Why Do Republicans Appear To Be So Disrespectful to President Obama?

[herakles]

What the Obama Administration is doing is calling out Netanyahu's Cabinet for the way they have been conducting war, illegally annexing Palestinian lands, treating the Palestinian people, lying, and being utterly disrespectful to the Obama Administration.

Can the Obama Administration please complain how come the WHOLE Arab Middle East puts Palestinians in camps while denying them jobs, real houses and citizenships ALL under pretext of "making sure that the refugees remember where their homeland is"

 

[ShadowBoxer]

To me white republicans are the ones that take the most issue with the president and most of the American people that agree with republicans are white as well. Go on social media and look at an article talking about the president or government. You will see the most ignorant and racist stuff you ever see. You would think we are back in like the 1940's or something. They hide their racism under the guise of disagreeing with his policies. Now this isn't the case for all republicans some just disagree with his policies but for most his race has a hand in their hatred as well.

 

[SV Fan]

I am not going to bother SV is most likely an Obama koolaid drinker will not listen to anything negative about this President.

In other words you can't find 1 direct quote from Obama or the Obama administration and just drink the koolaid of the conservative media that says he said negative things about Bibi or Israel.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Can the Obama Administration please complain how come the WHOLE Arab Middle East puts Palestinians in camps while denying them jobs, real houses and citizenships ALL under pretext of "making sure that the refugees remember where their homeland is"

There's a difference between what Israel is doing and what the other Arab nations are doing. A lot of these things come down to how these countries don't want refugees in their borders. This is typical behavior of how nation-states act. The United States tries to catch Cuban refugees before they reach shore or else they can stay in the US. China works to keep the two Koreas separate mostly out of fear of a flood of Korean refugees that could come to them. Turkey is pissed that the ISIS conflict is creating Syrian refugee camps in their borders.

Countries really don't want to fully accept refugees because they don't want to take care of them when they have their own problems at home and their own citizens to take care of. Do you have any idea how politically toxic it is to just blindly accept refugees with open arms? And they don't like refugee camps forming along their borders because they typically turn into "permanent" settlements that are crappy and look bad. Also, members of the Arab League are forbidden to grant them citizenship to begin with, so it's not like they're doing it out of cruelty, they have no choice but to deny them.

 

[PacificBoy]

It's also a case of whataboutery. What the rest of the ME is doing doesn't make Israel's treatment of Palestinians any less wrong. Israel has the moral high ground here -- if they only take it.

 

[summerteeth]

To me white republicans are the ones that take the most issue with the president and most of the American people that agree with republicans are white as well. Go on social media and look at an article talking about the president or government. You will see the most ignorant and racist stuff you ever see. You would think we are back in like the 1940's or something. They hide their racism under the guise of disagreeing with his policies. Now this isn't the case for all republicans some just disagree with his policies but for most his race has a hand in their hatred as well.

Not exactly empirical.

If it's mostly about his race, how can you explain Herman Cain leading polls in the primaries for awhile until all the sexual assault allegations came through. Not only was he taking the lead with very little campaign structure, but he was a Tea Party darling. The fraction of the Republican Party that is typically viewed as more racist. Another Tea Party favorite in this next election is Ben Carson. I'm not saying that people aren't racist, or that race doesn't plays a role for some. That being said it has way more to do with policy.

 

[SV Fan]

If it's mostly about his race, how can you explain Herman Cain leading polls in the primaries for awhile until all the sexual assault allegations came through. Not only was he taking the lead with very little campaign structure, but he was a Tea Party darling. The fraction of the Republican Party that is typically viewed as more racist. Another Tea Party favorite in this next election is Ben Carson. I'm not saying that people aren't racist, or that race doesn't plays a role for some. That being said it has way more to do with policy.

I don't think they outright white hood wearing racists with swastika tattoos, it more a case of many deep seeded opinions that might have racists undertones will come out when talking about Obama.

I am guessing a decent amount of the Cain/Carson support comes from people looking for a "Black friend" so they can make the claim see I am not racists I have a black friend.

