Why do people think bane is over rated?

[CLARKY]

Well you were talking about physical threat so I gave you some. I did not know you were talking about hand to hand combat. So yeah in those terms .... Except deathstroke, Hush, Shiva (if you count her as bat-villain), The Wrath, Catman (if you count him as a bat-villain) and KG Beast, there is only Bane. But as I said I think Hush is better in those aspects. Better than Bane. for me they are very similar, just than one is used properly the other is not. If you think about it, Bane could have been the one behind the hush story arc. So I think, as Joker mentioned, that he may be over-rated because he has done nothing brilliant since Knightfall.

I much prefer Bane over Hush. Bane is a cool and calculating tactician whose demeanor alone is scary. Hush is little more than an overly whiny psychotic brat who tries to be cool.

Cool is is difficult to define, and Hush is a cold and calculating tactician too.

People don't like Bane because they have read Secret Six and fail to realize that he is an intelligent and driven character, in many ways an anti-hero. A romantic and a poet.
Bane is one of the best Batman villians ever.

One the contrary, I think he is fine in the secret 6 and I think it gives him an opportunity to show what he is made of.

The number one reason Bane is over rated because
2 The only image of Bane the general public has is a henchman not as his own man
thats because of the effects of BATMAN&ROBIN

Come on, it is not true, most people have seen B:TAS and the following serie and know Bane is cool, or can be cool. The character has not been used (what fans called) "properly", since Knightfall.

3 They don't give him an actual motive he is just a 2-D character

The only way to re energize this character is to make a story line of bane that works maybe the origin and not the usual plotline of The man who wants to beat the Batman that plot line is just to corny they could do so much more if they actaully work with him

I agree on that. He is 2-D character with a fake motive. Crush the bat. Wow. Looks like Kraven the hunter. they should have done more about the fact that he wanted to control the whole city, but again, very simplistic way to do or think things. your idea is not bad IMO.

The fact that you think Hush is a good villain kinda invalidates everything you say.

How so ?
That from you and you do not even write what is your opinion on the matter.

 

[Anubis]

Hush sucks. That's a well known fact.

And I can't answer that second question cuz it makes no sense.

 

[CConn]

Cool is is difficult to define, and Hush is a cold and calculating tactician too.

I mean cool in that he's calm. So, in this case, it's very easy to define.

Tommy Elliot is not calm when he calculates. At least not since the original Hush storyline. Ever since Hush was revealed to be Elliot, Tommy has proven to be an overly emotional, angry, and hateful person who still has numerous unresolved mommy and daddy issues. That's the exact opposite of cool.

Bane, however, while he certainly grew up in a very harsh environment - and was shaped by it greatly - doesn't have all of that hyper-sensitive emotional baggage to lug around. He's more of a philosopher of dominance than a child lashing out for revenge. And that's what makes him cool. He is, in most circumstances, a hard criminal, with a brilliance for both metal and physical combat that is rarely sidetracked by hot-headedness.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Why do people think Bane is overrated? Probably because they associate him with that mindless goon in B&R.

Bane is one of Batmans greatest villains...EASILY. He can match him physically but is also very cunning. As demonstrated in Knightfall. Getting other villains to break Batman down, then striking when the time is right.

I'd love to see an adaptation of Knightfall on film. Would be epic and really break the mold, seeing as it would end with the hero being defeated for once.

 

[The Joker]

Hush has the dumbest reasons in the world for hating Bruce Wayne.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

He truly does.

"Ohhh your mommy and daddy died but mine didn't! I hate you!"

WTF?

 

[Anubis]

Seriously....Hush sucks Clarky. You like Hush, therefore, your opinion sucks.

Poop + crap = s**t.

 

[CConn]

Hush was awesome when we didn't know who we was.

And before he talked.

Or was ever really seen.

 

[CLARKY]

No I disagree, I think it is cool to see Tommy beginning to be hateful toward Bruce. I think Heart of Hush was well done. It gives a back story for the character, and I think it was useful because his motives (in the Huhs arc) were as fake as Bane " I want to destroy the bat!".

