Superman Returns Why Don't Some Superman Fans Like Superman Returns?

[Dr. Fate]

unfortunately all the concerned voices fell into a deaf's ear.

Very deaf ears.

 

[KalMart]

when it comes to the most iconic superhero of all time...



no it's not.

It' still red briefs over a blue bodysuit...it's gonna be a bit silly on anyone. I can see how some would find the new design a bit too feminine by itself, but certainly not to the degree of 'expressing homosexual pride' or what have you like some are suggesting here.

Plus, how different are those Supes briefs than mens Olympic swimsuits:

...and various mens underwear brief designs?

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Buggs and Smallville08,

They don't allow "the banned word" as a substitute. It's something Buggs came up with because he doesn't know how to put together an argument without resorting to the lowest common verse when talking about the suit.... the words "that's gay, that's so gay!!" themselves are childish, stupid and deragatory to begin with. It's that ridiculous mindset that makes so many shake their heads in disgust. I'll say this, simply put, you're an IDIOT if you think it's okay to demean someone or something by using different words instead of the lowest common denominator (' that's so gay') itself. Why would you think that's okay? And I love how Buggs attempts to justify it. No wonder half the Superman boards can't stand his posts..,.

Everyone has their quirks. Likeable or not.

If in the midst of those quirks are good points to back an argument, then hey, reply to the points you don't agree with, and ignore the derogatory terms. If you feel they are too offensive to overlook when making the reply, then don't worry about replying at all. There is no shame in that. But reacting to someone saying 'that's gay' is these days just as cliche as someone saying 'that's gay'.

buggs actually does present his viewpoints well.

 

[buggs0268]

I am only replying to pickle's post because even though he is on my ignore list, I am seeing it in Lordofhypertimes reply.

Pickle, when the suit first came out, 90 percent of people on the web called it "the banned word". Go look it up. And at that time we were allowed to say the banned word. But then some people who are "the banned word" complained to the mods, and the mods decided to ban the word. From that point forward, I was the first one to coin "the banned word" so that we could discuss the fact that the changes did make the suit make Superman with the SR suit very, very "the banned word". The bulk of the posts were saying so. in fact, those who liked the suit were in a small minority in the original "the suit thread". So in the minority that they asked the mods to create a "we like the suit" thread so that those who liked the suit could post without being attacked by the masses here who hated it. The general consensus was "it looks the banned word". A lot of haters stopped griping and just accpeted the suit as "well we are stuck with it". Kakarto can verify all of this.

Most of the people who hated the suit, which, despite what the suit likers will say, where the minority, left because they got attacked by a group of suit likers we started calling "the suit Nazi's" because any time you made any post about not liking the suit, they wouldnt just disagree. They would make stupid, derogatory comments about you. They called your mom names. When you would prove them wrong with pictures you got things like "you have a tube going from your head to your ass". And other such nonsense. and nothing was done about it. A lot of people left because they got sick of it. Pickle can be classified as one of them. Make a post derogatory about the suit and he was compelled to post in defense of it. The post would be stupid and childish, but claiming to be very adult. I got sick of his crap, we got to a head, and the mod stepped in telling us to put each other on each others ignore list. I did that. he never did.

The fact that the suit makes Brandon and Superman look the "banned word" is a very valid point. You just don't want to accept it Pickle. This was a thing of the people who liked the suit. Telling us that we don't know how to express what we don't like about the suit. Apparently we were supposed to give a dissertation whilst you guys could say a few sentences, or just one. It is elitism at it's highest. I finally got sick of this elitist b/s after a year, and started not putting up with it. Saying it states that it takes a guy who is hetero and makes him look "the banned word". That is a descriptive statement as to what the suits appearance does. Don't like it. Fine. But it is what it is, and I am not the only person saying so, so don't make it like I am a singular voice in this.

As far as half of the bboards not standing my posts, I see more than half agreeing with my posts. Only the vocal people who disagree with me yellloud enough so you take that as the boards don't agree with me. There are a lot of people in the last few pages expressing they agree with me. How do you explain that? You can't and won't, or will twist it around, or say that their opinions dont matter. I have went into extreme detail, with pictures of the suit to show my points. Hell, I remember when I was attacked for pointing out that it looks like he is wearing a muscle suit. You could clearly see the difference of his arms and definitions in the suit and out of it. It is so obvious it isn't even the same arm. Longer bicep (even with arm position, different bicep structure. Without the suit he naturally has a shorter bicep, and with the suit he has a longer one. These pics were taken in the same month)

And your side argued that I was just seeing things, like the face on Mars. Oh, I am crazy, it is clear he is not wearing a muscle suit when it was so clear he was. I got called every name in the book for it. Then, hey, it comes out he is wearing a muscle suit. That was one of my gripes that I made pictures for, as you can see above, but for some reason I was not arguing my point to your sides satisfaction. You know, you don't like what I post, then don't read it or reply to it. I don't read your stupid junk unless it happens to be copied in someone elses reaply. And a lot of people here do agree with the points I bring up, but I guess you aren't seeing them.