 

[summerteeth]

I don't think they outright white hood wearing racists with swastika tattoos, it more a case of many deep seeded opinions that might have racists undertones will come out when talking about Obama.

I am guessing a decent amount of the Cain/Carson support comes from people looking for a "Black friend" so they can make the claim see I am not racists I have a black friend.

A lot different to say I have a black friend than voting for someone to lead the country. The Tea Party loved Cain's straight talk and his tax plan had nothing to do with race. The Tea Part like Ben Carson for going after the ACA and for his politically incorrectness as well. It has to do with policy and how they communicate their ideas, and that they are outsiders since they don't hold political office... not race.

 

[SV Fan]

A lot different to say I have a black friend than voting for someone to lead the country. The Tea Party loved Cain's straight talk and his tax plan had nothing to do with race. The Tea Part like Ben Carson for going after the ACA and for his politically incorrectness as well. It has to do with policy and how they communicate their ideas, and that they are outsiders since they don't hold political office... not race.

I am not denying the Tea Party doesn't like what they are saying, but I do think they get more support for saying what they do in meaningless polls because it will make people feel good that they aren't racists because they have a black friend or they threw a meaningless vote in their direction. As I said the GOP base aren't your KKK type racists, they more your Archie Bunker type. Outright racists would probably feel the GOP is to liberal for their tastes

 

[hippie_hunter]

As I said the GOP base aren't your KKK type racists, they more your Archie Bunker type.

I wouldn't say that they're Archie Bunker type racists, but it's an assessment that's fair. Personally, I don't think that the GOP is racist (hateful KKK type or ignorant Archie Bunker type), I just think that they're completely blind and oblivious to the problems that are facing black America. I think that if they experienced first hand the issues that black America has to deal with, I think it would open up most of their eyes.

 

[SV Fan]

I wouldn't say that they're Archie Bunker type racists, but it's an assessment that's fair. Personally, I don't think that the GOP is racist (hateful KKK type or ignorant Archie Bunker type), I just think that they're completely blind and oblivious to the problems that are facing black America. I think that if they experienced first hand the issues that black America has to deal with, I think it would open up most of their eyes.

Fair enough, I just tried using Archie Bunker as an example of somebody who might have racists opinions more based on ignorance then outright malice, you explained it better then I did though.

Maybe a better example using myself is the way a good portion of the Republican base feel about black people is much like my biased opinion of Southerners that generally lumps all of them in one category(and for most people unfairly) based on the actions of a vocal minority. I guess you can say from my comments I am somewhat directionist

 

[summerteeth]

I wouldn't say that they're Archie Bunker type racists, but it's an assessment that's fair. Personally, I don't think that the GOP is racist (hateful KKK type or ignorant Archie Bunker type), I just think that they're completely blind and oblivious to the problems that are facing black America. I think that if they experienced first hand the issues that black America has to deal with, I think it would open up most of their eyes.

I think in part it's how do you bridge the gap at this point between African American voters and Republicans? If you are a Republican running a campaign do you risk spending limited campaign funds in trying to tackle these issues and if so how much will that pay off? Will you really get enough of the percentage of the black vote for it to be worth it? While it would be wise for the party and even better for the country it may not make sense for a candidate on an individual level.

 

[SV Fan]

I think in part it's how do you bridge the gap at this point between African American voters and Republicans? If you are a Republican running a campaign do you risk spending limited campaign funds in trying to tackle these issues and if so how much will that pay off? Will you really get enough of the percentage of the black vote for it to be worth it? While it would be wise for the party and even better for the country it may not make sense for a candidate on an individual level.

If a candidates just cuts down the pandering to the base rhetoric that might be taken the wrong way(say like constant food stamps references, acting as if people who disagree with you don't understand America, out right pushing for Voter ID, etc), they can probably increase the African American vote 10-15%. You also want to get some African American's respect it's best not to trash talk the first Black President every chance you get.

Step 2 would be going to African America places and just explaining to them why and how you think your agenda might benefit them.