I mean cool in that he's calm. So, in this case, it's very easy to define.
Tommy Elliot is not calm when he calculates. At least not since the original Hush storyline. Ever since Hush was revealed to be Elliot, Tommy has proven to be an overly emotional, angry, and hateful person who still has numerous unresolved mommy and daddy issues. That's the exact opposite of cool.

Bane, however, while he certainly grew up in a very harsh environment - and was shaped by it greatly - doesn't have all of that hyper-sensitive emotional baggage to lug around. He's more of a philosopher of dominance than a child lashing out for revenge. And that's what makes him cool. He is, in most circumstances, a hard criminal, with a brilliance for both metal and physical combat that is rarely sidetracked by hot-headedness.

Yeah I agree, you are right. Hush is not cool cold tactician or not anymore. Yet a child looking for revenge is not a bad concept IMO. Anyway We were not talking about potential but about over rating. Since Bane has not been used efficiently since Knight fall, I think it is the reason he is over rated. I was just making a comparison with Hush nothing more.

Hush sucks. That's a well known fact.
And I can't answer that second question cuz it makes no sense.

Well known fact ? For who ? Who decided he sucked or not ?!
More sense to your grey cells : you just wrote something out of the thread whose topic is Bane. So yeah, talk about Bane, express yourself bud, and then bash. Simple step 1, step 2. Hush sucks ? Well known fact .. wow. Impressive.

Seriously....Hush sucks Clarky. You like Hush, therefore, your opinion sucks.
Poop + crap = s**t.

Hey spam-boy, I do not know where you saw I liked Hush ?!?! I was doing a comparison because I was answering to the topic. Hush sucks ? I disagree. Why being so stupidly aggressiv from the beginning ? Is it your period of the month ? I was just talking and replying to the topic of the thread. So much for the conversation Anubis.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Funny ****.

 

[Drz]

You guys should read Paul Dini's "Heart of Hush" where Paul Dini fleshed out why Hush actually hates Bruce Wayne. It really makes the character alot better, ill put it in spoiler tag.

Spoiler

Thomas Elliot mother who survived the car crash just kept comparing Thomas to Bruce Wayne and how lousy of a son he truly was compared to allmighty Bruce. Not to mention the mother was over protective at camps and whatnot, making Thomas getting bullied.

The last straw came from Thomas actually finding peace in his life when getting into a relationship with a mafia daughter that causes Thomas' mother claim that he will never inherit the money and this causes Thomas to finally kill her off, making his last words to her mother be: Hush

Now Heart of Hush has alot more goodies regarding Hush, you guys should definatly pick it up and Streets of Gotham + Gotham Sirens is really making this guy a badass.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I've read that. Was it part of RIP?

 

[Drz]

Well the only thing tied to RIP was pretty much Hush being "hurr Black Glove wants to kill Bruce? I WILL DO IT 1ST!" :P

 

[Anubis]

No I disagree, I think it is cool to see Tommy beginning to be hateful toward Bruce. I think Heart of Hush was well done. It gives a back story for the character, and I think it was useful because his motives (in the Huhs arc) were as fake as Bane " I want to destroy the bat!".

Yeah I agree, you are right. Hush is not cool cold tactician or not anymore. Yet a child looking for revenge is not a bad concept IMO. Anyway We were not talking about potential but about over rating. Since Bane has not been used efficiently since Knight fall, I think it is the reason he is over rated. I was just making a comparison with Hush nothing more.

Well known fact ? For who ? Who decided he sucked or not ?!
More sense to your grey cells : you just wrote something out of the thread whose topic is Bane. So yeah, talk about Bane, express yourself bud, and then bash. Simple step 1, step 2. Hush sucks ? Well known fact .. wow. Impressive.

