Why mess with the origional?

[Arcturus]

WTF? It's not even on the same level as Uncle Ben's death.

That's right, it's not on the same level. It's on a much HIGHER LEVEL then uncle bens death.

 

[Cmill216]

That's right, it's not on the same level. It's on a much HIGHER LEVEL then uncle bens death.

Another classic v4life joke.

 

[Dr.Dude]

I think clearly a large part of it based on the marketing --- so on posters and such like, people can still instantly recognize that it's Spider-Man, instead of risking the vague possibility that too much of a costume change would cause confused glances.

And yes, the general public can indeed be just that stupid. You just have to look at all the so-called fans that preach how Harry Osborn is the Hobgoblin, or as some say, the "Orange Goblin", to realize it.

 

[Tangled Web]

I think clearly a large part of it based on the marketing --- so on posters and such like, people can still instantly recognize that it's Spider-Man, instead of risking the vague possibility that too much of a costume change would cause confused glances.

And yes, the general public can indeed be just that stupid. You just have to look at all the so-called fans that preach how Harry Osborn is the Hobgoblin, or as some say, the "Orange Goblin", to realize it.

The gen public is that stupid. When I saw Batman Begins, some thought it was Batman 5, some thought it was a prequel. When Joe Chill was shot, someone yelled "They shot Joker!"
The gen public acted smart like they knew about Batman. Pretty funny stuff.

 

[Spider-Bite]

WTF? It's not even on the same level as Uncle Ben's death.

true. It's not as important, but the same logic applies.

 

[Spider-Bite]

The gen public is that stupid. When I saw Batman Begins, some thought it was Batman 5, some thought it was a prequel. When Joe Chill was shot, someone yelled "They shot Joker!"
The gen public acted smart like they knew about Batman. Pretty funny stuff.

yeah but there is still the fact that whenever they see a spider-man poster, they will also see the words "Spider-Man 3" I think that would be a dead give away. The eyes? The spider on the chest? The spider-pose?

 

[bugeyed]

Not sure if this has been brought up. I just looked at the NY set pics and they changed the front spider on the black suit. The legs are pointing twords the center instead of straight up like on the classic suit. Check it out

 

[Venom'sDad]

Licensing. Money. Business.

The comics version is already on shelves, so is the comic book Venom merchandising. If the movie suits look exactly like the comics, Marvel could stand to make tons of money off of the movie without including Sony. Marvel has the right to make Spider-Man merchandising based on the comics without Sony, which means no sharing of monies. But, if you make a "MOVIE VERSION" of the symbiote suit and Venom, it all becomes apart of the licensing movie empire that's a limited joint venture named "SPIDER-MAN MERCHANDISING, LP" that was setup in partnership between both MARVEL and SONY.

Great point

 

[Jubba]

Why would he have a black suit in the first place then?

for the movie, to give the symbiote reason to turn black
maybe spidey gets tired of being spotted at night because of his bright red and blue outfit and wants some undercover gear for hiding in the shadows
maybe MJ makes it for him
who knows

 

[Cmill216]

maybe spidey gets tired of being spotted at night because of his bright red and blue outfit and wants some undercover gear for hiding in the shadows

A couple choices for my response:

A.)
B.)
C.)
D.) All of the above, plus a bonus

 

[Spider-Bite]

the webs aren't that big of a deal to me really. I still really wish it would mimick clothing though. I think the mistake is rushing Venom in 3. I think that is the big mistake, and according to spiderboy whom I believe, it wasn't raimi's decision.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Licensing. Money. Business.

The comics version is already on shelves, so is the comic book Venom merchandising. If the movie suits look exactly like the comics, Marvel could stand to make tons of money off of the movie without including Sony. Marvel has the right to make Spider-Man merchandising based on the comics without Sony, which means no sharing of monies. But, if you make a "MOVIE VERSION" of the symbiote suit and Venom, it all becomes apart of the licensing movie empire that's a limited joint venture named "SPIDER-MAN MERCHANDISING, LP" that was setup in partnership between both MARVEL and SONY.

that would be a good point, and it is clearly good logic, however it's not the case here. Marvel doesn't have to include Sony for toys or video games based off of these movies. Toybiz paid bought rights to make toys for spider-man 1 and 2 from Marvel, and not Sony. The company I think they were called Gaestro bought the rights to part 3 and 4 from Marvel. Marvel got 70 mill for part 3 and 35 mill for part 4. The same thing with video games. marvel owns the complete rights to that stuff from the movies. I don't know regarding movie posters, but how much money can you get off of posters? They are like 2 dollars at wal mart.