And take note of how I don't attack him, but adress what he posted and respond. Learn something about how to do this Pickle.

 

[Pickle-El]

Everyone has their quirks. Likeable or not.

Which have a myriad of expressive terms we can use to say what we want....just so happens, some people go straight to the bottom of the barrel.

If in the midst of those quirks are good points to back an argument, then hey, reply to the points you don't agree with, and ignore the derogatory terms.

'Only the real MEN can understand what Superman REALLY looks like. He should be LIKE THE COMICS!"

Let's ignore the fact that Superman has a really silly suit to begin with. And, REAL MEN, are arguing about everything from color, to tightness, to cup size....yet, the "Singer Suit' is so ..."banned word." Come on, grow up, these are people dressed up in nothing more than expensive tights. (no matter how bright the suit itself is)

If you feel they are too offensive to overlook when making the reply, then don't worry about replying at all. There is no shame in that. But reacting to someone saying 'that's gay' is these days just as cliche as someone saying 'that's gay'.

And that makes it all okay! Alright! Thanks for clearing that up......I always wanted to be 13 again!

buggs actually does present his viewpoints well.

I can see that....if you're blind, deaf, and dumb and use "the banned word" as a defense to hold up ANY argument.


Oh....

 

[buggs0268]

See LordofHypertime. In his reply to your post:

posted by Pickle:

I can see that....if you're blind, deaf, and dumb and use "the banned word" as a defense to hold up ANY argument.


Oh....

Right there. Pickle just proved my point.

I guess because you don't see his point, you are blind deaf and dumb.

Trust me, put this guy on your ignore list. The quote under his avatar about being on "various ignore lists" isn't just a saying. he is on numerous ignore lists, and for a reason.

Pickle, back on my ignore list you go. I am sure you are working hard on a line by line attack thread to my post, and I am certain I won't even read it.

 

[KalMart]

What's he got under there, a pork chop?

 

[buggs0268]

Everyone has their quirks. Likeable or not.

If in the midst of those quirks are good points to back an argument, then hey, reply to the points you don't agree with, and ignore the derogatory terms. If you feel they are too offensive to overlook when making the reply, then don't worry about replying at all. There is no shame in that. But reacting to someone saying 'that's gay' is these days just as cliche as someone saying 'that's gay'.

buggs actually does present his viewpoints well.

Lordhypertime, here is another example. A few days before the movie premiered, I was helping a friends with his buisness. We stopped at Tower Records. While I was in there I saw the "making of Superman Returns" book. I told my friend to come over and look at the suit. His first response was "God that is so "the banned word". Then I asked an employee that was stocking the DVD section where the Superman the movie DVD's are. He showed me while I had the book. I showed my friends the Reeve suit, and then my friends looked at the SR suit and really went off on it. The Tower Records employee took a look at it and said it looked "the banned word" too.

Later that day I came home and posted it. I was called a liar by the crew ho liked the suit, and a few other choice words. I am sure Pickle was involved, but not the guy that started it. He wanted proof that this happened. I called my friends and asked him if I could give his number to the guy so he could confirm that I wasn't lying. My friend said okay. I messaged the guy in IM saying "call me a liar. Here is his number. Call him yourself" You figure when someone calls someone a liar, and that person offers proof to verify it, the person would check that up. But no. Apparently I was a sick and unwell man for providing proof, and must be hinding something. The guy never even called. I checked back wiht my friends and he said "Nope. Guy hasn't called. Just another full of $hit guy who makes a big noise on the internet, but is really full of crap when it comes to real life."

It was the sickest thing. According to them, anyone who showed the suit to a friends, co-worker, etc., and that person expressed in one way or another that it was not good, was a liar, and making it up. Any poster who showed the suit to a friends, coworker, etc. and that person did express that they liked it was telling the truth and as honest as the day is long. Total hypocrissy.

 

[buggs0268]

What's he got under there, a pork chop?

According to a lot here at the time, one guy who even claimed to be related to a kinesiologist, that is how ribs look like when a suit is really tight on the body. Keep in mind that that is in now way what ribs to, or look like. It isn't even the same bone structure. Never heard anything when the fact came out that there was a suit. In fact, many argued that there still wasn't a muscle suit even when Mingenhack and Tom Bronson was interviewed by this site, and in an interview posted on the front page of this site, they confirmed he was wearing a muscle suit. The guy who sculpted it had it on his site, and it was still denied as being real. Even when the DVD was released, and screen caps where posted from the DVD showing the stupid muscle suit, it was still denied to be real by some.

 

[superbaby]

talking about the muscle suit, the shoulder pads are the most obvious to identify. even Arnold in his prime doesn't have that kind of bulge shoulders.

 

[slave2catwoman]

There has been some talk that a man in a costume will look silly no matter what. I disagree. Nobody thought Reeve looked silly. Everyone thought he looked terrific. Many of us still think he looked great in that costume.