Hey spam-boy, I do not know where you saw I liked Hush ?!?! I was doing a comparison because I was answering to the topic. Hush sucks ? I disagree. Why being so stupidly aggressiv from the beginning ? Is it your period of the month ? I was just talking and replying to the topic of the thread. So much for the conversation Anubis.

Wow, way to catch feelings like....a week later.

 

[MysterioMenace]

I’ve never been especially impressed with Bane. I wouldn’t call him terrible, but he’s your traditional 90’s introduced villain. While he has been mischaracterized as unintelligent due to his physical appearance, I’ve never found his accomplishments to be nearly as severe as they were milked to be. He’s not the dimwitted meathead that most would imagine by looking at him, but I don’t believe he holds a candle to the brilliance, albeit also madness, of Riddler, Joker, Hatter and others.

Bane was given credit for physically defeating the Bat, which is true from a certain point of view. He broke Bruce’s back. I can’t deny that, nor would I try. The problem is that traditionally that achievement is taken very out of context. During Knightfall, Bane used Batman’s classic rogues gallery to wear him down, arguably giving them every bit as much of the success over Batman as Bane himself. Banes given the credit for what he ultimately owes others. It was a team effort, yet Bane fans seem to ignore or forget that vital detail. He storms into Wayne Manor and defeats a very weather-beaten and exhausted Bruce. This wasn’t Batman in his prime. Not even close.

Bane also simultaneously doesn’t mesh well with the psychological and archetypal staple villains of the Dark Knights rich history. For all intensive purposes, he’s primarily a glorified Mexican wrestler rip-off. He plays off of violence, not plot, as most early 90’s comics did, whereas Batman’s finest roles and stories revolve more around character. More then half of Batman rogues don’t even have superpowers and the points that they don’t need them. A psychical threat only goes so far. That’s a very superficial aspect that Batman tends to steer away from more then use. Bane doesn’t belong in Arkham, there’s no gothic aspect to him either. He stands out amongst Batman villains, and not in the good way. He’d mesh far better with a character more akin to Hulk. Batman’s not especially about physicality so much as the caricatures are about intellect and the power of the mind or the terror of madness, which truly is the ultimate weapon or fright. The venom drug will never compare.

It also doesn't help that many of Batman's writers don't like him for various reasons.

 

[Batmansince1939]

I’ve never been especially impressed with Bane. I wouldn’t call him terrible, but he’s your traditional 90’s introduced villain. While he has been mischaracterized as unintelligent due to his physical appearance, I’ve never found his accomplishments to be nearly as severe as they were milked to be. He’s not the dimwitted meathead that most would imagine by looking at him, but I don’t believe he holds a candle to the brilliance, albeit also madness, of Riddler, Joker, Hatter and others.

Bane was given credit for physically defeating the Bat, which is true from a certain point of view. He broke Bruce’s back. I can’t deny that, nor would I try. The problem is that traditionally that achievement is taken very out of context. During Knightfall, Bane used Batman’s classic rogues gallery to wear him down, arguably giving them every bit as much of the success over Batman as Bane himself. Banes given the credit for what he ultimately owes others. It was a team effort, yet Bane fans seem to ignore or forget that vital detail. He storms into Wayne Manor and defeats a very weather-beaten and exhausted Bruce. This wasn’t Batman in his prime. Not even close.

Bane also simultaneously doesn’t mesh well with the psychological and archetypal staple villains of the Dark Knights rich history. For all intensive purposes, he’s primarily a glorified Mexican wrestler rip-off. He plays off of violence, not plot, as most early 90’s comics did, whereas Batman’s finest roles and stories revolve more around character. More then half of Batman rogues don’t even have superpowers and the points that they don’t need them. A psychical threat only goes so far. That’s a very superficial aspect that Batman tends to steer away from more then use. Bane doesn’t belong in Arkham, there’s no gothic aspect to him either. He stands out amongst Batman villains, and not in the good way. He’d mesh far better with a character more akin to Hulk. Batman’s not especially about physicality so much as the caricatures are about intellect and the power of the mind or the terror of madness, which truly is the ultimate weapon or fright. The venom drug will never compare.

