Why can't Jor-El be seen on screen?

[The Sage]

The hell? Didnt Clark's rocket ship travel at lightspeed? If lightspeed only took him about 3 years to get from Krypton to Earth (from a baby to a toddler)....wouldnt that mean Krypton blew up 3 years prior to his arrival?

You're outnumbered. Join me, and we can unleash true hell, make you worthy of your name.

 

[Kane]

Maybe Clark should encounter the hologram of the younger Jor-El from Relic played by Tom Welling...


That'd be pretty weird...

It'd be like the final scene in 'Field of Dreams'

 

[The Sage]

I've had him on ignore for quite some time. Got tired of the BS. I'd rather argue with Milkman and Pickle - at least they're fun.

And what of me?

 

[Kane]

You're outnumbered. Join me, and we can unleash true hell, make you worthy of your name.

My name? Kane is actually my real name......

 

[Kane]

And what of me?

Dont worry. The real 'BS' was her attempt to explain this, and Jack's lame pizza analogy....then the final statement that it need not make logical sense, along with an irrelevant comparison to the casting for the new Superman film.

It doesnt have to, but its always prudent to try to make it somewhat logical. If the comic writers shared the same attitude, Crisis on Infinite Earths would have never happened.

Oh well, I offered a logical solution to explain this discrepancy if they wanted to use Stamp... We'll see how it plays out.

 

[The Sage]

Stamp could work IMO, despite his age. Kryptonians age differently than humans. Case closed.

This discussion is terminated.

 

[Kane]

Ya they age slower.....

 

[The Sage]

My name? Kane is actually my real name......

Join me anyway.

 

[Serene]

I've had him on ignore for quite some time. Got tired of the BS. I'd rather argue with Milkman and Pickle - at least they're fun.

Lol.. my Ignore list gets edited every now and then.

 

[Cmill216]

You guys use ignore lists? I find it hard to ignore the e-people I hate. They amuse me.

 

[avidreader]

Okay Science Fiction.

What if Jor-el from Relic was able to travel through the Portal from Krypton to Earth and any given time of Earth's history.

You can make anything up and have it be plausible.

And we were never given how old Jor-el was in Relic, he could have already been pushing 40. Who knows? I dont recall them saying his specific age.

Just go with the flow and dont worry about the technicalitites.

 

[Kane]

Lol.. my Ignore list gets edited every now and then.

Good, I dont mind you. You're one of the better ones. =)

 

[Kane]

Okay Science Fiction.

What if Jor-el from Relic was able to travel through the Portal from Krypton to Earth and any given time of Earth's history.

You can make anything up and have it be plausible.

And we were never given how old Jor-el was in Relic, he could have already been pushing 40. Who knows? I dont recall them saying his specific age.

Just go with the flow and dont worry about the technicalitites.

As long as theres some explaination onscreen about it, its fine with me...

There are a few options to explain it, Im curious as to how they will.

 

[The Sage]

Dye his hair, give him robes to cover up any frailty, some make up, and Stamp can conjure up a great presence. He could be Jor-El.

Spoiler

I just hope Jor-El isn't taking over Pa Kent's body.

 

[The Sage]

Good, I dont mind you. You're one of the better ones. =)

Better ones? She's my suga moma.

 

[Kane]

I just hope Jor-El isn't taking over Pa Kent's body.

I hope not though I think it was said that Zod and Jorel wont be appearing in their normal forms. I know Lionel is connected to this.

Its likely Lionel will be the vessel of Jor-El.

But what about Zod?

Who will be his vessel?

Lex?

Could this be how Lex finally kills Lionel?

Brainiac was supposed to give Lex powers somehow.....

 

[Serene]

As long as theres some explaination onscreen about it, its fine with me...

Meh.. even if they don't, like avid said, I can go with the flow on this one.

But maybe because Relic is one of my favorite episodes, it's very important in the show's mythology to me. I can't help but wonder about Jor-El then.. and now. It's just how my brain works. When it works.

Better ones? She's my suga moma.

LOL! I'm just going to assume that's a good thing.

 

[Kane]

Sage, damn you. Stop hitting on married women

 

[AgentPat]

And what of me?

You kidding? Between you and Thunder, the three of us would make a great Oreo Cookie.



That probably didn't come out right.

Lol.. my Ignore list gets edited every now and then.

Ditto. Some do the revolving door thang though.

You guys use ignore lists? I find it hard to ignore the e-people I hate. They amuse me.

Indeed. Fanboy arguments CAN be fun LOL!!! But I draw the line when people sink to personal insults. There's just no call for that. So plunk away they go. It's easy.

What if Jor-el from Relic was able to travel through the Portal from Krypton to Earth and any given time of Earth's history.

They kind of eluded to that with the Kiwatchi prophesies and whatnot. But it does create further discrepancies - like why wouldn't Kryptonians use that kind of technology to escape their dying planet? And if they didn't know the destruction of their planet was imminent (like the shifting orbit theory proposed in the Donner pic), Jor-El obviously knew ('cause he rocketed Kal-El to Earth), so why not just send Kal through the portal? Yeah, WAY too many but-ifs on this one.

