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That "now" could imply that Bruce's has improved security.
Yes.
That "now" could imply that Bruce's has improved security.
Yeah, I get it. But no matter how much she trusts him, both of them witnessed how unsafe Bruce's penthouse was. Specially Dent who doesn't know Bruce is Batman.
But I checked again, and the sentence is "Believe me Harvey, Bruce's penthouse is now the safest place."
That "now" could imply that Bruce's has improved security.
Think about it, they were hosting a public venue where guests were coming and going, and they were not expecting an attack on a simple fund raiser.
I don't think Dent thought 'ah well, the other day was just an exception.' I mean, even if it was, I think Dent was not very keen of taking risks about Rachel's safety.
Think about it, they were hosting a public venue where guests were coming and going, and they were not expecting an attack on a simple fund raiser.
The Joker said:Dent was kept safe in Bruce's penthouse even when they were ambushed by an unexpected attack during an open party venue. It stands to reason Rachel would be safe there if she went there for protection from a possible forthcoming attack.
As we already mentioned, Bruce no doubt tightened his security after the unexpected breach by Joker and his men. It's not like he can't afford the best money can buy.
Dent was kept safe in Bruce's penthouse even when they were ambushed by an unexpected attack during an open party venue. It stands to reason Rachel would be safe there if she went there for protection from a possible forthcoming attack.
As we already mentioned, Bruce no doubt tightened his security after the unexpected breach by Joker and his men. It's not like he can't afford the best money can buy.
I seem to remember Rachel was thrown out of a window?
They did have police on guard at the party, remember when the Joker and his goons come up in the lift, they are holding Wurtz 'hostage', the cop on the take, who was obviously put on that detail, so the Joker could get in more easily.
Aye, the thing is, any building is open to attack by the Joker, Bruce's home probably is the safest place, because it was the one place that repelled an attack, and of course, we also have the original meaning of Rachel's statement, that he is the one 'law enforcement official' that she can guarantee is not on the take.
Dent doesn't know he's Batman, but still, he knows he's rich, can afford security, and Rachel can trust him.
I seem to remember Rachel was thrown out of a window?
He might, he might not. But Dent had all reasons to ask if this is true before telling Rachel 'ok, go there.'
Completely possible. But since there was that huge scene showing Joker doing whatever he wanted in Wayne's penthouse it would have been a good touch to having explained that. It came out weird that having Dent lived all that in Wayne's penthouse (or at least heard it later) he wouldn't react against this 'Bruce's penthouse = safest place in town' statement of Rachel.
Because Joker is afraid of confronting Batman...?
A consequence of Joker infiltrating the penthouse in the first place.
Your original point of all of this was Dent believing Rachel when she said Bruce's penthouse was now the safest place in Gotham. Initially he didn't. He said "Come on, Rachel, I know you're his friend but..." and she interrupted him and told him to trust her on it.
He obviously conceded because:
1. Bruce was literally the only person in town they could trust
2. He told her not to tell anyone where she's going
3. A billionaire's penthouse could have beefed up security
No, but for one its highly unlikely Joker would go back to Waynes condo looking for Dent when Joker already had lost the last confrontation,
plus Rachel knows what Harvey doesn't. That Bruce is Batman, so yea, her being by Bruce in his condo would be the safest place in Gotham at that point.
I seem to remember Rachel was thrown out of a window?
If she stayed where bruce told her to then she would have been safe, instead she didnt listen and thats why she ended up getting thrown out a window
I seem to remember Rachel was thrown out of a window?
If she stayed where bruce told her to then she would have been safe, instead she didnt listen and thats why she ended up getting thrown out a window
Or if Bruce's penthouse had enough security to stop infiltrators. Anyways, Dent didn't know about Rachel not listening to Batman.
Which was a consequence of it not being the safest place in town.
And what could Bruce's friendship have to do. It was that Joker got there easily what I expected could have made Harvey doubt.
"Come on, Rachel, that place was easily infiltrated by Joker..."
"Trust me, Harvey, Bruce's penthouse is NOW the safest place in the city."
1. Which doesn't guarrantee Rachel's safety necessarily.
3. I think I meant that when I said "That "now" could imply that Bruce's has improved security" many posts ago.
If she stayed where bruce told her to then she would have been safe, instead she didnt listen and thats why she ended up getting thrown out a window
No, it was a consequence of hosting a public venue and not expecting or preparing for an attack.
Payaso, Dent asked "Is there someone in this town we can TRUST", not "Is there an impenetrable fortress we can hide out in?".
Rachel said Bruce's penthouse is the safest place in Gotham because out of all the places in Gotham, it was the safest. Not because Joker managed to get in when a public party was being hosted and an attack was not expected or prepared for.
Rachel didn't say it was a guarantee. She said it was the safest place in the city for her to be.
Right, so you've no reason to be continually debating this. There's a valid reason right there.
That's another good point. Bruce told her to stay hidden. It work for Dent, and it could have worked for her, too.
Don't want to be troll but seriously: Don't think about plot holes in TDK. Too much suspense of disbelief for one film IMHO. Even for a comic book movie. It's just bad writing.
Not being prepared for an attack = not safe enough.
Regardless of what Dent asked, if Rachel mentioned Bruce's penthouse then Dent's wtf was something I was expecting.
Which should mean her being safe. And since she wasn't the first it could certainly have been Dent's main concern.
Since I said so posts ago, it was actually you who didn't have to debate over that point again. Why would I debate over what I myself said?
Absolutely. Now Dent didn't know that she disobeyed Bruce's orders.
I really don't get how we've had this long of a discussion over this.
Is it that hard to see?
"Is there anyone in this town we can trust?"
"Bruce. We can trust Bruce Wayne"
Rachel wasn't saying that Bruce's penthouse was some giant impenetrable fortress; with someone as unpredictable as The Joker, no place was physically safe. What she was saying is that Bruce is the one person in Gotham that they can absolutely trust, hence, why his penthouse is the safest place in the city.
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This Rachel/penthouse discussion is redundant already... Anyone who still has questions about this after all these years just needs to re-watch the scene over and over again until they "get it".
I think it's really very simple. I think you all are looking to deep into it.
Rachel felt that Bruces place was the safest place in town, simply because she knew he was Batman. She knew that there was so much corruption in the police system in Gotham he wasn't safe there. Wasn't safe at either of their homes, where else that the place where Batman lives.
And also, going back to the whole "How did Bruce know they were coming for him.?"
Again I think we are looking for things that aren't there. I think the reason he hid Harvy is actually simple, I think he just did it simply because he knew how important Harvey was at Gotham's "White Knight" and wanted to make sure nothing happend to him. It wasn't so much he "knew" they were coming for him, as it was he wan't to make sure they wasn't. Bruce knew he could defend himself, and didn't want Harvey caught in the cross fire.
Just my thoughts, does it make sense?