It also doesn't help that many of Batman's writers don't like him for various reasons.

I mean for the gothic aspect he looks like a bondage freak.... which is along the lines of the gothic aspect

and for going to arkham..... he is a man so messed up on steriods that he more then triples in size, idk that sounds like he might have type of mental problems

 

[Batmansince1939]

I’ve never been especially impressed with Bane. I wouldn’t call him terrible, but he’s your traditional 90’s introduced villain. While he has been mischaracterized as unintelligent due to his physical appearance, I’ve never found his accomplishments to be nearly as severe as they were milked to be. He’s not the dimwitted meathead that most would imagine by looking at him, but I don’t believe he holds a candle to the brilliance, albeit also madness, of Riddler, Joker, Hatter and others.



Bane was given credit for physically defeating the Bat, which is true from a certain point of view. He broke Bruce’s back. I can’t deny that, nor would I try. The problem is that traditionally that achievement is taken very out of context. During Knightfall, Bane used Batman’s classic rogues gallery to wear him down, arguably giving them every bit as much of the success over Batman as Bane himself. Banes given the credit for what he ultimately owes others. It was a team effort, yet Bane fans seem to ignore or forget that vital detail. He storms into Wayne Manor and defeats a very weather-beaten and exhausted Bruce. This wasn’t Batman in his prime. Not even close.



Bane also simultaneously doesn’t mesh well with the psychological and archetypal staple villains of the Dark Knights rich history. For all intensive purposes, he’s primarily a glorified Mexican wrestler rip-off. He plays off of violence, not plot, as most early 90’s comics did, whereas Batman’s finest roles and stories revolve more around character. More then half of Batman rogues don’t even have superpowers and the points that they don’t need them. A psychical threat only goes so far. That’s a very superficial aspect that Batman tends to steer away from more then use. Bane doesn’t belong in Arkham, there’s no gothic aspect to him either. He stands out amongst Batman villains, and not in the good way. He’d mesh far better with a character more akin to Hulk. Batman’s not especially about physicality so much as the caricatures are about intellect and the power of the mind or the terror of madness, which truly is the ultimate weapon or fright. The venom drug will never compare.



It also doesn't help that many of Batman's writers don't like him for various reasons.

I mean for the gothic aspect he looks like a bondage freak.... which is along the lines of the gothic aspect



and for going to arkham..... he is a man so messed up on steriods that he more then triples in size, idk that sounds like he might have some type of mental problems

 

[Batmansince1939]

I’ve never been especially impressed with Bane. I wouldn’t call him terrible, but he’s your traditional 90’s introduced villain. While he has been mischaracterized as unintelligent due to his physical appearance, I’ve never found his accomplishments to be nearly as severe as they were milked to be. He’s not the dimwitted meathead that most would imagine by looking at him, but I don’t believe he holds a candle to the brilliance, albeit also madness, of Riddler, Joker, Hatter and others.



Bane was given credit for physically defeating the Bat, which is true from a certain point of view. He broke Bruce’s back. I can’t deny that, nor would I try. The problem is that traditionally that achievement is taken very out of context. During Knightfall, Bane used Batman’s classic rogues gallery to wear him down, arguably giving them every bit as much of the success over Batman as Bane himself. Banes given the credit for what he ultimately owes others. It was a team effort, yet Bane fans seem to ignore or forget that vital detail. He storms into Wayne Manor and defeats a very weather-beaten and exhausted Bruce. This wasn’t Batman in his prime. Not even close.



