/WB movies: The SPirit, Watchmen, The Losers, Jonah Hex. I understand that DC was probably was looking to do more lower budget films...but I dont understand adapting properties that barely have a cult like fanbase (not talking about Watchmen) when there are low budget slightly more known heroes that can be adapted

EDIT: And what is with them releasing said films at such bad times?

 

[Docker2.0]

That's what I don't understand either BM. People keep saying it's a strategy but it's stupid as fark if you ask me. Making all the little movies while saving all the big ones for last is a dumb strategy. What if the superhero genre is just a fad and they have yet to release a Flash movie? That's million, possibly billions they missed out on. It's stupid to keep making these little movies(all 3 out of the 4 you just named underperformed at the BO)but yet keep Flash "in development"........