But maybe because Relic is one of my favorite episodes, it's very important in the show's mythology to me. I can't help but wonder about Jor-El then.. and now. It's just how my brain works. When it works.

I guess I'm kind of the opposite on this. I LOVED Relic. In fact, it was THE turning point in my love of all things SV. Really, it was! But the "small stuff" doesn't bother me. I see the big picture and like to think of the events in Relic as the determining factor for Jor-El's decision to sent Kal-El to Earth. Jor-El's age now - or then for that matter - doesn't bother me. It's irrelevant to my enjoyment of SV in whole or in part.

 

[Serene]

Ditto. Some do the revolving door thang though.

Indeed. Fanboy arguments CAN be fun LOL!!! But I draw the line when people sink to personal insults. There's just no call for that. So plunk away they go. It's easy.

Rarely do I take someone off of Ignore once they are on. But I try not to put people on it lightly. Like you said, when someone sinks to personal insults (repeatedly), or when I just think they're a troll who's only here to stir the pot and has no interest in real discussion, then it's *Plonk!*

But I just looked.. and I have 9 people on ignore! LOL.. I guess I really am an intolerant *****.

 

[avidreader]

They kind of eluded to that with the Kiwatchi prophesies and whatnot. But it does create further discrepancies - like why wouldn't Kryptonians use that kind of technology to escape their dying planet? And if they didn't know the destruction of their planet was imminent (like the shifting orbit theory proposed in the Donner pic), Jor-El obviously knew ('cause he rocketed Kal-El to Earth), so why not just send Kal through the portal? Yeah, WAY too many but-ifs on this one.

I'm sure there are discrepancies, but my point was that they could spin any number of stories to explain anything but the bottom line is Terrance Stamp could play Jor-el and I wouldnt care about his age.

Oh, and it is possible that Zod and his cronies sealed the portal off.

 

[KikiDee]

I'm sure there are discrepancies, but my point was that they could spin any number of stories to explain anything but the bottom line is Terrance Stamp could play Jor-el and I wouldnt care about his age.

Oh, and it is possible that Zod and his cronies sealed the portal off.

I thought Jor el did. Clark had to have the key before it could be opened again right? The key was with the ship. I don't know my memory is a little iffy today. When he put the key into the cave wall all sorts of crazy stuff happened so I guess I just assumed Jor-el was the one that locked it because he left his pendant there so his dad wouldn't know what he did while he was on earth.

Sooooo he sent Clark in the ship with the key because the portal was no longer usable from earth, but that doesn't mean he couldn't download it with all sorts of good stuff from Krypton's end before it blew up. The only thing I don't have a theory on is Kara. Unless, the portal opened when the ship with the key reached earth's atmosphere and Kara happened to be close by and was zapped in by the great Kryptonian computer that knew that Clark would eventually need a sexy young thang to convince him to go into the light.

HA! Well that's my theory and I'm sticking to it. Hee until I come up with a better one.

 

[smsvmos]

Here are my 2 cents on the issue of Kryptonians and Planet Earth.

First of all it is clear that Kryptonians have been traveling to earth since Civilization started on the planet. They knew that the Yellow Sun give them special abbilities that could lead them to rule the world. For some reason they knew that this could not be allowd to happend and they closed a portal that had special knowledge of their planet and techology so they seald this portal and divided the Crystals so only the chosen one could find it.In the Centuries to fallow many Kryptonians Traveld to Earth to find this Crystals (I guess thats why Jor-El's Father sent him to Earth and to also do more research on this primitive planet and what was so special about the ppl in it). NOw the cave is one of the portals that where seald up by the Kryptonians and the Native Americans had contact with the Kryptonians at that time and learnd about the legend of Numan. But was the legend told by Kryptonians or was it a vision of one of the natives?? If it was told by Kryptonians then they knew what was goin to happend to their planet Centuries before Jor-El arrived or did Jor-El created the legend him self and traveld trew time to leave the mark of history? So many question....

 

[RakuMon]

Dude you're missing the point. They showed a young Jor-el in the 1960s from Relic played by Tom Welling. Then its the 1980s and Jor-El has aged so much (if played by Stamp)?

It just contradicts, especially considering Kryptonian aging.

With the movie, there was no previous portrayal of Brando's Jorel prior to Brando....so Jor-El could be any age and it wouldnt matter.

Maybe people on Krypton age the same way people age on Tatooine.

To wit:

Less than two decades later:

 

[Kane]

Actually this was Obiwan in Episode Three:

They tried to make him look more like Alec from Episode 4. He was supposed to be in his late 30s/early 40s for Episode III.

About 20 years later (Ep 4), Alec Guiness played the character in about his early 60s (Alec was 63 years old at the time).

So the 20 year gap actually works. It may be over 20 years given that Leia definately wasnt a teenager and Luke was held back some years at the farm, not being able to go to his academy (which is the equivalent of college).