I know personally I don't fit into the GOP's version of "American"(mainly due to my religious beliefs) so when I constantly hear them talking about how "they don't understand America or American Values" I find it rather off putting as if the GOP somehow can decide what is or isn't American. it basically says you aren't welcome here, go vote for the other guy we aren't even going to try do anything to win your vote.

 

[summerteeth]

If a candidates just cuts down the pandering to the base rhetoric that might be taken the wrong way(say like constant food stamps references, acting as if people who disagree with you don't understand America, out right pushing for Voter ID, etc), they can probably increase the African American vote 10-15%. You also want to get some African American's respect it's best not to trash talk the first Black President every chance you get.

Step 2 would be going to African America places and just explaining to them why and how you think your agenda might benefit them.

Step 1
I really don't think it would increase by 10-15% in the course of an election cycle. Perhaps in the course of a decade if everything goes well and the messaging has to be spot on. Honestly, in terms of politics it's better appeal to the Latino vote as it's a demographic that's growing and the messaging would be simpler.

That being said having worked at a grocery store, to put myself through college, and seeing the abuse first hand. There's plenty of reasons to criticize the food stamp program and it has nothing to do with race.

Step 2
Paul Ryan was doing that and then he gets accused of being racist. Ever since then, I haven't really seen him try to reach out to the African American community anymore.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Fair enough, I just tried using Archie Bunker as an example of somebody who might have racists opinions more based on ignorance then outright malice, you explained it better then I did though.

Maybe a better example using myself is the way a good portion of the Republican base feel about black people is much like my biased opinion of Southerners that generally lumps all of them in one category(and for most people unfairly) based on the actions of a vocal minority. I guess you can say from my comments I am somewhat directionist

I don't think that they're lumping blacks into the category of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. I just think that they're completely blind to the problems of black America because they're not experiencing them. White people don't have to deal with being presumed automatically guilty in the justice system. White people aren't economically marginalized. And thus they think that since it isn't happening to them, it can't be happening to black people.

 

[SV Fan]

Step 2
Paul Ryan was doing that and then he gets accused of being racist. Ever since then, I haven't really seen him try to reach out to the African American community anymore.

I think Rand Paul has done good work recently trying to extend an olive branch.

If the republicans want to try win some favor in the black community they control the House and Senate, why don't they try come up with a new voting act. It's basically their chance to take 100% claim for doing something positive for the black community

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think in part it's how do you bridge the gap at this point between African American voters and Republicans? If you are a Republican running a campaign do you risk spending limited campaign funds in trying to tackle these issues and if so how much will that pay off? Will you really get enough of the percentage of the black vote for it to be worth it? While it would be wise for the party and even better for the country it may not make sense for a candidate on an individual level.

If a candidates just cuts down the pandering to the base rhetoric that might be taken the wrong way(say like constant food stamps references, acting as if people who disagree with you don't understand America, out right pushing for Voter ID, etc), they can probably increase the African American vote 10-15%. You also want to get some African American's respect it's best not to trash talk the first Black President every chance you get.

Step 2 would be going to African America places and just explaining to them why and how you think your agenda might benefit them.

I know personally I don't fit into the GOP's version of "American"(mainly due to my religious beliefs) so when I constantly hear them talking about how "they don't understand America or American Values" I find it rather off putting as if the GOP somehow can decide what is or isn't American. it basically says you aren't welcome here, go vote for the other guy we aren't even going to try do anything to win your vote.

Frankly, I think that bridging the gap between the GOP and African-American voters is a lost cause at this point.

Think of yourself as a GOP candidate. Resources are limited. Why waste the time, effort, and money trying to court a demographic that isn't going to bother listening to you. Why bother trying to court a demographic that treats Republican as if it's a four letter word and automatically disqualifies you simply because of the (R). And when Republicans have worked to benefit African-Americans, it only benefits the Democrats.