 

[Reikowolf]

WTF? It's not even on the same level as Uncle Ben's death.

agreed!

The death of Captain Stacey, the death of Gwenn, the marriage of Peter to MJ
these are all iconic moments.

Venom is more on the
"doc ock almost marrying aunt may" level
I mean...sure it's a fun little fact and even cool to an extent
but what has Venom done in the Spider-Man universe that trully effected Pete's life?? I mean he is a cool villain but he really hasn't done anything devestating to be labelled one of the best villains... maybe one of the most popular because fans seem to really love him... but to date.. he has yet to make his mark in spidey's life.

edit: and even amongst the greatest moments... uncle ben's death is the most important.. and we all know why.

 

[Venom1998]

Some things just dont translate as good on film from the origionals ya know.Yes the exact black and white costume is what we expect cause thats what we know but im not sure that would look to good in real life.The way i see it as long as the costume is black and looks like a more modern day version without any cheesynesss then i dont care. I must say that if i do see raised webbing on Venom then i will be pissed.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Why mess with the original,because the original look would not look good in a movie version.

really? this wouldnt look good in a movie

 

[Tangled Web]

Maybe what bothers me is that the webs are too noticable. You know? Hopefullyon film it'll look more sleek.

 

[Spider-Bite]

actually I think the only way that suit would look better than what we are getting is if they used the texture to make it look alive.

those bumps look a lot like pores. They could use them to make it look like the symbiote is breathing. I think it would be cool if whenever it got close up the pores would open and close in sync with the rising and falling of his chest. and the rising and falling of his real chest could be exagerated slightly, to where you only notice if he was just standing there and the camera was close up.

I think it could get worse when he's angry.

 

[The_Dark_Knight]

You know, at first when I saw the poster, I HATED it. Now I'm warmed up to it.

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

Spideyboy1111 i have a question can you ask your friend for the origin of VENOM!!!

Thank You

 

[SpiderB]

actually I think the only way that suit would look better than what we are getting is if they used the texture to make it look alive.

those bumps look a lot like pores. They could use them to make it look like the symbiote is breathing. I think it would be cool if whenever it got close up the pores would open and close in sync with the rising and falling of his chest. and the rising and falling of his real chest could be exagerated slightly, to where you only notice if he was just standing there and the camera was close up.

I think it could get worse when he's angry.

No offense Spider-Bite, but that just sounds gross.

 

[ultimatefan]

I´m sorry but no one will EVER convince me that the black suit and the origin of Venom and the character himself rank among classic or iconic elements of the Spidey mythos. It´s the most forced, contrived and convoluted origin of any villain in the history of comic books. It´s basically an attempt to do the best out of the terrible decision of giving Spider-Man a black suit that didn´t really fit his character in anyway. Most of the Venom fanaticism comes simply from the fact that the character looked cool in pin-ups, he was basically a product of the dreadful "splash panel" age of superhero comics.

 

[ultimatefan]

how it looks? opinon. the origin? who said anything about spider-man's origin?

It is a classic iconic element of the spider-man mythos. How could you say it isn't? That's like saying Uncle Ben dying was not a classic moment.

No it-´s not. For a lot of fans, there´s nothing classic or iconic about it.

 

[Arcturus]

No it-´s not. For a lot of fans, there´s nothing classic or iconic about it.

And for alot of fans, it's classic and iconic.

 

[Spider-Bite]

No offense Spider-Bite, but that just sounds gross.

yeah but that's not automatically a bad thing, since the symbiote is supposed to be somewhat gross anyways. a black gooey liquid?
to quote spider-man from the 90's cartoon series

"Gross how do I get this stuff off of me?"

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Spideyboy1111 i have a question can you ask your friend for the origin of VENOM!!!

Thank You

im not asking anymore.. plus his department wraps up in 2 weeks anyway.. so i doubt hes going to learn anymore.. plus the whole film crew is in new york at the moment