Why do DC keep Charles Roven around?

[Dasher10]

When looking at what Batman V Superman did wrong, a lot of it was in concept with no good way to execute it. Charles Roven has also produced films like The Brothers Grimm, Get Smart and Season of the Witch.

I feel sorry for Terrio and Goyer who had to adapt a screenplay that was unwritable and for Zach Snyder who took on the job of directing a film that was unfilmable. While it is possible to blame Geoff Johns for some of this, I feel like based on Johns track record compared to Roven's, like Roven is to blame.

What point does this man serve other than to ruin the DC universe? His good films were made with directors like David O Russel and Christopher Nolan but when he doesn't have a director with enough clout to have creative freedom, he winds up destroying the projects that he's on.

Warner should cut him and Atlas Entertainment out of the DC films and shift more of their funding to DC itself. Right now he's filling the same role as Kevin Feige over at Marvel and Lauren Schuler Donner at Fox but that same role can (and should) be filled by Geoff Johns and the Snyders. He's not needed and seems to ruin everything he touches.

 

[Drz]

How does a comic book writer and a film director work as a better producer than a person who has been in the film industry business since the 90s in a high ranking position?

I mean, you're suggesting that someone with more experience should be replaced with giving Snyders more control and giving a position of a produce to someone, who has no experience in producing films.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Producing is a very specialist skill, whilst the director (rightly) gets kudos and praise for directing the 'motion' of the film's journey, it's actual cogs are the producers to turn. I personally think he works well with Snyder, they clearly work well and in harmony.

I think it's a question of Roven going within the DCEU, Snyder would have to go same way and with JL on its way in 18 months or so, that ain't gonna happen.

 

[The Batman]

MOS is a polarizing film: It's Goyer's fault

BvS is a polarizing film: It's Roven's fault.

It's not the Director's fault at all, despite him being the director of both films and despite him being known for consistently making polarizing product.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Especially when the director has made some of the worst facepalm worthy comments anyone's ever made about the genre.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

$424 million reasons to keep him around is likely what Tsujihara would say.

 

[Dasher10]

MOS is a polarizing film: It's Goyer's fault

BvS is a polarizing film: It's Roven's fault.

It's not the Director's fault at all, despite him being the director of both films and despite him being known for consistently making polarizing product.

Roven was involved with both. If Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman both suck, it'll be safe to blame Roven.

 

[Jekecy]

Roven was involved with both. If Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman both suck, it'll be safe to blame Roven.

Roven was also involved with the Dark Knight trilogy.

 

[Jason Kane]

Because Roven never said killing off Jimmy Olsen was a way to have "fun" with the character...

Blaming Roven is like the whole Constantin Films finger pointing one poster here did as means to exempt Josh Trank last year. Roven isn't the problem; Snyder IS

 

[Baneis8feettall]

MOS is a polarizing film: It's Goyer's fault

BvS is a polarizing film: It's Roven's fault.

It's not the Director's fault at all, despite him being the director of both films and despite him being known for consistently making polarizing product.

Somebody says yes to everystep in making those polarizibg products though. Snyder can't make the movie secretly.

 

[titansupes]

When looking at what Batman V Superman did wrong, a lot of it was in concept with no good way to execute it. Charles Roven has also produced films like The Brothers Grimm, Get Smart and Season of the Witch.

I feel sorry for Terrio and Goyer who had to adapt a screenplay that was unwritable and for Zach Snyder who took on the job of directing a film that was unfilmable. While it is possible to blame Geoff Johns for some of this, I feel like based on Johns track record compared to Roven's, like Roven is to blame.

What point does this man serve other than to ruin the DC universe? His good films were made with directors like David O Russel and Christopher Nolan but when he doesn't have a director with enough clout to have creative freedom, he winds up destroying the projects that he's on.

