Why Do Republicans Appear To Be So Disrespectful to President Obama?

[hitmanyr2k]

Obama RIPPED into Bush while a Jr Senator. He was disrespectful during his campaign and first 2 years of his 1st term.

How do you not rip into Bush? He deserved all the criticism that was thrown at him. I thought he got off easy. His administration spear-headed invading a region haphazardly throwing caution to the wind fantasizing that we'd be welcomed as "liberators" And if that wasn't bad enough he stupidly put our troops in harm's way in foreign territory and said "bring'em on" to the enemy with his cowboy bravado while sitting safely in the White house. And guess what? They brought it. Insurgents came out of the woodwork and sectarian violence was widespread. As a result of this bonehead war we de-stabilized the region and Iraq became our charity case because we broke their damn country and it was in chaos. Our tax dollars went into rebuilding everything we screwed up over there. Their new government was a sham. We trained Iraqi forces since 2005 and what good did that do since they just rolled over. And meanwhile as the war was in the forefront and we were pouring billions into Iraq our country was eroding.

Ron Paul's billboard said it best...

 

[Thundercrack85]

I think the fundamental problem in this debate is that people here don't agree on what criticism is warranted, and what isn't.

 

[herakles]

I think the fundamental problem in this debate is that people here don't agree on what criticism is warranted, and what isn't.

Opinions are like a55 we all have one and they all stink lol

 

[Supernova]

Because they all act like children.

 

[terry78]

You can say ass on here you know.

 

[Taarna]

Please excuse my ignorance for I'm not as old as some of you well-informed and knowledgable political Hypesters. And specifically to some of you who identify as Republican or anyone for that matter, hopefully you don't get offended for some reason. I've noticed that throughout Barack Obama's presidency, it seems that some Republicans don't merely disagree with Obama nor showcase their displeasure. Some are straight up disrespectful to this man.

The recent example was last night when the President said he no more campaigns to run. A good amount of the Republican side applauded before Obama checked them real quick.

Do I have a point or does this post have no grounds?

Yes and no.

Obama seems to be a welcome fool toward those who want to harm the USA and our allies. Bowing to Arabs, and blaming the USA. What has he said and done?

Spying on Germany? Terrible.

Telling Israel to go back to 1967 boarders? THis is our best ally.

Offering double talk to close Gitmo in Cuba yet as we know it remains open?

Telling Bush the national debt was unpatriotic, then running up the highest debt amount of all presidents combined?


Using the executive order status to circumvent Congress is rather dangerous and it kills the checks and balances the nation was founded on, yet Obama uses them and threatens to use them.

On the personal side he is viewed as a lazy and uncompromising. Playing golf, and even forcing a wedding party to move for his vacation? Bill Clinton did fine work with a Republican lead congress. Obama can not.

I think the REP's have some points on the above.

 

[herakles]

You can say ass on here you know.

I didn't know. thanks for the intel

 

[Thundercrack85]

Lately I feel like the Politics section has turned into the comments section of a Fox News article.

A few things, Taarna. The US and indeed most big countries spy on each other constantly. Even allies. This is common knowledge among world leaders.

Also, how is telling Israel to go back to it's 67 border so controversial? Bush said the same damn thing in 1992. So did his son. Well, actually Bush Jr. wanted pre-1967 borders.

Also, how is Israel America's best ally?

How is Obama supposed to work with a party that is this hostile and reactionary?

I take issue with others thing you said, but let's start with that.

 

[Decepticonus]

I just love the title of this thread - Why do Republicans APPEAR to be disrespectful to Obama?

Appear, they don't appear to be, they blatantly are disrespectful to the man.

Yes and no.

Obama seems to be a welcome fool toward those who want to harm the USA and our allies. Bowing to Arabs, and blaming the USA. What has he said and done?

Spying on Germany? Terrible.

Telling Israel to go back to 1967 boarders? THis is our best ally.

Offering double talk to close Gitmo in Cuba yet as we know it remains open?

Telling Bush the national debt was unpatriotic, then running up the highest debt amount of all presidents combined?


Using the executive order status to circumvent Congress is rather dangerous and it kills the checks and balances the nation was founded on, yet Obama uses them and threatens to use them.

On the personal side he is viewed as a lazy and uncompromising. Playing golf, and even forcing a wedding party to move for his vacation? Bill Clinton did fine work with a Republican lead congress. Obama can not.

I think the REP's have some points on the above.

To be fair, America has done some bad things but when has he completely come out and said "we ****ed up". Besides, he replaces it with new **** ups for the most part, so complete equilibrium there.

