Superman Returns Why Don't Some Superman Fans Like Superman Returns?

Someone tell me why young Clark was wearing glasses?

There's more than one possibility. He didn't have 20/20 vision. Or he was using them to hide the fact that he was different and had abilities beyond the normal person. But because of Jason it seems the former was the intended possibility. By the way it (the flashback) tells the audience that don't know much about Superman that he had to learn what his abilities were. And didn't automatically know.

Angeloz
 
There's more than one possibility. He didn't have 20/20 vision. Or he was using them to hide the fact that he was different and had abilities beyond the normal person. But because of Jason it seems the former was the intended possibility. By the way it (the flashback) tells the audience that don't know much about Superman that he had to learn what his abilities were. And didn't automatically know.

Angeloz

The fact that he may not have had 20/20 vision is just silly at that point. I can not recall any reference I have seen where this was the case. He has lost his good vision at points though but always gets it back. Also hiding himself at that young age when he probably didn't know who he was does not make sense.

Basic slip by the director....the glasses were there so we could say oh that's a younger Clark. :cmad:
 
He did in the Superboy comics wear glasses. I think it also prevented him using his super-vision too I believe.

Angeloz
 
He did in the Superboy comics wear glasses. I think it also prevented him using his super-vision too I believe.

Angeloz

In canon that includes Superboy the glasses are a disguise for young Clark just as they are for adult Clark. The lenses are made from the "glass" present on the spacecraft that brought him to Earth and are indestructable also, allowing him to freely use his super-vision at will.

In SR, based on S:TM which does not include Superboy, the inclusion of the glasses is senseless tripe and the result of careless and clueless knowledge of the character on the part of the creative team.
 
So following the comics and deviating from the first film is bad? :oldrazz:

Angeloz
 
Singer shouldn't have given him the glasses simply for the fact Returns is supposed to be a sequel of sorts and it's obvious from the first two films, young Clark doesn't wear them. It bothered me that he was even flying at all. You got the sense from S:TM, Clark couldn't even fly in high school.
 
Giving a young Clark glasses contradicts his actual source material which is the Donner movies, and not so much the comics. And for what? To identify young Clark as young Clark? I think the audience could've figured it out.
 
So "Smallville" gets rightly criticised for no glasses (plus Lex, Lois and name those that see him later on) and "Superman Returns" for having glasses. Don't you love fandom?

Angeloz
 
So following the comics and deviating from the first film is bad? :oldrazz:

Angeloz

Of course you can, but why did they deviate?

Don't get me wrong the inclusion of glasses on young Clark in SR is not any major problem for me, but it is indicative of the lack of consideration for the whys and wherefores by the creative team for the details of SR.
 
Smallville is a totally different subject. In the current comics, and in the Donner/Reeve films, Clark did not wear glasses as a boy. He had no intention of having a secret identity. If Singer wanted to change that, he should have supplied some sort of a reason for young Clark wearing them.
 
Yeah but you're obsessed by sexual relationships and morals involving them. I kinda like you for it (and your opinions). But it makes you seem unforgiving. And very stubborn. But we don't know your assumptions are right and if they are what if he thought the mission to see if there were survivors or Krypton was there was more important than his personal happiness?

Maybe it's becasue it I'm a parent. But I think it is more about just what is morally right in that situation. SInger decided to make a movie about Superman being a father, and I think he got it all wrong.

It's not about forgiving SUperman, or anyone else, it's about Superman being out of character. It's not up to me to forgive him, he hasn't wronged me. My umbrage is portraying him as someone who doesn't care enough about the woman he is involved with sexually to be honest with her and tell he goodbye.

And it's not about HIS personal happiness with Lois, it's about his obligation to Lois and his obligations being in a sexual relationship.

So he had a choice. Possible save people and/or see his heritage or possibly condemn them.

The only choice I have a problem with is chosing not to tell Lois the truth. That has no bearing on his leaving to "save people and/or see his heritage or possibly condemn them."

The only explanation that makes those two things mutually exclusive is portraying SUperman out of character- just not man enough to overcome his own fears and put Lois's feelings first, before his own.