Warner should cut him and Atlas Entertainment out of the DC films and shift more of their funding to DC itself. Right now he's filling the same role as Kevin Feige over at Marvel and Lauren Schuler Donner at Fox but that same role can (and should) be filled by Geoff Johns and the Snyders. He's not needed and seems to ruin everything he touches.

... What are you even talking about? How in the world have you concluded that all the creative problems of this movie are the fault of a non-writing producer, and not, y'know, the writers and director? What is your basis for this? Because it sure isn't in this post.

 

[2kt09]

Because Roven never said killing off Jimmy Olsen was a way to have "fun" with the character...

Blaming Roven is like the whole Constantin Films finger pointing one poster here did as means to exempt Josh Trank last year. Roven isn't the problem; Snyder IS

I did get that impression since I found out about the kinds of films that studio has been known for
& knowing they're the ones with F4 ownership just rattled my brain.
Honestly, I'd still put it more on the studios & producers because the stuff Trank had an obvious hand in was tolerable (good even).

Anywho, I haven't seen BvS, but from what I heard it certainly sounds like Snyder and the writers had the most clout here. They should have since the movies are "film-maker driven", which is straight from Snyder's lips.

 

[Dasher10]

I did get that impression since I found out about the kinds of films that studio has been known for
& knowing they're the ones with F4 ownership just rattled my brain.
Honestly, I'd still put it more on the studios & producers because the stuff Trank had an obvious hand in was tolerable (good even).

Anywho, I haven't seen BvS, but from what I heard it certainly sounds like Snyder and the writers had the most clout here. They should have since the movies are "film-maker driven", which is straight from Snyder's lips.

That's ultimately still the fault of Roven and Geoff Johns for allowing Snyder to kill off Jimmy Olsen and Mercy Graves. Considering how many nods there are towards the plots of Justice League and Wonder Woman with Snyder not being at all involved with the latter, it's easy to blame the producers.

And if these films are, "Filmmaker driven," then it's the job of the producers to reign them in. Remember when Fox stopped babysitting Josh Trank? You had Vaughn and Millar working on Kingsman, Kinberg working on X-Men and Emma Watts and Jim G working on everything that Fox was producing. Trank was let off his leash by the studio and ruined Fantastic Four by demanding that Kinberg rewrite the entire script on set, got the actors to behave as wooden as possible and pulled the film out of the X-Men universe. Just because Trank ruined Fantastic Four doesn't mean that the studio aren't to blame for negligence.

Considering that much of what I didn't like had to do with worldbuilding rather than the actual plot of the film or the acting, I think that it isn't fair to entirely blame Snyder and let the producers off the hook.

 

[Jason Kane]

That's ultimately still the fault of Roven and Geoff Johns for allowing Snyder to kill off Jimmy Olsen and Mercy Graves. Considering how many nods there are towards the plots of Justice League and Wonder Woman with Snyder not being at all involved with the latter, it's easy to blame the producers.

And if these films are, "Filmmaker driven," then it's the job of the producers to reign them in. Remember when Fox stopped babysitting Josh Trank? You had Vaughn and Millar working on Kingsman, Kinberg working on X-Men and Emma Watts and Jim G working on everything that Fox was producing. Trank was let off his leash by the studio and ruined Fantastic Four by demanding that Kinberg rewrite the entire script on set, got the actors to behave as wooden as possible and pulled the film out of the X-Men universe. Just because Trank ruined Fantastic Four doesn't mean that the studio aren't to blame for negligence.

Considering that much of what I didn't like had to do with worldbuilding rather than the actual plot of the film or the acting, I think that it isn't fair to entirely blame Snyder and let the producers off the hook.

Don't even get me started on that "Yes Man" Johns.....smh

And Re: Fant4stic- We all know that's the last bastion of the Rothman reign of terror since he wanted it before he got the boot by the end of '12. Same goes for Amy Pascal and her all female Ghostbusters idea over at Sony before the wrath of either NK or a severely pissed of ex-employee.