Why Can't DC Get it right?

[super85]

I never said anything about Jonah Hex... I'm just pointing out that The Losers didn't bomb like everyone said.

While The Losers wasn't a hit, and Jonah Hex definetly bombed in the states, those films still havent opened in most European countries.

For example both Losers and Hex open in my part of the world in September.

It's not like they are magically going to turn into blockbusters or so, but people should keep in mind that WB really hasn't promoted or released those films in many places outside of the States yet.

 

[REDophile]

You're asking too much for Geoff Johns. Geoff is also writing comics and it seems DC Comics is very much depended on him. Feige doesn't need to and he can focus his attention to the movie business.

Yeah, I know its different because Feige is just a producer. But if Geoff has influence in the creative process for the film slate at DCE, which it seems like he will, they can get somewhere.
Who knows if GL will succeed, but if Geoff is raving about it already while its still filming, it could be a hit.

 

[Spidey-Quad]

Did DC/WB realise that Comic Con was "THIS" week-end.

Hey Batman & gang, wtf? I was waiting to get my socks knocked off about Justice League, Superman news but nada! GL's suit looks ok (snicker). Well at least those stuffed shirted excecs got a blueprint from Marvel to copy, when ever they can find the nuts to take a chance.

Oh well, RED is looking real sweet so you can bring that up I guess and some Direct DVD stuff that would have been great live.

2012's coming. The end of the world can happen before DC even announces anything to get excited about. I may have to go see GL twice even if they drop that ball too just so maybe they grow a pair! That or hopefully Marvel/Disney buys them out.

 

[mat-chow]

^^^You ain't lyin'.^^^^

Nothing ticks me off like a huge build up to nothing. Why would Geoff Johns go running off at the mouth and then have NOTHING new to announce? He said previously that GL would "steal the show" at SDCC. It seems to me like Marvel walked away with the weekend, period.

 

[Crook]

While it's definitely disappointing we didn't get as much news on the Comic-Con front, you have to consider the long-term. Would you rather blow your load on early hype, or deliver with the actual film?

SM3 was the talk of town with it's Comic Con appearance, TDK was practically non-existent and pretty boring. We all know how things turned out.

Just saying.

 

[Docker2.0]

OMG! I don't know how or why but TDK is always brought up. DC got their arse handed to them...their response? TDK! How about announce something other than Superman or Batman? John's bragged for a minute about waiting til CC and his response? "I can't talk about that now." Get the freak out of here.

 

[Crook]

Way to completely avoid the point. You want another example? SR and Watchmen got tremendous reaction at Comic-Con. Where did that lead? Oh yes, that's right. There. Is your anti-DC b**ching quota filled for the day, sir?

No one is denying that we all love the hype. My point is at the end of the day, if that hype isn't delivered in the form of the movie then you got excited for no damn reason. This has applied to more than half of the comic book movies that have ever been released.

So please stop. I too was damn excited seeing the Avengers up on stage together. But I'm not naive enough to consider that any other type of victory than one at promotion. It's inherently short-lived.

 

[Docker2.0]

Way to completely avoid the point. You want another example? SR and Watchmen got tremendous reaction at Comic-Con. Where did that lead? Oh yes, that's right. There. Is your anti-DC b**ching quota filled for the day, sir?

No one is denying that we all love the hype. My point is at the end of the day, if that hype isn't delivered in the form of the movie then you got excited for no damn reason. This has applied to more than half of the comic book movies that have ever been released.

So please stop. I too was damn excited seeing the Avengers up on stage together. But I'm not naive enough to consider that any other type of victory than one at promotion. It's inherently short-lived.

Dude, Watchmen and SR were not financial successful. Watchmen didn't make it's budget back and SR was a disappointment to the studio,they admitted it. And you can continue to say I'm anti-DC(not true but I am disappointed with where they are going) all you want but YOU are the one who brought up TDK and I'm just saying what else can you say? Seriously, WB/DC is dropping the ball and for you to bring up TDK is a joke.

PS- Dude stop getting so p o at replies on these boards. It's only comments but you can feel your anger in your post. It's not that serious.

 

[Crook]

If it's not that serious, stop replying with "OMG!" or telling me to "get the freak out" when you're the one misreading my post.

