Why Do Republicans Appear To Be So Disrespectful to President Obama?

[herakles]

Israel is a rather lousy ally. Politically and militarily, they bring next to nothing to the table, since they're a pariah state in their region. Relations have been frosty for years. Netenayhu lately has been ruder to the president than the Ayatollah.

Israel is the only stable nation in the region. Even more stable than Turkey and Egypt. IF say Kurdistan became independent and got Kirkuk and started bringing stability to the region then I could say that Israel is not a critical a ally.

 

[Grievous]

I took it from your comment that you don't like how many liberals are in the Politics section, that's why you avoid this section.

I always find it funny when someone comments about something and they're called a liberal/conservative/Republican/Democrat/. I have liberal tendencies and I have conservative tendencies. This partisan politics bullcrap just shows how many people are incapable of forming their own opinions.

One comment does not mean someone is a liberal or conservative.

I wouldn't say I avoid this section because I don't like being around a lot of liberals. Some of my close friends are democrats. I mainly avoid this thread because I know this section is the prime part of shh for arguments and debate, and when I'm home and relaxing I don't want to get into a debate every time I get on shh.

What I personally find funny is how I have not called anyone a liberal technically. I said ''comes off as liberal to me'' not ''this forum is full of liberals'' I also said you can tell which party people lean toward. Not which party people are a part of.

But if you were merely stating you don't like when people express opinions and get labeled then I agree with you. But if you were implying I am someone on this forum giving people liberal and conservative labels left and right, then what I have said above is my argument against that.

 

[chaseter]

Agreed. To me, the Democratic party is the lesser of two evils.

Don't vote for either of them.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Israel is the only stable nation in the region. Even more stable than Turkey and Egypt. IF say Kurdistan became independent and got Kirkuk and started bringing stability to the region then I could say that Israel is not a critical a ally.

Just because it's stable doesn't make it particularly useful. Israel can't deploy its military in any conflict because it's a pariah state in the region.

 

[herakles]

Just because it's stable doesn't make it particularly useful. Israel can't deploy its military in any conflict because it's a pariah state in the region.

it is useful because of geography and Mossad

 

[SV Fan]

it is useful because of geography and Mossad

Here is the problem you are thinking that the US for some reason should have a foothold in the middle east. I thought we were a Republic not an Empire.

It amazes me the people who shout the loudest about personal freedoms seem to want the most to go to other places and enforce their will on other countries. Simple fact is unless a country is a DIRECT threat to the US, then the US should not be engaging in war(and it seems like people who cry they a direct treat are stretching the truth when how much a threat they are). Let's be honest here if the Middle Wast didn't have Oil the US would treat them the same as they do most countries in Africa that are victims of extremism.

 

[herakles]

Here is the problem you are thinking that the US for some reason should have a foothold in the middle east. I thought we were a Republic not an Empire.

It amazes me the people who shout the loudest about personal freedoms seem to want the most to go to other places and enforce their will on other countries. Simple fact is unless a country is a DIRECT threat to the US, then the US should not be engaging in war(and it seems like people who cry they a direct treat are stretching the truth when how much a threat they are). Let's be honest here if the Middle Wast didn't have Oil the US would treat them the same as they do most countries in Africa that are victims of extremism.

Stop being naïve SV! The United States IS an Empire! Just look at how we conduct ourselves. We just are not a monarchy. Yes you are correct, as long as the US depends on Crude there will be a US presence there. Also as long the world relies on Crude the Near/Middle East will be relevant. Once a new technology is developed that replaces crude the US will no longer need to have Israel as an ally and the Oil Sheiks will lose all their power.

 

[SV Fan]

Stop being naïve SV! The United States IS an Empire!

And that their is our problem. We are an empire without all the positives of being one(ie taking over people's land and wealth). We are like some Bizarro Empire who actually gives tons of cash to other places. lol

Once a new technology is developed that replaces crude the US will no longer need to have Israel

I have no problem having Israel as an ally(oil in the middle east or not), but they(or shall I say Netanyahu) should not be the one dictating how we spend our money.