But at the same time, can you blame said demographic when the GOP has a long history of doing things like developing the Southern Strategy to take advantage of racial tensions in the South, trying to implement policies like Reaganomics and voter ID laws (while not racist have been rather negative for black Americans), while not embracing but accepting of racist groups, and doesn't line up with the GOP politically (blacks are economically left leaning thanks to the efforts of leftist black leaders, which just doesn't line up with the GOP at all).

Frankly, it just isn't worth the hassle for either side IMO. And it's a bit of a shame that we see both parties abuse blacks with the GOP's blatant ignoring of them and the Democrat's blatant taking advantage of them. But the GOP's outreach efforts should be concentrated on women and Hispanics IMO, not blacks.

 

[SV Fan]

But the GOP's outreach efforts should be concentrated on women and Hispanics IMO, not blacks.

As I said I don't think it's even a case they need to do outreach, they just have to be less offensive when it comes to their talking points. Let's say they do this and they cut the Democrat black support down to 80-85%, that's huge in some key states(that might be the difference of winning Ohio, Florida or Virginia basically, hell it might be enough to turn Pennsylvania into a legit swing state)

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think Rand Paul has done good work recently trying to extend an olive branch.

If the republicans want to try win some favor in the black community they control the House and Senate, why don't they try come up with a new voting act. It's basically their chance to take 100% claim for doing something positive for the black community

The GOP has done that before. Without the GOP, things like the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act would have never passed. However, the one who benefited from it was LBJ while the Republicans suffered tremendously. Granted that it didn't help that the GOP would nominate Barry Goldwater, one of the few Republicans to vote against it, but the GOP got no benefits at all for their role in the 1960's Civil Rights Movement.

What also makes it an uphill battle for Republicans and blacks is the simple fact where blacks lie politically. Blacks are a left leaning demographic, particularly with economics thanks to leftist black leaders like Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, and W.E.B. Du Bois. They were essentially borderline socialists. While I wouldn't categorize the black demographic as socialist, black leaders most certainly played a role in forming the economic views of blacks to the point where they are very progressive. It doesn't really jive well where the GOP lines up economically which is much more liberal.

 

[hippie_hunter]

As I said I don't think it's even a case they need to do outreach, they just have to be less offensive when it comes to their talking points. Let's say they do this and they cut the Democrat black support down to 80-85%, that's huge in some key states(that might be the difference of winning Ohio, Florida or Virginia basically, hell it might be enough to turn Pennsylvania into a legit swing state)

I think the GOP focusing more on women would turn Ohio, Florida, and Virginia into solidified center-right states while turning Pennsylvania into a legit swing state. Women are far more willing to listen to the GOP than blacks are and provide far more benefits electorally than blacks. Women line up better with the GOP than blacks do and they turn out in better numbers than blacks do.

The GOPs problem with women comes from the GOP not clamping down on idiot candidates. It's one thing to be respectfully opposed to abortion, but when you have candidates taking about pregnancy rape and trying to restrict women's health, it's going to be burdensome for the GOP. When you have chauvinistic GOP candidates, it's going to be burdensome for the GOP. But those issues can be fixed much easier than outright changing the ideology of the GOP that would be required to get more black voters.

 

[SV Fan]

The GOP has done that before. Without the GOP, things like the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act would have never passed. However, the one who benefited from it was LBJ while the Republicans suffered tremendously. Granted that it didn't help that the GOP would nominate Barry Goldwater, one of the few Republicans to vote against it, but the GOP got no benefits at all for their role in the 1960's Civil Rights Movement.

The Republican party is to blame for not using the Civil Rights and Voting act to it's benefit. As you said electing Barry Goldwater sent the wrong message off the bat then the Southern strategy didn't help.

What also makes it an uphill battle for Republicans and blacks is the simple fact where blacks lie politically. Blacks are a left leaning demographic, particularly with economics thanks to leftist black leaders like Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, and W.E.B. Du Bois. They were essentially borderline socialists. While I wouldn't categorize the black demographic as socialist, black leaders most certainly played a role in forming the economic views of blacks to the point where they are very progressive. It doesn't really jive well where the GOP lines up economically which is much more liberal.