 

[dark_b]

i dont have the time to read every post here. but i see that buggs posted again hes post with proof that brandon was wearing padding.
why did he do that? is there still some idiot who thinks that there was nothign under the suit?

 

[Qwerty©]

Because buggs wants to prove some sort of point, even though every modern superhero has had padding.

It's for a very specific reason, so that the suit looks presentable. No matter how massive or ripped you are, you wear a spandex-like material and you will just look chubby. The muscle suit allows the definition to be seen.

 

[Super Kal]

but it also depends on the material that decides how much padding there will be... if the material you use decreases how one looks, ten I would think that's not the best stuff to use.

 

[Qwerty©]

but it also depends on the material that decides how much padding there will be... if the material you use decreases how one looks, ten I would think that's not the best stuff to use.

The material used for Spider-Man is the perfect superhero costume. The one they used for Superman made it look like a wetsuit.

 

[Super Kal]

what material did they use for the Spider-Man suit anyways?

 

[Qwerty©]

what material did they use for the Spider-Man suit anyways?

Neoprene I think. They used milliskin for SR.

 

[buggs0268]

i dont have the time to read every post here. but i see that buggs posted again hes post with proof that brandon was wearing padding.
why did he do that? is there still some idiot who thinks that there was nothign under the suit?

Apparantly you missed the whole point of my post and focused on one thing.

 

[buggs0268]

Because buggs wants to prove some sort of point, even though every modern superhero has had padding.

It's for a very specific reason, so that the suit looks presentable. No matter how massive or ripped you are, you wear a spandex-like material and you will just look chubby. The muscle suit allows the definition to be seen.

Apparently you missed the whole point of my post and focused on one thing too. The focus of my post was not about the padded suit. It was about the fact that when I first pointed it out, with pics, I was told that I was not making a focused arguement by the Suit and SR defenders for some reason even when I had pics. What is worse, I was called every name in the book. Even when the costume designer said in an article on the main page of this site there was a padded suit, I was still told there wasn't. I was replying to Pickles stupid and useless argument on that I don't state my reasons when I post well enough to his satisfaction even when I had been accused by this in the past. I provided one such past arguement, and the proof I provided then. But to people defending SR, I was not providing proof or a good argument just because they were on the opposite side. It was an example of that. but it is funny that you completely ignore the entire post and focused on that.

 

[Qwerty©]

It's an easy mistake to make. It's not out of character for you to reuse your arguments to bash the movie.

But now I read your posts and it's just you feeling hard-done-by, again.

 

[buggs0268]

It's an easy mistake to make. It's not out of character for you to reuse your arguments to bash the movie.

But now I read your posts and it's just you feeling hard-done-by, again.

Actually I was replying to accusation Pickle posted about me and my arguments. It's a recent post. Funny how you missed that too. So funny how you seem to selectively miss so many things. Easy to gloss over stuff I guess huh?

 

[slave2catwoman]

Everyone in spandex does not look chubby. Reeve did not. There are a number of fan made films where in shape guys in spandex look very muscular.

 

[Qwerty©]

Actually I was replying to what Pickle posted. Funny how you missed that too. So funny how you seem to selectively miss so many things. Easy to gloss over stuff I guess huh?

What?

I don't see how you responding to Pickle changes how that post is another version of your "wah wah the suit/movie likers hate me and kicked my dog" rants.

 

[buggs0268]

Everyone in spandex does not look chubby. Reeve did not. There are a number of fan made films where in shape guys in spandex look very muscular.

Yeah it is an excuse. What really happened was that Warner Brother's did a survey amoungst women who know nothing about Superheroes on what body type they would find sexy for Superman. The non superhero fan women chose a skinny swimmer body type. Then they made a muscle suit from that body type even before Routh had been cast, and demanded that Routh get to a certain size and stay there so he could fit into the muscle suit. He was actually contracted that he could get no bigger. That is the real reason. People who worked on the movie actually came out and stated it.

But it is easier to use that as an excuse. There have been a lot of excuses from the crew that made SR and the WB. I can't even tell you how they tried to hide the fact of the muscle suit whilst the movie was being made. It was actually first stated by that guy who made that fan film with Batman and the predators. He knew the guy who created the muscle suit and outted it right after the suit came out and Singer said "It was all Brandon under there".

 

[buggs0268]

What?

I don't see how you responding to Pickle changes how that post is another version of your "wah wah the suit/movie likers hate me and kicked my dog" rants.

Again, selectively missing things. I guess you missed me posting at the very begining of the thread:

"I am only replying to pickle's post because even though he is on my ignore list, I am seeing it in Lordofhypertimes reply".

In reply to Pickles post

"It's something Buggs came up with because he doesn't know how to put together an argument without resorting to the lowest common verse when talking about the suit..."

And hey, you are arguing with me about me bit**ing about the film, or not liking aspects of the film in a thread called "why don't Superman fans like Superman Returns?"