Why is this movie disliked?

[K.B.]

Exactly.

 

[Crimson_L]

Why is the movie disliked?
1. Poor writing. The dialogue is as cheesy as hell.
2. Poor direction. The director's vision and respect for the ff is so mediocre and low. He thought that the ff is all fun and jokes.

Any one who loves and appreciates good movies would know that this is not one of em'. I expect better from the sequel.

Ditto.

I didn't like what was done with Sue Storm and Dr. Doom, bad choices there. I liked the Thing though...

 

[Malus]

The director's vision and respect for the ff is so mediocre and low. He thought that the ff is all fun and jokes.

From all indications, the "director" did the best he could with what he was given.
He's a lifelong FF fan. Exactly what personal insight have you got as to his vision or respect?

 

[K.B.]

Have you seen the movie or do you have some sort of "good" copy of the ff film ?
What he put out showed no care or respect. I don't understand why the hell all these "directors" show absolutly no backbone to the studios.

 

[Parker]

I liked the Fantastic Four, very much actually. Though I refrain from saying so in the presence of my local comic store for fear of them hocking one right in my face.

 

[Malus]

Have you seen the movie or do you have some sort of "good" copy of the ff film ?
What he put out showed no care or respect. I don't understand why the hell all these "directors" show absolutly no backbone to the studios.

What do do you know about how much backbone Tim Story showed to the studio? Were you there?

It's common knowledge Story was brought in at the last minute to replace Peyton Reed. At that point the script was practically set in stone. Pre-production was in progress. What the hell was he gonna do, proclaim they couldn't go on with their ill-advised space station origin just because it wasn't in his vision? You think Fox was gonna scrap millions of dollars of pre-production work just on his objections? This is Tim Story we're talking about, not James Cameron.
And actually, we do know that he went to the wall to give Doom the mask and hood. THe studio was gonna have Doom sans mask for Chrissakes!That may not be much, but it's something.
Do you really think Story, a lifelong FF fan, was happy to see one of the the greatest villains of all time completely ruined by the studio's choices? You don't think he knew full well exactly where the first film was tragically and stupidly deviating from the source material? Give me a break.
You assume Tim Story was in a situation where he could effectively influence the very wrong direction the studio was taking with so many aspects of this film. That's enormously naive, given the extensive and ruinous meddling Fox is reknowned for.

No, I do not own a "good" copy of FF, and I was disappointed with it like many others.
But I'm not so short-sighted as to endlessly bash Tim Story like it was all his damn fault.
Fantastic Four was not a Tim Story film.
It was a FOX product.

FF2 will tell the true story on Story. If it sucks, I'll be the first to say so, and there'll be no excusing Tim Story this time out.
But if it's significantly better than the first, I expect all you Story-bashers to belly up to the "crow bar" and state your preference for white or dark meat, regular or extra-crispy.

 

[K.B.]

Whoa whoa whoa there steely dan.....

Ratner was brought in last minute. Story wasnt. Reed was long gone before story was brought in.
Reed was set on doing the hard days night take and when he left, the project went right back to square 1 where they had to get a new script etc.
So yeah it was storys fault.There honestly is no excuse for this movie. As director he is the one in charge. Yeah the studio is "the boss" but story was the captain of the ship which means he had final say over things in the film and if he had any concerns he was more than welcoem to voice them.
And if you want to make the "studios spent money already" argument....2 things.
1. He could have convinced the studio HOW to capitilize on the movie to make MORE money (since money is all studio heads understand)
2. You realize just how much money the studio threw at this YEARS before story was ever mentioned even as a possible director right?

 

[Malus]

Whoa whoa whoa there steely dan.....

What the hell does that mean?

Ratner was brought in last minute. Story wasnt. Reed was long gone before story was brought in....So yeah it was storys fault.

Story was brought in much later than most directors. I never said he was hired as late as Ratner. And as far as I know, Story had zero script input, because the script was already being refined when he came on board. Perhaps someone out there can cite a source for exactly when Story was hired and at what phase pre-production was in? Not that that would necessarily settle the question of how much power he had.

There honestly is no excuse for this movie.

That honestly is your opinion.

As director he is the one in charge. Yeah the studio is "the boss" but story was the captain of the ship which means he had final say over things in the film and if he had any concerns he was more than welcoem to voice them.

No, the director is not automatically "the one in charge." Those people are called Producers and Executive Producers. I couldn't begin to count the number of "studio took over" stories I've heard from aquaintances in the film industry over the years. There are A-list directotrs (Hal Ashby comes to mind) who've had their films physically taken from them by the studios during the editing process in order to prevent them from having the final cut they were contractually promised.
So a mid-level director like Story having "Final say?" That's just hilarious.
Maybe it's true for a Steven Soderbergh or a Robert Altman making a four-million dollar indy film for a pre-established audience and market, but it is most certainly less and less the case the further up the blockbuster-making-machine ladder you go.
Yes, someone like James Cameron or Steven Spielberg can come on board and start calling the shots to a great degree, but Tim Story? Please. Story did not come on board with anything like that kind of clout.