Bane also simultaneously doesn’t mesh well with the psychological and archetypal staple villains of the Dark Knights rich history. For all intensive purposes, he’s primarily a glorified Mexican wrestler rip-off. He plays off of violence, not plot, as most early 90’s comics did, whereas Batman’s finest roles and stories revolve more around character. More then half of Batman rogues don’t even have superpowers and the points that they don’t need them. A psychical threat only goes so far. That’s a very superficial aspect that Batman tends to steer away from more then use. Bane doesn’t belong in Arkham, there’s no gothic aspect to him either. He stands out amongst Batman villains, and not in the good way. He’d mesh far better with a character more akin to Hulk. Batman’s not especially about physicality so much as the caricatures are about intellect and the power of the mind or the terror of madness, which truly is the ultimate weapon or fright. The venom drug will never compare.



It also doesn't help that many of Batman's writers don't like him for various reasons.

I mean for the gothic aspect he looks like a bondage freak.... which is along the lines of the gothic aspect



and for going to arkham..... he is a man so messed up on steriods that he more then triples in size, idk that sounds like he might have some type of mental problems

 

[CLARKY]

^Triple post man.

Wow, way to catch feelings like....a week later.

Yeah sorry about that anubis, I recently bought a busy life.

 

[Evil Twin]

Bane's problems are mainly of motivation. What are his goals beyond breaking the bat? It doesn't help that the character is supposed to be smart and sane while his main goal doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

His costume also needs updating.

He served his purpose in Knightfall, but noone has come up with an effective long-term direction for him since. He's not had the ambition to build an empire. He's not psychotic. And, his physical abilities aren't that impressive. At this point, he doesn't bring out anything really interesting in Batman other than being a physical challenge. And you have the more visually interesting Croc for that.

 

[The Joker]

Bane's problems are mainly of motivation. What are his goals beyond breaking the bat? It doesn't help that the character is supposed to be smart and sane while his main goal doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

What? Didn't you read Knightfall? His goal was to break Batman and take over Gotham. After he broke Batman, he and his little gang took out all the other gangs in Gotham, and took over all the rackets and lurks and criminal empires in Gotham.

As Bane said to Batman before he broke him: "Gotham: the ultimate prize. You have it. I want it".

 

[Evil Twin]

What? Didn't you read Knightfall? His goal was to break Batman and take over Gotham. After he broke Batman, he and his little gang took out all the other gangs in Gotham, and took over all the rackets and lurks and criminal empires in Gotham.

As Bane said to Batman before he broke him: "Gotham: the ultimate prize. You have it. I want it".

There's no particular reason Bane should be fixated on Gotham. Never has been, other than it's related to Batman. (And Bane's fixation on Batman was always thin and has gotten thinner over the years.)

And, again, we're talking post-Knightfall here. What are his current goals since he's seemingly gotten over his Batman fixation?

 

[Hound55]

And, again, we're talking post-Knightfall here. What are his current goals since he's seemingly gotten over his Batman fixation?

THIS is what needs to be brought to the fore.

Personally, I think Bane need not be a one run, shallow character.

I'd like to see him written as being a complete sociopath who is hell-bent on attaining/becoming perfection and that his fixation with Batman is based on a steadfast belief that Bats is the pinacle of mankind.

Wouldn't mind seeing an enigmatic figure out there ending criminal activities across Gotham, an unknown Vigilante who Batman hasn't figured and no-one has seen (and those who have seen are too terrified to talk) with the reality being that Bane is simultaneously training himself to take on Bats and simultaneously taking Batman out of the loop and "softening him up" (which isn't working as Bruce trains as hard as ever, albeit in less realistic scenarios). Bane is eventually revealed and beats Bats mentally (Bane's plan), breaking a limb and taunting Bats beforeleaving the scene as a Nightwing or Huntress, etc arrive looking to weaken Bats to defeat later (the injury also adds to making Bruce a "softer" fighter since it takes him out of action somewhat whilst rehabilitating the injury...).

I want to see him go back to a man with a plan and some depth, geez... Writers have this character with a big rep who's basically a blank slate in terms of character development.

 

[howl]

not overrated. the poor fella is just misunderstood. hehe
i rate him highly- he's one of my fave bat villains

 

[Nepenthes]

er so no one here is reading Secret Six? loosers

it will show you Bane that will unmake you