My bringing up TDK is very simple. It was the closest studio rival film to SM3 in release date timeframe. SM3 slayed Comic-Con, while conversely TDK was a mere drop in the bucket. When the respective films came out, TDK was the one that won out in the end because it delivered. I also chose these two because it mirrors the current discussion of Marvel-DC, and who delivered at Comic-Con.

I even did you a favor by bringing up both Watchmen and Supes doing well at Comic-Con, yet the underlying message still seems to go over your head: pre-release hype is only temporary. If your film fails to appease, none of the marketing dollars and all the fanboy glee in the world can help you.

It was a reality check not just for Marvel fans (who are excited), but for DC fans (who are worried) as well. It applies to any type of film. As a precaution, next time I'll be sure to erase "T D K" from my vocabulary as that no doubt sets off an alarm inside that prevents simple reading comprehension.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Dude, Watchmen and SR were not financial successful. Watchmen didn't make it's budget back and SR was a disappointment to the studio,they admitted it. And you can continue to say I'm anti-DC(not true but I am disappointed with where they are going) all you want but YOU are the one who brought up TDK and I'm just saying what else can you say? Seriously, WB/DC is dropping the ball and for you to bring up TDK is a joke.

PS- Dude stop getting so p o at replies on these boards. It's only comments but you can feel your anger in your post. It's not that serious.

Watchmen actually did make its budget back because of World Wide results and DVD sales.

I agree WB/DC did drop the ball at Comic-con but no one's saying that the result will exactly be Marvel's films being better than DC's. I still believe that DC will make a great GL film, but missed a great opportunity to hype of their film.

 

[Docker2.0]

Watchmen actually did make its budget back because of World Wide results and DVD sales.

I agree WB/DC did drop the ball at Comic-con but no one's saying that the result will exactly be Marvel's films being better than DC's. I still believe that DC will make a great GL film, but missed a great opportunity to hype of their film.

For some strange reasons, studios only seem to consider domestic BO's a success. Don't ask me why but they do. Robin Hood did great WW, but it's considered a failure because it didn't do well here for whatever reason. And again, I'm not just a Marvel fanatic, for years I've been begging for a GL movie. And Johns is the perfect guy to head DC's new company so you know he's doing his all. But it's the execs that are really holding his leash way to tight. Johns was saying for the past couple of months how DC would blow away fans with the news coming up at SDCC, but what he said mostly was "we can't talk about that right now." Really Johns, really? Like I said, I know it's not him. He's only the front guy. It's the guys in the white suits that have no idea what the fans want. Johns does because he has a really good feel for comics. Even his stuff on Smallville has been great. He is the right guy for the job but what can he do? WB has his hands tied! And this is not DC bashing, it's WB bashing!

 

[Crook]

GL is a very unique case. Not only is his costume CG, so is half the film thanks to the space setting. They're a year off from release, I wouldn't be surprised if there were very few shots finished, if at all.

 

[Docker2.0]

I have no complaints about GL. None! It's the freakin lack of announcements at SDCC that has been promised for months. GL's is doing actually what I expected and I'm liking what I see thus far. But how GL does shouldn't affect if Flash gets a movie or not.

 

[Docker2.0]

I have no complaints about GL. None! It's the freakin lack of announcements at SDCC that has been promised for months. GL's is doing actually what I expected and I'm liking what I see thus far. But how GL does shouldn't affect if Flash gets a movie or not.

 

[Tony Stark]

I'm so tired of the DC "quality over quantity" argument. There should have been a Wonder Woman movie made by now. There's no excuse, other than the incompetence at WB/DC.

WB/DC has no clue how to market themselves. Look GL might well be the best movie next year, but the fact is that Marvel kicked ass at Comicon and it wasn't even close.

What's funny is that most of us, that mainly post on the Marvel boards are fans of alot of the DC characters, and are just comic fans in general. I'd love to see a well done Superman remake, instead of that 2 1/2 hour Richard Donner tribute we got back in '06.

But the fact that they are unwilling to give other characters a shot, shows how out of touch they are. "We have other projects, but we can't talk about them," is code word for everyone of our projects is in developement hell and we can't get a script together.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Who gives a dookie who had a better panel at Comic-Con? The only thing that should matter from Comic-Con is the quality of the clips, which pretty much none of us have seen. So what's the point? It's called Comic-Con not ComicMovie-Con.

