Why can't Jor-El be seen on screen?

Yeah, it does. I hope they can find a window in his sked in order to make it work. That appears to be the only monkey wrench in the plan at the moment.



BTW, I'm I the only one LOL at the "age" anachronism as being an issue?

 

They could cast a younger Jor-el and dubb his voice with Stramp's. Might work.

 

Sure. They could, and it would, but they don't need to. Besides, having Stamp appear on screen as Jor-El is much nicer than dubbing the voice onto some random guest actor. Stamp is also not opposed to it, so it really is just a matter of scheduling - just like it was with Reeve.

 

I like the mystique created by not showing his face, but I believe that he needs to be seen in one of the last episodes of the show. I too would love to see Stamp as Jor-El. It would be a nice touch.

 

radiation given off by a dying Krypton?

 

Look, Kane, no one had a problem with an ageing Brando playing Reeve's father.

And if you really look at it, the newspaper shot of "young Jor-El" could kind of easily be a younger Terry Stamp as well...

And would that really be a hard thing to swallow considering how many other things the show has asked us to accept as "plausible" over the past five years?


Follow the yellow brick road...

 

Umm... We're staring down a $200M Superman feature film, starring a TWENTY THREE year-old Lois Lane (whose the mother of a child IN the film) playing opposite a TWENTY SIX year old Superman (whose been "missing" for five or six years), and people are complaining about a guest appearance by Terence Stamp as Jor-El (whose "image" could have been recorded at any time during his life on Krypton) on SV - a freakin' TV show??!

Jeezes H. Keerist people!

 

I have a new enemy, and his name is JackMercy!!

 

I have to say, I do see Kane's point. While I won't have a problem accepting Stamp as Jor-El (in fact, I think it would be pretty cool casting if they pull it off), my vision of Jor-El (at the time of his death) would be of a much younger looking man. Take the Relic Jor-El (1961) who looked anywhere from 18 - 25-ish, and add 17 or so years until Krypton blew and you have a man who is mid-30's to mid-40's. That's going to take some goood make-up for Stamp (who is 65) fit in the SV established timeline for Jor-El.

But that's just the stickler perspective. And we all know it doesn't pay to be a stickler when you are a sci-fi/fantasy fan. Matching up the "voice" of Jor-El would be a casting coup, and would override any chronological inconsistencies.

And not for anything, but I still think it's creepy to use Marlon Brando footage in the new movie. Meh.. something else they never consulted me about.

 

Honestly, there's only one point that I think is relevant. Krypton blew up thousands of years ago. Given our knowledge of time, there's no WAY Jor-El could have been on Earth in 1961. The whole thing doesn't make sense, which is what Jack was trying to convey about SV. So, having an aged Stamp play Jor-El makes as much sense as having him on Earth as a young adult 45 years ago.

But, if you're one of those math junkies that just has to have a balance in every equation, Terence Stamp - the actor - was 22 years old in 1961.

I hate math. And Einsteinium physics is not my forte either.

 

Now I'm confused. How long exactly was baby Clark floating through space before he reached Earth?

Okay.. this throws a whole new wrench into things.

I know! Since Jor-El *was* here in 1961.. then in SV mythology, Krypton didn't blow up thousands of years ago. Jor-El had time to go back to Krypton, fall in love with Lara, have a child.. then Krypton goes boom and Clark lands on Earth sometime 1987-ish.

Maybe?

 

Kane, you just answered your own question with your earlier reference to casting ingredients in the "feature" pie.

Tell Christopher Lee he can't play a Darth at 82.

Tell Connery he can't play Bond in his mid-50s.

Wait a minute... doesn't some guy called TW actually play someone much younger than his actual age?

Only by about ten years.

It's called acting.
And it's been a Hollywood consistency for many many years.

Look, all I can say is that the pizza chefs are not really interested in specific Kryptonian timelines or scientific inconsistencies. If they really were, they would have just done a show about Stephen Hawking.

Bottom line is, the chefs plan on making a pizza with certain kinds of ingredients, in a certain way. And the advantages to making this pie a certain way far outweigh the disadvantages. So...

You can either

A) eat the pizza and accept it for what it is

Or

B) go hungry that night...or month...or season...

 

Ya got me, but it could have been quite a long time. If folks *really* need technobabble to explain this, I'll give it a shot. But lets first remember that this is SV. It's not the Donner film, and it's not the comics - even if it's vaguely based on those things. (Damn, I love that word!)

Aight, in an effort to keep it simple, here's two dialog excerpts from Rosetta and Arrival:

From Rosetta:

Clark: Is that where Krypton is?

Swann: No, that's where Krypton was. I followed the signal's path billions of miles out into space. I was hoping to discover its origin but instead, I found nothing.​

Fiction: Krypton is "billions of miles" away.

Fact: Light travels through the vacuum of space at 186,282 miles per second. In one year, light will travel 5,880,534,262,081 miles.

From Arrival:

Clark: I wasn't born anywhere near Smallville. In fact, I wasn't born anywhere near this galaxy.​

Fact: It is approximately 75,000 light years to the farthest edge of our galaxy.

Conclusion: Krypton must be at *least* 75,000 light years away, which means it took at least 75,000 years for the signal to reach us, which means it blew up at least 75,000 years ago.


I still hate math.

Thank you!!! Some things are wicked easy if you just suspend disbelief. If a major motion picture director can get away with it, so can a "blasphemous" TV show, right Jack?


I'm procrastinating my workout. Be back later.

 

Or maybe we can talk about the pizza first just because it's.. fun?

I don't have a problem with them casting Stamp. I thought I made that clear.

But technically, Jor-El's appearance on Earth in 1961, *does* throw a wrench into the theory of Krypton being destroyed a zillion years ago. Kane and I are just volleying the possible ways around that.

I guess we could bend time.. which as sci-fi fans I believe we're allowed to do.

 

Well, yes and no. See below...

I've had him on ignore for quite some time. Got tired of the BS. I'd rather argue with Milkman and Pickle - at least they're fun.

There's a "portal" in the cave. Wormhole, maybe? Any Trekers in the house? It's fantasy; anything's possible if you need it to be.

Okay, I *really* need to fly (pun intended.) TTYL