Story was hired to direct a Fox committee-created product. Period.

And as I said, it's established that he did fight for some cosmetic changes where he could, i.e. Doom's mask & hood.

1. He could have convinced the studio HOW to capitilize on the movie to make MORE money (since money is all studio heads understand)

Studio heads being reknowned for their eagerness to listen to reason. Come on.

2. You realize just how much money the studio threw at this YEARS before story was ever mentioned even as a possible director right?

Of course. That's why I would expect them to be even more determined than usual to control the project down to the last frame. There was already a lot of money potentially down the hole.

 

[kainedamo]

What do do you know about how much backbone Tim Story showed to the studio? Were you there?

It's common knowledge Story was brought in at the last minute to replace Peyton Reed. At that point the script was practically set in stone. Pre-production was in progress. What the hell was he gonna do, proclaim they couldn't go on with their ill-advised space station origin just because it wasn't in his vision? You think Fox was gonna scrap millions of dollars of pre-production work just on his objections? This is Tim Story we're talking about, not James Cameron.
And actually, we do know that he went to the wall to give Doom the mask and hood. THe studio was gonna have Doom sans mask for Chrissakes!That may not be much, but it's something.
Do you really think Story, a lifelong FF fan, was happy to see one of the the greatest villains of all time completely ruined by the studio's choices? You don't think he knew full well exactly where the first film was tragically and stupidly deviating from the source material? Give me a break.
You assume Tim Story was in a situation where he could effectively influence the very wrong direction the studio was taking with so many aspects of this film. That's enormously naive, given the extensive and ruinous meddling Fox is reknowned for.

No, I do not own a "good" copy of FF, and I was disappointed with it like many others.
But I'm not so short-sighted as to endlessly bash Tim Story like it was all his damn fault.
Fantastic Four was not a Tim Story film.
It was a FOX product.

FF2 will tell the true story on Story. If it sucks, I'll be the first to say so, and there'll be no excusing Tim Story this time out.
But if it's significantly better than the first, I expect all you Story-bashers to belly up to the "crow bar" and state your preference for white or dark meat, regular or extra-crispy.

I'd love nothing more than for you to be right.

I just don't see how a sequel can be that great when I think of the first one.

 

[K.B.]

You wanna know why movies like X2 and Spider-Man made a gajillion dollars? It wasn't what "populer at the moment/next hottest thing" actors were in it. Or how many effects were used. Or who was on the soundtrack. They made that much money because theyr were done GOOD. People went to see those movies 3 or 4 or more times.
There is the idea that the comic nerds who see these movies only compse a certain percent of the audience and while thats true,they also will bring family and friends to see a movie so thats the one off audience. Now if a movie based on there fav comic is good..they will go see it more than once. Same with the general public.
Thats why it took Superman sooo long to make back its money. How much money do you think WB woulda made if they had delivered the Superman movie the fans were expecting or wanted to see? It would have CRUSHED any records made by pirates or spider men or ogers.

And thats how you convince the studio. "Hey you can go with option a.and make back the budget or you can go with option b. and make back budget x5." What do you think the studio would go for?

 

[colossus_girl]

I actually enjoyed this movie. I went along to see a fun, enjoyable film and thats what i got. Of course there are some flaws for me, it felt too much of a family film with some of the jokes i.e the pidgeon poop a little stale but I enjoyed it overall. And when talking to other people, I think if you're too much of a comic fan, a adaption will never meet your expectations. However a lot of comic film fans did enjoy it.
Anyway the sequel is coming out so hopefully they will expand and improve on the film.

 

[VENOMOUS!!]

the comics arent bad and i usualy like marvel movies but this was really bad!!!

 

[SeverianB]

What the hell does that mean?

He is trying to be clever. Steely Dan is the name of a rock band. They got the name for the band after seeing an add for a sex toy.

He is calling you a *****. Isn't that against the rules of the board?

 

[K.B.]

No it's just a funny line. Man you people really reach sometimes, just relax and have a sense of humor.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

I honestly don't know why so many people hate this film; I liked it, and not just because of the FX. I enjoyed the movie on its merits, and for those who are thinking "what merits", let me point out a few...

1) As several have mentioned, Johnny and Ben's interaction was practically nailed down to a T; the constant jabs were priceless.

2) Ben's story, involving both his appearance and what he lost, was great. In fact, one of my favorite scenes with him is the one where Sue confronts him about his blowout with Johnny. The "what I'd give to be invisible" line was (no pun intended) fantastically done. Michael Chiklis really sold the anger, frustration, and jadedness with real conviction. I mean, how would you feel if the accident that resulted in your new powers robbed you of your humanity, and the person you were looking to marry? It worked (just my opinion).

3) The whole Reed/Sue/Doom dilemma wasn't played for laughs or cheap erotic crap; they treated it with respect and, for the most part, the honesty of a real love triangle. Yes, it was cheesy at times, but when you stop to think of it, love is often all too cheesy.

I guess my point is that Marvel seems to have a running mantra with their films: reality over fantasy. The comics were actually rather extreme in various respects, so the filmmakers decided to tone it down for the real world, and as a result, various aspects were changed. It happens all the time. But as Dennis Miller is fond of saying, "That's just my opinion, I could be wrong"...

