Why I want everything to revert

Pretty sure FOX doesn't own the TV rights to their Marvel characters, just the movie rights. I'll bet Disney will sue them big time if they try and make X-Men TV shows. I believe the TV rights and movie rights are separate. They don't own every aspect of the characters they have.
 
I actually heard Fox owns the live action rights, so they could make a TV show.
 
I saw an article on the site that cannot be named that Fox planned or is planning an X-Men TV Show.
 
IIRC, the Mutant X lawsuit ruled that Marvel *did* own the TV rights. There's just ambiguity, and lawsuit material, over whether they can actually *use* said rights without violating the spirit of the movie rights contract.

So, I don't expect to see a Fox X-Men tv show.
 
Not just Fantastic Four, or just Spider-Man, or just X-Men, but everything. I want them all to revert. A year ago, I was okay with Spider-Man and X-Men staying where they were and only wanted FF back with Marvel for Silver Surfer and other cosmic characters. I was perfectly fine with X-Men and Spider-Man existing in their own, harmless universes, and still am. But my position on whether that "harmless" part is true has evolved over the past couple months as I'm starting to see what Fox and Sony are trying to do.

In simple terms, in a worst case scenario, what Fox and Sony are doing right now could be detrimental to everything Marvel Studios has built and to the CBM genre itself. It's one thing to buckle down on a franchise a commit to releasing movies every couple years, it's another to try and stretch it completely thin while putting out mediocre products and having it effect movies MS and WB put out. Sony is trying to force villain movies out of the Spider-Man franchise, that FF reboot looks like a disaster waiting to happen, and now Fox is talking about putting out X-Men related TV shows. It's too much. I used to say that CMB/superhero fatigue was a myth, and I still believe that, but at a certain point, when there's 20 superhero shows on television and 15 superhero movies coming out a year, people will start lumping them all together. And out of those 30+ projects, there is no way that all of them will actually be good, and a couple bad missteps could hurt the entire genre.

Just look at TASM2. It's looking to be yet another lukewarmly received Spider-Man movie and is setting up to be the lowest grossing SM film so far, even after all the marketing Sony put into it. This kind of performance just gives naysayers more ammo to claim that SH films are repetitive and generic and prematurely write off other films of its kind in the future. That kind of stuff DOES eventually bleed into the mainstream, and with what Fox and Sony are trying to do right now, I really see it happening soon.

This isn't about wanting to see these character in the same universe as the MCU, it's genuinely concerning that Sony and Fox are trying to stretch these things out far beyond their natural limit to try and get a cash grab. If Marvel had the rights to all of it, they would not be stretching the properties so thin and milking them for all its worth. This whole bubble that is forming right now is really only heading in one direction in my eyes, and it's the implosion of the Spider-Man and X-Men franchises due to oversaturation. I just hope it doesn't affect the entire genre Batman and Robin style. :/

Yeah I was willing to give Sony a try with this sequel till the designs of the villains started popping up. After that...ASM2 gets a big economy size bag of "NOPE!"

And if Singer MCU crush wasn't obvious enough, now they've got Beast "HULKING OUT" It's ridiculous....
 
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IIRC, the Mutant X lawsuit ruled that Marvel *did* own the TV rights. There's just ambiguity, and lawsuit material, over whether they can actually *use* said rights without violating the spirit of the movie rights contract.

So, I don't expect to see a Fox X-Men tv show.

So neither fox or wisney can make a live action X-men show? Well that sucks balls.
 
Regardless of what i posted earlier....

2015's Fantastic Four is the only Marvel movie that i don't really excited about...and I really wish Reed co. could come home to Marvel soon....Like most of the users here, I also think that FF really belongs and fits well within MCU.
 
I ultimately hope the entire Marvel universe gets re-united in the next 5-10 years, either through reversion of all rights to Marvel (MCU) control or through studio partnerships. However, separate focus/control has given us more Marvel movies than we otherwise would have gotten to date. With that said:


:spidey: SONY - I've been generally pleased (SM3 villains were a little weak) with both the past and current Spider-man runs. :up:


:ff: FOX - FF1 & FF2: loved the original cast choices; thought FF1's plot was weak and was completely disappointed by the final product in FF2. I don't have any confidence right now that the planned relaunch under Fox will work. :dry:


:xmen: FOX - All X-Men & Wolverine movies combined - I thought most of the casting choices were great, but hated how Rogue and Juggernaut's characters were handled (I liked the actors); loved X3's Beast. What the hell ever happened to Nightcrawler between X2 and his absence from X3? I have not enjoyed the confusing mixed up character introduction timelines in X1 through First Class compared to the 616 comic counter-part timelines. I'd like for the X-verse to make me love them again with DoFP and AoA, but it's most likely not going to happen for me. :dry:
 
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Regardless of what i posted earlier....

2015's Fantastic Four is the only Marvel movie that i don't really excited about...and I really wish Reed co. could come home to Marvel soon....Like most of the users here, I also think that FF really belongs and fits well within MCU.

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The first superhero belongs back home...

If any of these characters belong back home, it's the Fantastic Four characters... it's such a shame that Marvel is setting up this beautiful cosmic side of their universe and they can't use some of their best cosmic characters.

Also, the X-Men continuity is such a cluster****, i realllllly wish they could just reboot within the Marvel Cinematic Universe :/

I'm ok with Spider-Man staying with Sony for now, he works well when he's disconnected from the rest of the MCU. It'd be cool to see him swinging around NY in a MCU cameo tho
 
If Marvel Studios could increase their number of films to a definite 3 per year w/o sacrificing quality then I'd be all for all rights reverting. Most years that's how many we end up getting anyway except for this year and I KNOW this year's crop won't all be good already(as TASM2 has proved and X-M:DFoFP looks questionable) and I'm of the opinion that I'd rather get no movie than a bad one.
 
