hippy fascist said:
Superman sucks because he's nigh on impossible to kill, only one substance in the universe etc,. Now I hate superman but you can still kill him with kryptonite
Wolverine has reached the stage now where he
CAN'T be killed. It's making the character pointless. The reason I like marvel over DC is that there tends to be less of a disequilibrium between hero and villain power levels. Wolverine if truly invincible is a pointless character, even thor, hyperion, deadpool and sentry have to lose sometimes. To make wolverine more powerful than any of these people(except maybe deadpool) makes the character deviate completely from what he is supposed to be. He is supposed to be a badass, he is supposed to be the ultimate assasin, ultimate assasin in that he has perfected his skills to the point that it is
as if he is unkillable.
What was the point in all those years of training to be a samurai, what was the point of the adamantium what is the point of the character if he is unkillable?
Also with regards the failed samurai thing one of the guys who created the freakin character (I think it was Len Wein), says this was the entire basis for wolverine on the x-men 2 special features. He said that without this concept he and frank miller agreed the character would have been one-dimensional and boring, and you can't get much more definitive than that!
I'd just like to point out some of you are far over reacting. It's ok if you hate that panel, but to compare the character like he is now the superman of Marvel is insane. There's a big difference between healing from a skeleton and moving planets and reversing time and so on. BTW he healed from a skeleton, which you only saw the upper torso of and whose brain could have been perfectly fine inside his adamantium skull (for how silly that sounds lol), point is there's a chance of flesh on his bones where u couldn't see it, or his brain as a catalyst. Though I'll admit I do hate the fact that him being one of the top trained martial artists in all of Marvel takes a back seat to his healing factor.
Just because he survived that doesn't make him unstoppable, unbeatable, or mean he has new uber superstrength, webslinging, flying, or energy based powers. Chances are he'll still stand as much of a chance, all that scene says to me is Marvel's not going to let him die for awhile. Doesn't mean the character still can't be beat in a fight.
I'm not defending it, even if it looks cool it's not in line with the character, but the bias sometimes shown on these boards is amazing. Hulk can live from that and no one flinch, and be up even faster while lifting a planet. Spiderman can evolve twice, grown stingers, have half his history retconned, have entire character history changed, have every power beefed up time and time again, be given a new power origin and it's contained in one thread if not be praised as the greatest character of all time. Wolverine has an out of character power moment and it ends up in like 3 or 4 separate threads, and suddenly ppl start saying he's boring now, like superman, and unbeatable.
It's the comic world, and characters progress, this was handled badly but it's not like his healing factor hasn't jumped before. When he has his adamantium taken out he lost his healing factor, later on he's ran over by a car and it states every bone in his body is broke, and less than 10 seconds he's back up ripping the door off the car and dragging the guy out good as new and Prof X and the others are shocked at his healing ability. When he rejected the adamantium when they tried to put it back in and he regressed his powers were pushed further, he covered cyclops in the next issue from a collapsing ceiling, his back was shown being horribly impaled by rocks blood all over, next panel not a drop of blood on his back.
You guys say it doesn't make sense, but like said before when has Wolverine's healing factor ever been stagnent. Every year it's taken a leap forward, after he lost his adamantium it went up close to what you saw there, he just never was fried to his bones to prove it. More or less Wolverine's healing factor is poorly defined, and Marvel never updates the official status of it, and rarely gives reasons why it was beefed up. Bad writing maybe, but all through the 90's and part of the 80's he was slowly leading up to this, well taking a step back then in leaps and bounds leading to this.
It doesn't mean he will be back handing the hulk around, or moving faster than spidey. It doesn't mean he'll be soloing Galactus either, just means after Galactus burns him and stomps him he'll get back up defeated later on.
I just hate how far bigger upgrades, and insane things can happen in other books, but because everyones favorite mutant to hate or love has it happen it's the worst thing in comics history....sigh'....BTW he was what got me in comics, I like the stories of Wolverine's character not because of planet lifting impossible close to death feats or I'd be reading Hulk. I know the character, but also realize he's always in a state of change. From normal power, to no power, to semi-uber healing factor, to no healing factor, to uber again.
Again tho this goes for half of the comic world, look at Gambit from guy who throws cards to revealed that he was so powerful he had to have his powers surgically toned down by sinister. Or Superman who probably couldn't fly at first just leap over tall buildings, more powerful than a locomotive to lifting pyramids, from faster than a bullet to faster than the speed of sound. Or batman, a guy who stops street thugs to a super genius who stops galactic superman powered bad guys, and who given 3 hours of the infamous prep time can supposedly beat anyone.