Look at it this way, if the Republicans can pass a votings right act it gives them some credibility that they doing stuff for the black and minority community. Positive benefits of that are

1. it could slightly eat into the minority demographics

2. it will make it harder to attack the GOP in turn out the vote campaigns(which indirectly can cut down the amount of voters who feel inclined to go out and vote)

3. People who aren't minorities but are indirectly turned off by the Republican party's stance on minority issues, might view them more positively(ie the suburban housewife vote)

I don't see them doing it because the base will go batpoop crazy, but if they somehow could pass it with a huge majority of support that could potentially be a game changer in 2016

 

[Tech]

Nitpick, I don't know if I'd consider Malcolm X economically socialist. He was more a black nationalist separatist (although he reformed some of his ideas), but I this he was very strong on community economic independence. He was only confrontational to government when he felt Black individual was being persecuted, but he preferred Blacks pool own resources together. There are some similarities in his teachings with Marcus Garvey and Booker T Washington.

I agree MLK Jr and Dubois were leftist...and most 'civil rights leaders' like Sharpton and Jackson are.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The Republican party is to blame for not using the Civil Rights and Voting act to it's benefit. As you said electing Barry Goldwater sent the wrong message off the bat

Very true, but it still brought zero benefit to the GOP. LBJ got all the credit for it.

then the Southern strategy didn't help.

Which was in response to the 1964 election. Nixon concluded that the GOP didn't need the black vote to win and he's right. The GOP held an electoral advantage for the White House for decades in the post-Nixon era thanks to Nixon's Southern Strategy and Reagan turning the United States from a center-left nation to a center-right nation.

It took major demographic shifts, the increasing prominence of women and Hispanic voters to erode that advantage away.

Look at it this way, if the Republicans can pass a votings right act it gives them some credibility that they doing stuff for the black and minority community. Positive benefits of that are

1. it could slightly eat into the minority demographics

2. it will make it harder to attack the GOP in turn out the vote campaigns(which indirectly can cut down the amount of voters who feel inclined to go out and vote)

3. People who aren't minorities but are indirectly turned off by the Republican party's stance on minority issues, might view them more positively(ie the suburban housewife vote)

I don't see them doing it because the base will go batpoop crazy, but if they somehow could pass it with a huge majority of support that could potentially be a game changer in 2016

I think you're being rather generous into how much black support the GOP can eat away from the Democrats.

Also, eating away at Democratic advantages with blacks will bring almost no benefit to the GOP. The majority of blacks either live in the Republican dominated South or in Democratic states where there are major metropolitan areas like New York City, Detroit, Philadelphia, Chicago, etc. The only states that I think would shift more Republican with your presumptions would be Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. Not a lot of benefit there, especially when you consider the fact that Republicans already hold a lot of significant advantages in those states.

But reaching out to women and Hispanic voters would do more to shift Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida to the Republican column along with shifting a lot of other states like Colorado, Nevada, and Ohio.

 

[SV Fan]

Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. Not a lot of benefit there, especially when you consider the fact that Republicans already hold a lot of significant advantages in those states.

I think Virginia is quickly turning into a (slightly) leans Blue state to be honest(basically I think much better chance Dems win Virginia then they do Ohio or Florida in 2016)

 

[hippie_hunter]

Nitpick, I don't know if I'd consider Malcolm X economically socialist. He was more a black nationalist separatist (although he reformed some of his ideas), but I this he was very strong on community economic independence. He was only confrontational to government when he felt Black individual was being persecuted, but he preferred Blacks pool own resources together. There are some similarities in his teachings with Marcus Garvey and Booker T Washington.

With the exception of W.E.B. Du Bois and Marcus Garvey, I wouldn't categorize the important black leaders as outright socialist. But borderline socialist, more like the modern day democratic socialist, where there is room for free enterprise, I would say that King and Malcolm X lie.

I agree MLK Jr and Dubois were leftist...and most 'civil rights leaders' like Sharpton and Jackson are.

Sharpton and Jackson are nothing but charlatans who use black suffering to profit themselves.