Spying on Germany? OK now that's news to me and odd, given they want to open up towards the West in order to curb the East.

Israel? Don't get me wrong, I support Israel but I could careless what he tells them. I think Israel has shown they can handle themselves pretty well in defense, UNLESS Iran points nukes at them.

Saying to close club gitmo and then not doing it? Are you surprised? I'm not defending the man, trust me, but really what politician hasn't done this?

Ahhh yes that glorious national debt. Pretty sure Obama is not #1 at that. The Penguin-er I mean FDR is still #1 at that, but hey blame the war... if you want.

And those pesky executive orders. He passed 203 E.O.'s...so far. Whereas, Bush passed 291. To give some further context, I'll give you the top 10
1.) FDR - 3,721 (but in fairness he was there for 12 years)
2.) Wilson - 1,803 (the birth of big government as some may argue, certainly debatable)
3.) Calvin Coolidge - 1,203 (Odd, given he was Regan's favorite and is gaining a niche' conservative resurgence)
4.) Theodore Roosevelt - 1,081
5.) Hebert Hoover - 968
6.) Truman - 907
7.) Taft - 724
8.) Harding - 522
9.) Eisenhower - 484
10. Regan - 381 (hmm, so much for small, limited, government)

Now, I understand this completely circumvents our constitution and checks and balances. No argument there, just trying to give some context here. Plus, don't forget he's had to deal with an asinine Congress that won't allow him to get anything done, so cannot say I blame him, though it may not be right.

Finally, lazy and uncompromising? Like the Republicans aren't uncompromising. Yes, he goes on trips so did Bush so did almost any president in the 20th century. Clinton, did do well with a Republican congress - yes! BUT a slightly more moderate time. Clinton held himself as a moderate and was viewed as a moderate. Obama termed himself a progressive more or less early on, but has been inching more towards a moderate. But the current climate is awful. Progressive basically means socialist now. They made up their minds about him early on and let it stick. When a girl I know who is a self-described Marxist, considers him centre-right in her world view. More than ever have Republicans become more ideological, dogmatic and uncompromising. It's not that Obama can't get along with a Republican congress. It's that a Republican congress REFUSES to get along with Obama.

 

[SV Fan]

Also, how is Israel America's best ally?

I think that's how they describe themselves when they asking for foreign aid. lol

Truth is America might be Israel's best ally but the US has much better "allies" then Israel(one's who don't expect handouts).

I may not be the most patriotic person, but it's my belief most countries in this world should be kissing the US's butt and thanking America for how much it wastes on defense spending(money those countries don't have to spend), but hey we hate moochers right

You can't tell me this isn't beyond ridiculous. How many of those countries on that list would have to increase their defense spending tomorrow if the US just decided to slash our budget in half.

 

[Decepticonus]

I think that's how they describe themselves when they asking for foreign aid. lol

Truth is America might be Israel's best ally but the US has much better "allies" then Israel(one's who don't expect handouts).

I may not be the most patriotic person, but it's my belief most countries in this world should be kissing the US's butt and thanking America for how much it wastes on defense spending(money those countries don't have to spend), but hey we hate moochers right

You can't tell me this isn't beyond ridiculous. How many of those countries on that list would have to increase their defense spending tomorrow if the US just decided to slash our budget in half.

Bwahahahaha! Hilarious and horrible depressing.

 

[Thundercrack85]

One has to wonder why some of those countries even have a military.

 

[zeroapoc]

France 4th highest of the rest? Really? How much could it possibly cost to surrender?



Too soon?

 

[Taarna]

Taarna wrote

Obama seems to be a welcome fool toward those who want to harm the USA and our allies. Bowing to Arabs, and blaming the USA. What has he said and done?

Spying on Germany? Terrible.

Telling Israel to go back to 1967 boarders? THis is our best ally.

Offering double talk to close Gitmo in Cuba yet as we know it remains open?

Telling Bush the national debt was unpatriotic, then running up the highest debt amount of all presidents combined?


Using the executive order status to circumvent Congress is rather dangerous and it kills the checks and balances the nation was founded on, yet Obama uses them and threatens to use them.

On the personal side he is viewed as a lazy and uncompromising. Playing golf, and even forcing a wedding party to move for his vacation? Bill Clinton did fine work with a Republican lead congress. Obama can not.

I think the REP's have some points on the above.

I just love the title of this thread - Why do Republicans APPEAR to be disrespectful to Obama?

Appear, they don't appear to be, they blatantly are disrespectful to the man.



To be fair, America has done some bad things but when has he completely come out and said "we ****ed up". Besides, he replaces it with new **** ups for the most part, so complete equilibrium there.