 

[BestGirl]

It would be nice if Israel supporters would tell us what specifically Israel does for us as an ally and why no other Middle Eastern country could do the same thing.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Israel's alliance with the US is almost entirely religious and ideological. Strategically and diplomatically, they bring very little to the table.

Lately it's also been a rather thankful job, on account of Netanyahu's nationalistic anti-American administration.

 

[SV Fan]

It would be nice if Israel supporters would tell us what specifically Israel does for us as an ally and why no other Middle Eastern country could do the same thing.

Israel is America's best ally always comes off to me like a talking point more then an actual fact

 

[Thundercrack85]

Netanyahu has really damaged the relationship. He's starting to turn support of Israel into a partisan issue. Even Israeli moderates have started to realize that.

 

[herakles]

Netanyahu has really damaged the relationship. He's starting to turn support of Israel into a partisan issue. Even Israeli moderates have started to realize that.

You don't think some of the insulting things this Administration has said about BiBi hasn't hurt relations.

 

[herakles]

It would be nice if Israel supporters would tell us what specifically Israel does for us as an ally and why no other Middle Eastern country could do the same thing.

Israel is the only stable democratic nation in the Near East. Egypt has gone from dictatorship to Militant Islamic Republic/Theocracy back to Military Dictatorship, Turkey has gone from Nationalistic/Racist Secular Republic to borderline Hardline Islamic Republic/Theocracy, Iraq is about to splinter into two nations, Iran is a Islamic Theocracy, Saudi Arabia is a vaguely disguise support of Militant Islam, don't even talk about Syria/Lebanon.

Then you have Jordan. A nation that is very much like Israel except it is a constitutional monarchy. ALL those nations have Palestinian refugees and ALL of them (possible exception of Jordan) treat those people like 2nd class citizens! They deny Palestinians citizenship, housing and jobs all under the guise of making sure that Palestinians "remember" who they are!

Also IF Israel puts it's guns down will be no Israel and there will be a 2nd Jewish genocide just there is a Near Eastern Christian genocide happening now. IF Hamas puts down their guns there will be peace.

I am Greek Orthodox so most those people follow my brand/favor of Christianity. The Ottomans murdered millions of Eastern Christians while the West sat on it's hands and it is happening again. So I get why Israel are so quick "to go to the mattresses!!" when ever they sniff any attack aimed towards them. Most of the Americans who post here probably don't have family who suffered under war. Yes they may have family who served but not being a civilian living under war. Israel does and that is why they act the way they act!

 

[chaseter]

But Israel takes land which causes conflict.

 

[SV Fan]

You don't think some of the insulting things this Administration has said about BiBi hasn't hurt relations.

Such as...

I would like to know a few things they stated publicly(and please no second hand sources, I want direct quotes)

 

[CaptainCraig]

Such as...

I would like to know a few things they stated publicly(and please no second hand sources, I want direct quotes)

Washington Post delves into just that.

That time Obama and French President Nicolas Sarkozy chuckled over how much they didn’t like Netanyahu. The time, in 2010, when Vice President Biden was blindsided on a trip to Israel by an Interior Ministry announcement of new housing units for Jews in East Jerusalem. And who can forget when senior Obama officials reportedly called Netanyahu “chickens–t” and “Aspergery”?

While Obama was running for the U.S. Senate in 2004, for example, he criticized Israel’s West Bank security barrier, which the Republican Jewish Coalition later seized upon, according to JTA. Writing in “The Crisis of Zionism,” Beinart called Obama’s criticism “remarkable,” given that 361 members of the House that same year had passed a resolution in support of the barrier.

This is a start perhaps Herakles will give you more but it does show this administrations anti-Israel views.

 

[SV Fan]

Washington Post delves into just that.

This is a start perhaps Herakles will give you more but it does show this administrations anti-Israel views.

As I said DIRECT QUOTES, not second hand info. By the way in the case of Obama and French President Nicolas Sarkozy, it was Sarkozy who was speaking crap about Netanyahu, Obama just acknowledged him not tipping his hat one way or the other. It should also be noted that both believed the convo was off the record. What was Obama supposed to do tell Sarkozy Bibi is my #1 buddy because he is from Israel then punch him in the face?