I just don't particularly see any benefit to the X-Men being in the connected MCU honestly. The cross-overs in the comics are already a cluster**** of confusion as it is, and personally, I just don't particularly care to see the overall tone of the MCU in an X-Men movie.

Now, Fantastic Four & Spider-Man - those would/will fit perfectly!
 
Regardless of what i posted earlier....

2015's Fantastic Four is the only Marvel movie that i don't really excited about...and I really wish Reed co. could come home to Marvel soon....Like most of the users here, I also think that FF really belongs and fits well within MCU.

It's strange, that's actually the one I'm the most interested in. I think it's an incredibly bold project and requires a lot of resourcefulness. I know I'm in the minority that thinks it's necessary to have an affordable and non-traditional FF in order to attain success, but I'm very convinced of that at this point.
 
If Marvel Studios could increase their number of films to a definite 3 per year w/o sacrificing quality then I'd be all for all rights reverting. Most years that's how many we end up getting anyway except for this year and I KNOW this year's crop won't all be good already(as TASM2 has proved and X-M:DFoFP looks questionable) and I'm of the opinion that I'd rather get no movie than a bad one.

That's just it though... From May of last year till April of this year Marvel released 3 films in under 11 months. Add GOTG and that's 4 in 15 months.

So the magic word here is fiscal and not calender. So it's not like Marvel hasn't been churning out films, they're certainly making more comic book films than any other company.
 
I'm more interested in Marvel having FF just for Dr. Doom, Galactus, Surfer, and Skrulls. I couldn't care less about the FF themselves.

Marvel gaining X-Men seems like it would cause more problems than it would solve.

Marvel gaining Spidey could definitely work, but I'm fine with where he is right now. I would like him in the MCU, but I don't want to see him fighting aliens and stuff. Considering Marvel has Daredevil though, now that's what I want to see.

Marvel not spending money on Spidey and X-Men means they can spend money on GoTG, Doctor Strange, etc. In the end, we get more movies.
 
If Marvel Studios could increase their number of films to a definite 3 per year w/o sacrificing quality then I'd be all for all rights reverting. Most years that's how many we end up getting anyway except for this year and I KNOW this year's crop won't all be good already(as TASM2 has proved and X-M:DFoFP looks questionable) and I'm of the opinion that I'd rather get no movie than a bad one.

I'm of the opinion that I'd rather get two good movies than 1 good one.

For me, if Marvel is making 3 per year, I'd MUCH rather those extra films introduce some of Marvel awesome heroes who might never see film otherwise. I'd much rather see: Black Panther, Captain Marvel, The Inhumans, Black Widow & Hawkeye, Nova, Runaways, New Warriors, Spider-Woman, She-Hulk, heck Blue Marvel, Vision, Tigra, Monica Rambeau even Hulk, War Machine, Ghost Rider, Blade and the Midnight Sons than ANOTHER Spidey/X-Men/FF film. For me, a possible +10% fresh for well explored characters isn't worth rehashing and missing out on or delaying 10-15 years something that actually expands the genre.

There's lots of cool stuff that the world would benefit from seeing on the big screen. Another Spidey origin? Not worth it, not by a long shot.
 
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There would be no need for another origin movie for Spider-man. Between the two films they have managed to cover everything that's needed.
 
An origin story isn't technical it's emotional. You'd have to have a new story to attach people emotionally to this Peter Parker and his powers and his problems, otherwise people will either just not care or worse: bring all their emotions and expectations from previous versions over.
 
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Well I disagree. I think you can pick up anywhere with Spider-man mid-stream and just run with it. Sure, reference the origin in the credits, TIH-style maybe but that's it. Same goes for any superhero in the roster who has already had the main important points regarding their origins already told on film. It took 2 origins to get those damn webshooters, his humor and 'Gwen first' on film. Spidey's covered now.
 
TIH-style didn't work for TIH, why do you think it would work for anyone else? Why do you think people care about movie characters? Why would anyone outside of comics fans care about a MCU Spider-Man more than Raimi's or Webb's Spider-Man?
 
This isn't about wanting to see these character in the same universe as the MCU, it's genuinely concerning that Sony and Fox are trying to stretch these things out far beyond their natural limit to try and get a cash grab. If Marvel had the rights to all of it, they would not be stretching the properties so thin and milking them for all its worth. This whole bubble that is forming right now is really only heading in one direction in my eyes, and it's the implosion of the Spider-Man and X-Men franchises due to oversaturation. I just hope it doesn't affect the entire genre Batman and Robin style. :/

I disagree. All movies are inherently cash grabs because they are the result of a studio's investment with the expectation of returning a profit (with the few treating cinema as an art style, and as such, less emphasis on profiting). So you can't really call out Sony and Fox for grabbing cash, while Marvel is essentially doing the same with their movies.

As for the bubble, Marvel is also somewhat responsible for the oversaturation considering that they're still pumping out quite a lot of superhero movies annually (we still have Avengers II, and III and an entire Phase 3 to expect, that's a LOT of movies, and potential for audience fatigue). I'm not bashing Marvel since I like a lot of their movies, but I don't think it's fair to call Sony and Fox out and ignore Marvel when they do similar things.
 
Agreed. They're in the exact same business with the exact same motivations. Only difference is Marvel has had the opportunity to learn from Fox and Sony's mistakes, and some of those mistakes may lay at the feet of Kevin Feige anyway. He was a producer or executive producer on everything from Elektra, Spider-Man 3, X-Men 3, Fantastic Four and 2003 Hulk. He basically got his own company and is now doing things well, and everyone's like 'oh, I'm we don't have to deal with Fox and Sony incompetence!' when it's several of the same people behind it. So silly.
 

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