Spying on Germany? OK now that's news to me and odd, given they want to open up towards the West in order to curb the East.

Israel? Don't get me wrong, I support Israel but I could careless what he tells them. I think Israel has shown they can handle themselves pretty well in defense, UNLESS Iran points nukes at them.

Saying to close club gitmo and then not doing it? Are you surprised? I'm not defending the man, trust me, but really what politician hasn't done this?

Ahhh yes that glorious national debt. Pretty sure Obama is not #1 at that. The Penguin-er I mean FDR is still #1 at that, but hey blame the war... if you want.

And those pesky executive orders. He passed 203 E.O.'s...so far. Whereas, Bush passed 291. To give some further context, I'll give you the top 10
1.) FDR - 3,721 (but in fairness he was there for 12 years)
2.) Wilson - 1,803 (the birth of big government as some may argue, certainly debatable)
3.) Calvin Coolidge - 1,203 (Odd, given he was Regan's favorite and is gaining a niche' conservative resurgence)
4.) Theodore Roosevelt - 1,081
5.) Hebert Hoover - 968
6.) Truman - 907
7.) Taft - 724
8.) Harding - 522
9.) Eisenhower - 484
10. Regan - 381 (hmm, so much for small, limited, government)

Now, I understand this completely circumvents our constitution and checks and balances. No argument there, just trying to give some context here. Plus, don't forget he's had to deal with an asinine Congress that won't allow him to get anything done, so cannot say I blame him, though it may not be right.

Finally, lazy and uncompromising? Like the Republicans aren't uncompromising. Yes, he goes on trips so did Bush so did almost any president in the 20th century. Clinton, did do well with a Republican congress - yes! BUT a slightly more moderate time. Clinton held himself as a moderate and was viewed as a moderate. Obama termed himself a progressive more or less early on, but has been inching more towards a moderate. But the current climate is awful. Progressive basically means socialist now. They made up their minds about him early on and let it stick. When a girl I know who is a self-described Marxist, considers him centre-right in her world view. More than ever have Republicans become more ideological, dogmatic and uncompromising. It's not that Obama can't get along with a Republican congress. It's that a Republican congress REFUSES to get along with Obama.

Yes, his administration was caught spying on the German Chancellor. There goes the trust on a key Euro ally.

The executive orders in the past were mostly necessities. Obama did not need to use them when he had both houses or the senate. This could explain his low use of this power in his first 4 years. Now he's Obama using them to circumvent the political process on major laws. Therein is the difference.

Obama said he wanted to be open and transparent. This did not happen. He did not work with the elected people on the other side of the isle on his health care plan, and duped the public telling them if they like their insurance they can keep it. Now my insurance has been downgraded in preparation for Obama's luxury tax to fun the program.

Finally the labor rate is at it lowest in years. Rich corporations are doing well, but the middle class is going backward. This puts a burden on the tax payers to support those in need and those who ahem, scam the system. By the way I am for taxing the rich a bit more. I'm a moderate. Just calling Obama out for what he has said and done.

 

[herakles]

taarna wrote

obama seems to be a welcome fool toward those who want to harm the usa and our allies. Bowing to arabs, and blaming the usa. What has he said and done?

Spying on germany? Terrible.

Telling israel to go back to 1967 boarders? This is our best ally.

Offering double talk to close gitmo in cuba yet as we know it remains open?

Telling bush the national debt was unpatriotic, then running up the highest debt amount of all presidents combined?


Using the executive order status to circumvent congress is rather dangerous and it kills the checks and balances the nation was founded on, yet obama uses them and threatens to use them.

On the personal side he is viewed as a lazy and uncompromising. Playing golf, and even forcing a wedding party to move for his vacation? Bill clinton did fine work with a republican lead congress. Obama can not.

I think the rep's have some points on the above.




Yes, his administration was caught spying on the german chancellor. There goes the trust on a key euro ally.

The executive orders in the past were mostly necessities. Obama is using them to circumvent the political process on major laws. Therein is the difference.

Obama said he wanted to be open and transparent. This did not happen. He did not work with the elected people on the other side of the isle on his health care plan, and duped the public telling them if they like their insurance they can keep it. Now my insurance has been downgraded in preparation for obama's luxury tax to fun the program.

Finally the labor rate is at it lowest in years. Rich corporations are doing well, but the middle class is going backward. This puts a burden on the tax payers to support those in need and those who ahem, scam the system. By the way i am for taxing the rich a bit more. I'm a moderate. Just calling obama for what he has said and done.

well said!!!!!

 

[Taarna]

Lately I feel like the Politics section has turned into the comments section of a Fox News article.