 

[TNC9852002]

I heart Fantastic Four!

-TNC

 

[TripleF]

He is trying to be clever. Steely Dan is the name of a rock band. They got the name for the band after seeing an add for a sex toy.

He is calling you a *****. Isn't that against the rules of the board?

LOL, not unless they used that specific terminology. I'm sorry but K.B. doesn't seem clever enough to have come up with that little term to mean what you say. Maybe he did, but I strongly doubt it.

 

[TheCaptain22555]

I don't dislike it but it could've been better. I do think they made Doom look a little funny. His costume at least. It was alright though, no other real complaints from me.

 

[Muze]

i don't think Doom looked funny. i think he was a wuss. i would expect the Fantastic Four to be harder to make than a live-action Spider-man movie. you're dealing with more characters with an even more dramatic origin story. and Doom's fairy tale origin would require it's own movie to properly adapt. so i give Story props for making me like the Four (well Johnny and Ben, at least). but i think they completely dropped the ball with Doom. choice of actor was fine. but he simply wasn't menacing enough.

i blame his involvement with Sue for his 'lack of teeth.' unless i'm to believe that Sue is a soulless *****, Doom would have to be a half-way decent guy for her to stay with him. so what i'm given is a Doom who is a victim of circumstance and a rejected paramour. throughout the movie we are made to empathize with Victor. he's casually discarded by Sue, isolated from the others as his body falls apart, and deep-sixed by the corporate board. i don't think they should have humanized/made him look like such a loser in this fashion. i think it would have played better if his intellectual rivalry with Reed were played up more. and he could have stood to be more of a ruthless creep; firing people left and right, intimidating the 'board of directors,' possibly exploiting the Fantastic Four's success.

i don't know, it just seemed to me that Ian McKellan was more Doom-like (manipulative, collected, elitist, defiant, and quick to discard his own allies) than Julian McMahon.

 

[Malus]

He is trying to be clever. Steely Dan is the name of a rock band. They got the name for the band after seeing an add for a sex toy.

Mmm. That's pretty obtuse and not very funny, even if one gets the reference. And while I knew that story, it didn't spring to mind. (No pun intended.)
I figured it was some clumsy way of calling me old.

 

[K.B.]

Like I said a few posts ago..."No it's just a funny line. Man you people really reach sometimes, just relax and have a sense of humor."

 

[TheCaptain22555]

i don't think Doom looked funny. i think he was a wuss. i would expect the Fantastic Four to be harder to make than a live-action Spider-man movie. you're dealing with more characters with an even more dramatic origin story. and Doom's fairy tale origin would require it's own movie to properly adapt. so i give Story props for making me like the Four (well Johnny and Ben, at least). but i think they completely dropped the ball with Doom. choice of actor was fine. but he simply wasn't menacing enough.

i blame his involvement with Sue for his 'lack of teeth.' unless i'm to believe that Sue is a soulless *****, Doom would have to be a half-way decent guy for her to stay with him. so what i'm given is a Doom who is a victim of circumstance and a rejected paramour. throughout the movie we are made to empathize with Victor. he's casually discarded by Sue, isolated from the others as his body falls apart, and deep-sixed by the corporate board. i don't think they should have humanized/made him look like such a loser in this fashion. i think it would have played better if his intellectual rivalry with Reed were played up more. and he could have stood to be more of a ruthless creep; firing people left and right, intimidating the 'board of directors,' possibly exploiting the Fantastic Four's success.

i don't know, it just seemed to me that Ian McKellan was more Doom-like (manipulative, collected, elitist, defiant, and quick to discard his own allies) than Julian McMahon.

I agree and I also think McMahon was a great choice to play Vic, but by the closing scene of part one I think he'll come back. I believe once Doom makes his return (hopefully it's with a better looking cloak/hood) he'll be that merciless, vile villain we all wanted to see from the get-go.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I agree and I also think McMahon was a great choice to play Vic, but by the closing scene of part one I think he'll come back. I believe once Doom makes his return (hopefully it's with a better looking cloak/hood) he'll be that merciless, vile villain we all wanted to see from the get-go.

well you'll be glad to know that Doom is DEFINATELY in FF2, and has a much better costume, due to fan response.

 

[SeverianB]

well you'll be glad to know that Doom is DEFINATELY in FF2, and has a much better costume, due to fan response.

Really? I know Doom is back, but I haven't heard anything about his costume... not that I care, I thought his costume was fine in the first one. I just thought his voice should have been more evil at the end of the movie.

I have a feeling he will be a bit changed in this next movie, but they have been keeping a pretty tight lid on things, except for the stuff filmed in public.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Really? I know Doom is back, but I haven't heard anything about his costume... not that I care, I thought his costume was fine in the first one. I just thought his voice should have been more evil at the end of the movie.

I have a feeling he will be a bit changed in this next movie, but they have been keeping a pretty tight lid on things, except for the stuff filmed in public.

They made an announcement that his costume would be newer and better, it was on SHH news.