You seem not to mind if he left elsewhere and not tell people he wasn't in a relationship with in the comics. I was pointing that out. ;)

Angeloz

And that's because he wasn't having sex with them. The responsibilities of being in a sexual relationship with someone is unique and special. THere aren't any examples of this in the comics. My point in #2 is that once you have sex with someone it changes the whatever relationship you have obligates you to certain responsibilities.
 
So "Smallville" gets rightly criticised for no glasses (plus Lex, Lois and name those that see him later on) and "Superman Returns" for having glasses. Don't you love fandom?

Angeloz

Does it? I don't pay all that much attention to anything Smallville. I would think that would be the least of it's problems.
 
Only if he's wearing the Robin costume.

Just as silly :)

What if his alien physiology knocked Batman up somehow? :oldrazz:

P.S. - I don't get the attraction to Robin myself though Nightwing about ten years ago I would (I'm not very knowledgeable about now).

Angeloz
 
What if his alien physiology knocked Batman up somehow? :oldrazz:

That would be absolutely hilarious and creepy all at the same time.

P.S. - I don't get the attraction to Robin myself though Nightwing about ten years ago I would (I'm not very knowledgeable about now).

Angeloz

Nightwing is a good book again since Marv Wolfman took over writing it. I really like Dick Grayson's character and enjoy him greatly as Nightwing. I also like Tim Drake's Robin.
 
But it'd be icky to have him treated as a sex fantasy (for me). 'Cos isn't Robin an underage teenager?

By the way thanks for the comic recommendations. :) I don't suppose there's TPBs?

Angeloz
 
But it'd be icky to have him treated as a sex fantasy (for me). 'Cos isn't Robin an underage teenager?

Oh, yeah, that's completely gross, I was just being silly!!

By the way thanks for the comic recommendations. :) I don't suppose there's TPBs?

Angeloz

Yes there are.

The earlier Nightwing TPBs by CHuck DIxon are good, but I don't know if Wolfman's first arc has been collected yet.
 
Oh, yeah, that's completely gross, I was just being silly!!

I forgive you. ;)

Yes there are.

The earlier Nightwing TPBs by CHuck DIxon are good, but I don't know if Wolfman's first arc has been collected yet.

I think I have one or two but it's been awhile. Thanks again. :)

Angeloz
 
Personally my problem with Superman being out of character in the film had nothing to do with his relationship with Lois. Granted, I didn't like some of the choices he made (especially the 'See ya round ;)' kind of departure at the end having just gone to see his son!), but I also often don't like some of the mistakes he makes in the comics. What defines him as the greatest superhero is how he deals with his mistakes, and in this film he dealt with them badly.

But as I said, that's not my main problem - maybe there is a multi-movie story thread in which he handles these in a heroic (and therefore fundamentally 'Superman' way) later on. But that's really just the problem. He's supposed to be the greatest hero of them all, and in SR he wasn't heroic at all. Using superpowers to save people isn't heroic: after all, he has superpowers. The only really heroic thing he did was lifting NK out of the sea, because of all the kryptonite. But that's not enough. His demeanour and attitude were all wrong. He came across as shy and nervous, and that's not right for Superman. Granted, he's going to be a little disoriented after his five year absence, and a bit taken aback by the circumstances he is greeted with when he gets back, but I would have thought that his shyness and nervousness would be fleeting, to be replaced by his strong confidence that inspires leadership, that we have all come to expect from Superman, after a very short space of time. That's what makes leaders; they are always just as scared or uncertain as everyone else, but they provide an image and persona of strength and integrity that causes others to trust them and follow them, and that is what was missing from this depiction of Superman.

On top of that, the story was weak, uninspired, and badly told. Singer has lost the dramatic flare and penchant for tension building that he used to be so good at. They were lacking from the first two X-Men films and they were lacking from SR.

Can i ask you a question then?

Did you not find it inspirational when he went back to deal with NK despite just nearly dying there and despite the fact that he was pretty certain he was going to die?
 
Can i ask you a question then?

Did you not find it inspirational when he went back to deal with NK despite just nearly dying there and despite the fact that he was pretty certain he was going to die?

Yes I did and that's what I said in my post. Sorry, I didn't word it very well.
 

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