A few things, Taarna. The US and indeed most big countries spy on each other constantly. Even allies. This is common knowledge among world leaders.

Also, how is telling Israel to go back to it's 67 border so controversial? Bush said the same damn thing in 1992. So did his son. Well, actually Bush Jr. wanted pre-1967 borders.

Also, how is Israel America's best ally?

How is Obama supposed to work with a party that is this hostile and reactionary?

I take issue with others thing you said, but let's start with that.

I don't watch or need to watch Fox news to state the obvious. But the obvious is not always given front page news. In fact the news itself is political.

If Fox news has the facts and the truth, it is just that. If CBS doesn't air it, its an obvious omission of the truth. The news used to have journalistic integrity, and tell the truth. Not so much anymore. Both sides are flawed. I let the facts rule.

The USA has special relations with Canada, Israel, and the UK. These alliances are built on trust, and the USA is not stealing data or wire tapping them. Germany was a key ally. Now they do not trust us. Now that we were caught, others who faction with us are not so sure where we stand.

Spying as you put it is for China, Russia, Iran, North Korea....nations like them.

Israel is our best ally when push comes to shove, and they are strategically located in a hot spot of terrorist / rouge groups that wish to do us harm. You could say they are always on the front line and count on our support. the USA and Israel share intelligence reports. Telling this type of ally to give up land they won in war and boarders that have been the same since 1973 which makes them vulnerable to attack again is a Shakespearian level type of back stab to people who live in danger every day.

As for how can Obama work with the other side? Its called compromise. You allow us to green light Keystone, and well back you on another project. I do not see Obama doing that or saying that in public. In his speeches he threatens veto and executive actions.

 

[herakles]

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As for how can Obama work with the other side? Its called compromise. You allow us to green light Keystone, and well back you on another project. I do not see Obama doing that or saying that in public. In his speeches he threatens veto and executive actions.

Yeah but all the Liberals say he is such a compromiser!

 

[hippie_hunter]

Obama seems to be a welcome fool toward those who want to harm the USA and our allies. Bowing to Arabs, and blaming the USA. What has he said and done?

Obama attempted to reset relations with various nations that we have had poor relations with in the past. Frankly, most of this has blown up in his face, some of which can be blamed on him, some of which was completely out of his control.

Spying on Germany? Terrible.

Terrible yes. But it's standard procedure really.

Telling Israel to go back to 1967 boarders? THis is our best ally.

More like our worst ally. Israel under Netanyahu has been utterly disrespectful towards the United States and has continually isolated Israel to the point where no one in the international community wants to work with him. Israel has no right to the lands past their 1967 borders. It's time for Israel to accept that fact.

Offering double talk to close Gitmo in Cuba yet as we know it remains open?

Obama could have done more to close Camp X-Ray in Guantanamo Bay, but to fair, this is an issue where his hands are tied up. Legally, we have no idea what to do with these terrorists including the alleged mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. We have nowhere to put these terrorists because no state in the United States wants to accept them in their jails nor does any country want them back. And if we just let them go, there's the dilemma that they'll just go back to plotting against the United States. And Congress refuses to fund purchasing or building a prison to hold them in the United States.

Telling Bush the national debt was unpatriotic, then running up the highest debt amount of all presidents combined?

The debt has become nothing but a stupid ignorant talking point of politicians on both sides. It was hypocritical for Obama to attack Bush on the debt and oppose raising the debt ceiling only for him to attack Republicans on the same issue years later.

Using the executive order status to circumvent Congress is rather dangerous and it kills the checks and balances the nation was founded on, yet Obama uses them and threatens to use them.

I think his immigration executive order is going to be very interesting to watch in court.

On the personal side he is viewed as a lazy and uncompromising. Playing golf, and even forcing a wedding party to move for his vacation? Bill Clinton did fine work with a Republican lead congress. Obama can not.

I wouldn't say that he's viewed as lazy and uncompromising. More like far too aloof, far too professorial, far too insular. But it's unfair to use the analogy of Clinton and the Republicans. This isn't the 90's anymore. We live in a more polarized partisan America where both parties are shifting more to the ideological extremes. Compromise is very hard to come by, if not impossible.

Both Republicans and Obama deserve a lot of criticism for their intransigence.

The executive orders in the past were mostly necessities. Obama did not need to use them when he had both houses or the senate. This could explain his low use of this power in his first 4 years. Now he's Obama using them to circumvent the political process on major laws. Therein is the difference.