 

[Tony Stark]

Who gives a dookie who had a better panel at Comic-Con? The only thing that should matter from Comic-Con is the quality of the clips, which pretty much none of us have seen. So what's the point? It's called Comic-Con not ComicMovie-Con.

It's not about whose panel was better. It's about promoting your company and your upcoming projects, and DC has dropped the ball time after time. Just because TDK was such a monster hit doesn't give them an excuse on the fact that they've been unable to revive the Superman franchise, that they can't get a Wonder Woman movie made, and they have to take a "wait and see" approach to Flash.

As a comic book fan this is just sad. Marvel has made some mistakes, but the fact is they are trying to be successful. Marvel has four franchises so far that have spawned sequels with 11 films among them. DC has had one that spawned two films.

DC talks "quality over quantity" because they want to sell it to their fanbase on their incompetence. The truth is fans should be raging against Warner/DC on their ineptness.

I hope GL is a big success, but I have not been impressed so far, other than Mark Strong.

 

[Crook]

It's not about whose panel was better. It's about promoting your company and your upcoming projects, and DC has dropped the ball time after time.

Sure, but promotion only nets you the opening weekend. The biggest film of all time, Avatar, is notorious for having little to no marketing, at least according to the modern standard. Fanboys whined incessantly like the whole project rested on having tv spots and making convention appearances. Needless to say, pies were certainly on their faces once all was said and done. It's probably the best example of how pre-release hype is far from important in the long haul.

We're all fans, so we're guilty of wanting everything at a moment's notice. Marketing is a technique and precise method of promotion. Unleashing an avalanche of material is not the only way to do things. If DC doesn't have any news to report on their projects, then you can't exactly blame them for not announcing anything. If they're playing their cards close to their chest, well then you can't blame them for that either. It's their prerogative to do so.

As fans, we're not entitled to anything. Comic-Con is a luxury serving to whet our appetites. But it's important to remember it neither makes the film better, more prone to success, or get us the movie any closer than its release date.

 

[The Batman]

OMG! I don't know how or why but TDK is always brought up. DC got their arse handed to them...their response? TDK! How about announce something other than Superman or Batman? John's bragged for a minute about waiting til CC and his response? "I can't talk about that now." Get the freak out of here.

If people can be immature and talk about how DC "Gets their ass handed to them" in an imaginary competition, then people can bring up TDK all they want. Its called Karma. If DC has to step up and make as many movies as Marvel, then Marvel has to step up and make a movie as revered as The Dark Knight. Or maybe we can all act like adults for once?

 

[Docker2.0]

If people can be immature and talk about how DC "Gets their ass handed to them" in an imaginary competition, then people can bring up TDK all they want. Its called Karma. If DC has to step up and make as many movies as Marvel, then Marvel has to step up and make a movie as revered as The Dark Knight. Or maybe we can all act like adults for once?

Out of all the post in this thread, you always have to reply to mine. Check my sig, end of convo.

 

[The Batman]

Lame signatures dont really disprove my point at all. Where's the marvel movie that has the same amount of credibility as TDK in fanboy eyes? Where are the Spider-Man 2 mentions in every thread on SHH? Where are the "The next Batman movie should be like X2" threads? Where, Docker? Where? Where are the annoying hoardes of Incredible Hulk fans that quote every word Eli Roth said? Where is the supporting oscar nods for Jeff Bridges stirring performance as Iron Monger? Wheres the outrage that Spider Man 2 wasnt nominated for best picture?

Like I said, if its fair that DC has to live up to the standards of making as many movies as marvel, then its only fair that people want marvel movies to live up to the standards of one single DC movie.

 

[Docker2.0]

Lame signatures dont really disprove my point at all.

You using the word "lame" and "my point" in the same sentence takes a lot of balls.

 

[The Batman]

Too bad making lame quips when youve been proven wrong shows you have none.

 

[Docker2.0]

Dude, I've always ignored your post. Why should that change now?

 

[The Batman]

Because if you actually ignored my posts, we wouldnt be having this conversation right now.