It should be noted I specifically asked for direct quotes because I knew full well the 2 examples in the first quote were going to be used(both which don't have direct quotes to any one person, well other then the French President)

While Obama was running for the U.S. Senate in 2004, for example, he criticized Israel’s West Bank security barrier, which the Republican Jewish Coalition later seized upon, according to JTA. Writing in “The Crisis of Zionism,” Beinart called Obama’s criticism “remarkable,” given that 361 members of the House that same year had passed a resolution in support of the barrier.

So he has a different opinion(from 2004 to boot) and that somehow makes him come off bad to Israel. And who the hell is Beinart and why should his opinion matter

ETA: I looked up Beinhart and that would be the equivalent of using Rachel Maddow opinion as a source when somebody wants to put down Republicans

 

[hippie_hunter]

Actually SV, Obama completely agreed with Sarkozy when he was talking crap with Netanyahu. Obama's direct quote is "You're tired of him; what about me? I have to deal with him every day." Granted I completely agree with Obama on this one, so I really don't see trash talking that piece of filth to be a bad thing.

 

[hippie_hunter]

This is a start perhaps Herakles will give you more but it does show this administrations anti-Israel views.

The Obama Administration isn't anti-Israel. If the Obama Administration were anti-Israel, they would have supported Palestinian efforts to join the UN and would have ended all military aid to Israel. What the Obama Administration is doing is calling out Netanyahu's Cabinet for the way they have been conducting war, illegally annexing Palestinian lands, treating the Palestinian people, lying, and being utterly disrespectful to the Obama Administration.

 

[SV Fan]

Actually SV, Obama completely agreed with Sarkozy when he was talking crap with Netanyahu. Obama's direct quote is "You're tired of him; what about me? I have to deal with him every day." Granted I completely agree with Obama on this one, so I really don't see trash talking that piece of filth to be a bad thing.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/08/us-mideast-netanyahu-sarkozy-idUSTRE7A720120111108

"I cannot bear Netanyahu, he's a liar," Sarkozy told Obama, unaware that the microphones in their meeting room had been switched on, enabling reporters in a separate location to listen in to a simultaneous translation.

"You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you," Obama replied, according to the French interpreter.

Don't get me wrong Obama in no way even bother defending Netanyahu but all he said was he had to deal with him more in response to Sarkozy's comment. It seems like Obama tried giving a political answer trying not to outright agree with him but give him a nod he might have a point. I definitely see how that can be used again Obama though but if you only look at his words it not so terrible.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Damn, HH. You really dislike Netanyahu. Not that I can really disagree.

I never knew anything about the man until he became prime minister. Ever since, he's seemed to do everything he can to undo all the peace progress there's been since... I guess the Camp David Accords, and to damage Israel's relations with well, everyone.

The guy has done more for the Palestinian's cause than Hamas could ever dream of doing.

I think Netanyahu's problem is that he's never heard the old saying "respect the office, not the man". Not liking Obama personally is one thing. But he's insulting the president of the United States, and by proxy the country.

 

[SV Fan]

Damn, HH. You really dislike Netanyahu. Not that I can really disagree.

Netanyahu is a honorary NEOCON plan and simple, probably even worse then most in the Bush administration. I think he has been pushing Iran having nukes for 20 years and he was front and center telling us how evil Iraq was with their nukes.

 

[Thundercrack85]

You don't think some of the insulting things this Administration has said about BiBi hasn't hurt relations.

Has Obama openly supported Netanyahu political rival in the middle of an election?

Has Obama gone to the Knesset without Netanyahu's invitation, or without consulting him to sink a peace deal he is working on?

Not even going into the little things, like the comments of Moshe Apartheid Ya'alon.

 

[herakles]

Washington Post delves into just that.





This is a start perhaps Herakles will give you more but it does show this administrations anti-Israel views.

I am not going to bother SV is most likely an Obama koolaid drinker will not listen to anything negative about this President.