If Obama does get struck down on his orders on immigration, I think his motives is what is going to be his downfall. The point of executive orders is to make the Executive Branch more effective in enforcing the law (like the immigration orders of Reagan and Bush). Obama on the other hand, has directly stated that he's doing this to go against Congress.

Just because Congress has failed to take on an issue, doesn't give the President authority on said issue. It's just like the recent immigration laws in Arizona that got struck down, just because the Federal government has been ineffective, doesn't give the states the right to take on immigration policy.

Obama said he wanted to be open and transparent. This did not happen. He did not work with the elected people on the other side of the isle on his health care plan, and duped the public telling them if they like their insurance they can keep it.

Openness and transparency is my biggest criticism of the Obama Administration.

The USA has special relations with Canada, Israel, and the UK. These alliances are built on trust, and the USA is not stealing data or wire tapping them. Germany was a key ally. Now they do not trust us. Now that we were caught, others who faction with us are not so sure where we stand.

Spying as you put it is for China, Russia, Iran, North Korea....nations like them.

Spying is for every nation. And our allies have spied on us in the past. Israel has gotten caught red handed several times.

Israel is our best ally when push comes to shove, and they are strategically located in a hot spot of terrorist / rouge groups that wish to do us harm. You could say they are always on the front line and count on our support. the USA and Israel share intelligence reports. Telling this type of ally to give up land they won in war and boarders that have been the same since 1973 which makes them vulnerable to attack again is a Shakespearian level type of back stab to people who live in danger every day.

I hope one day Netanyahu rots in jail for his war crimes.

As for how can Obama work with the other side? Its called compromise. You allow us to green light Keystone, and well back you on another project. I do not see Obama doing that or saying that in public. In his speeches he threatens veto and executive actions.

As I said above, compromise in today's era is almost impossible. People calling out just Obama or just the Republicans are equally ignorant IMO.

 

[Grievous]

Lately I feel like the Politics section has turned into the comments section of a Fox News article.

A few things, Taarna. The US and indeed most big countries spy on each other constantly. Even allies. This is common knowledge among world leaders.

Also, how is telling Israel to go back to it's 67 border so controversial? Bush said the same damn thing in 1992. So did his son. Well, actually Bush Jr. wanted pre-1967 borders.

Also, how is Israel America's best ally?

How is Obama supposed to work with a party that is this hostile and reactionary?

I take issue with others thing you said, but let's start with that.

I don't take issue with it much, especially how often the politics section of the boards comes off as liberal to me. Primary reason I don't post in this section daily.

 

[Feenix]

I don't take issue with it much, especially how often the politics section of the boards comes off as liberal to me. Primary reason I don't post in this section daily.

What do you mean by that?

 

[Grievous]

What do you mean by that?

Your post basically answered your own question.

It's not rocket science to find out which party a person leans toward based on their comments. Thunder was complaining about all the right leaning comments he was reading. I was saying based on my own experiences I've seen post on here that def leaned left.

 

[Greens]

As I said above, compromise in today's era is almost impossible. People calling out just Obama or just the Republicans are equally ignorant IMO.

Agreed. To me, the Democratic party is the lesser of two evils.

 

[SV Fan]

More like our worst ally. Israel under Netanyahu has been utterly disrespectful towards the United States and has continually isolated Israel to the point where no one in the international community wants to work with him. Israel has no right to the lands past their 1967 borders. It's time for Israel to accept that fact.

Lol this may be one of the few times we agree. I wouldn't go as far as saying worst ally but yeah Netanyahu is not the greatest friend to our country. it seems to me the people who use the term "best Ally" are either people from Israel who want the US' cash and for the US to do all their dirty work or people who think that making that baseless claim somehow says something negative about the President and have some warped view that Netanyahu is actually innocent in all of this.

As I always say when it comes to Bibi, when most other leaders from Western countries seem to have some issue with him, their comes a point maybe it's not us.

 

[Feenix]

Your post basically answered your own question.

It's not rocket science to find out which party a person leans toward based on their comments. Thunder was complaining about all the right leaning comments he was reading. I was saying based on my own experiences I've seen post on here that def leaned left.

I took it from your comment that you don't like how many liberals are in the Politics section, that's why you avoid this section.

I always find it funny when someone comments about something and they're called a liberal/conservative/Republican/Democrat/. I have liberal tendencies and I have conservative tendencies. This partisan politics bullcrap just shows how many people are incapable of forming their own opinions.

One comment does not mean someone is a liberal or conservative.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Israel is a rather lousy ally. Politically and militarily, they bring next to nothing to the table, since they're a pariah state in their region. Relations have been frosty for years. Netenayhu lately has been ruder to the president than the Ayatollah.