Why do you hate Wolveirne?

Ive seen marvel make mistakes, but if they knew that Cyclops or a nightcrawler series would be a huge success they would be all over it. which tells me that they didn't see the sales numbers they wanted for those mini series.
 
That's the thing. They knew a regular series wouldn't cut it. So they didn't give either of them regular series.
 
ya, that was kinda my point, see someone earlier posted that they should cancel Wolverine Origins and give some else a chance like cyclops or Nightcrawler and like you said, Marvel dosn't because it would cut it, meanwhile Wolveirne solo and Wolverine Origins are seeing awesome sales!
 
well heres the problem, if you spend 30 years making a short hairy canadian runt look cooler than cyclops, why would anyone want to read cyclops?

I mean I would, because I strongly prefer cyclops to wolverine.

And I for one own every issue of Nightcrawler, I loved the character and loved the miniseries...

I don't hate Wolverine, I think he's great as a second-string hero, a member of the x-men. I would never buy his book, I would never read a wolverined focused story, and I don't particularly care for the x-men films because they focus way more on wolverine than the rest of the x-men...
 
The Wolverine I liked was a little hairy Canadian with an attitude who was almost always the underdog, who silently lusted after the woman of her dreams who he couldn't get. The guy, who was beaten to a bloody pulp very often by more powerful foes, but wouldn's quit, wouldn't stop coming.

The New Wolverine I hate is an immortal badass man god, women throw themselves on him, and he can deal with the likes of Juggernaut with ease. He can take out Magneto, and the brag about it. Everybody looks up to him like the best of the best, even if they bested him in the past (Spidey for example) The Wolverine I hate is an *******.
 
Cyclops said:
Those were mini-series and were never intended to be long-running. The fans backed them very well. But all along they were four-issue limited series.
no, I'm pretty sure nightcrawler's last was supposed to be an ongoing. It ended with #12
 
Yeah, it was an ongoing. Too bad it didn't do well. If Aguirre-Sacasa didn't suck, I might've bought more than the first issue.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
I'm with those who hate him for his ridiculously exaggerated powers. Overexposure is nothing new--Batman has it just as bad as Wolverine, but he still manages to entertain me no matter how often he appears. I liked Wolverine as a character because, back when he was first gaining popularity, he really was a good character. He had the bad attitude like most other "edgy" anti-heroes of the '80s (though he beat the curve by almost a decade), but he was also a really compelling character.

There were three things I loved about Wolverine: 1) the scrappy underdog aspect, 2) the man out of time because he lost his past, and 3) the would-be samurai constantly struggling to cage the savage beast inside himself. Gradually, however, Marvel has stripped away those elements. First went the underdog aspect when his healing factor gained power to the point that he can be blown up, shot full of holes, have his face torn off, lose a significant portion of body mass, etc. and still keep fighting like nothing's wrong. A character who's an invincible tank going up against the likes of street thugs and ninjas does not an interesting conflict make. Next went the struggle between discipline and savagery when he just started giving into his savage side, killing people without remorse and happily ditching his years of training to fight like a drunken brawler while leaning on the aforementioned exaggerated healing factor. All Marvel's got left now is the man of mystery aspect, which they're exploring by finally giving Wolverine his memories back. Unfortunately, that's tainted by everything else the character's already lost. I appreciate that Marvel's exploring Wolverine's past with Origins, but I can't get invested in any kind of Wolverine story anymore to see how it goes because his character's just not interesting on other levels.

Well said.

Even as early as the late 90's, Wolve was beginning to lose some of his cool appeal with each new guest shot. Too many times he was written as a brawler or not written with any thought to the aspects of his character you so carefully laid out. In the end it diluted what made him special to a lot of us. Now he's a symbol of marketing gone wrong.
 
I hate him mostly due to fanboys....Same with batman

I grew up reading batman...wolverine...daredevil...punisher...spiderman mostly...then wolverine stopped killing people....he became the cartoon version ran in screaming "I am gonna rip this dudes head off"...and then put his claws away and punched them...

Atleast with batman its possible for him to outsmart a tougher opponent....logan cant say the same...Let him do his thing and the healing factor sort stuff out....but dont ****e him out to the entire marvel line
 
the thing I dislike most about him now is that he is basically a little physco that kills people all the time.

I loved the Wolverine who was the underdog, and who tried to control his bestial rages. The first Wolverine comic (and eventually the comic that got me interested in the x-men) was the 4ish Mini Claremont/Milliar Wolverine story with Shingin and Mariko. That, to me, is the defining Wolverine story. Sadly, that Wolverine is much different then the Wolverine we have today.
 
The issue during the Dark Phoenix Saga where Wolverine systematically takes out the Hellfire Club, working his way from the sewers to their penthouse, is the definitive Wolverine to me.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
The issue during the Dark Phoenix Saga where Wolverine systematically takes out the Hellfire Club, working his way from the sewers to their penthouse, is the definitive Wolverine to me.

That's also a great comic too:up: At one point doesn't he make one of the mercinaries in the basement so scared that the guy just drops his gun and gives up?
 
That is the definative wolverine issue.

Heck his legends figure orignally came with a hellfire club base and a copy of that if I recall correctly.


To be fair I did enjoy ruck and millars recent runs on wolverine.
 
Portuguese Wolverine. :p

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TheCorpulent1 said:
The issue during the Dark Phoenix Saga where Wolverine systematically takes out the Hellfire Club, working his way from the sewers to their penthouse, is the definitive Wolverine to me.

Co-sizzle, that was my first exposure to the character.
 
I like Wolverine as a character. But if you look, he's everywhere...
 
gildea said:
To be fair I did enjoy ruck and millars recent runs on wolverine.
I liked Rucka's. He actually made Logan's rage an issue again. He killed like 40 people in a berserker rage and then felt so horrible about it that he tried to drown his sorrows with Nightcrawler the next issue.
 
I like Wolverine it's the over exposer that is annoying me, it's like Marvel can't be bothered to create new characters or find away to return guys like Namor and Thorback to the A-list.

Why get Namor back on track or a new character like Gravity some solid exposer when you can slap Wolverine on the cover or have him guess-star in a book or join the Avengers? That's the mentality that's driving me crazy.

It's the same thing that happened to the Punisher in the 90's. Wolverine is easily one of the best characters to come around in the last 30 years, but when are creators going to stop using him as a crutch?

It's like if the NBA could clone Michael Jordan, I'd put money on the fact that greedy and unimaginative 'suits' buy into it and every team would have a starting line-up of Jordans.

That's how these corporate fat cats think, Marvel is no different. Marvel has the added bonus of being able to in a sense 'clone' Wolverine by throwing him on every team of on every cover they can.

Wolverine is like money growing on trees.
 
I would love to see marvel take wolverine out of every book except his own for a year and really flesh out the character and how he is now. Wolverine is written so differently in different books and it has turned him into a cliche. One writer, one artist and 12 issues to redefine wolverine.
 

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