Why Nolan??

[StrainedEyes]

No, because you have failed to even accurately express your opinion. So far, all I can tell is that you think any director that makes a movie you like is a great one.

I liked Transformers, Michael Bay must be a genius.

I'm done, ok?

I have absolutely no interest in trying to explain myself to you.

Move on...

 

[Hunter Rider]

I much prefer his way of invisible directing (kinda like Cameron Crowe) instead of the way the likes of Burton and Bay keep bashing your over the head with their so called "styles", which is usually a way to disguise their lack of talent when it comes to telling a story.

I agree to a point that Crowe isn't a guy that visually stamps himself on his movies but there is no mistaking a film is a Cameron Crowe movie IMO, no one does bittersweet, Melancholy feel good better than him, he creates a world that warms you, makes you feel sad and happy but never over steps into mush IMO ,it's almost surreal at times and his choice of music is unparralelled IMO.

Wonderfully said.

For me, it doesn't always has to be about visual style. As long as you have something interesting and new to do. And, at first, Nolan did. Following, Memento, they worked. But then with his continuation of doing little more than telling chronologically-scattered stories...you need something more than that. IMO, at least.

For me Memento is a film that kicks your ass the first time you see and then you realize how much it relies on it's backwards narrative to hook you, still with that structure i find knew things in the movie each time i see it, With Insomnia from a visual side it could be directed by anyone but it's still a well made thriller, BB is my fav Batman movie, i loved what he did with it on many levels however it wasn't a film that took the character into his fantasy realm, it was Batman in SVU, i can see why some have issues with that lack of flamboyance in a comic book adaption...The Prestige i have only seen once and felt it was his best as far as combining the visual and the narrative, and this time the structure was great for revealing the story as opposed to covering up it's basicness.

So i'd say he is good and can be great one day but the marriage of the visual with the storytelling is what makes that next step IMO.

 

[Cyrusbales]

A lot of people who say they like a director or hate a director, don't actually mention anything directorially based in their arguements. He makes good films, or the story is great, or the performances are great, to a degree, these are based on direction, but are most certainly nothing to do with the core of directing.

No-one against SR actually criticised Singer's DIRECITON, they all said the film was horrible for this and that, the story blah blah blah, but then callled him a bad director with no evidence.

Personally Singer is far more talented that Nolan, with a much better balance of visual style, and thank christ he knows how to use juxtapositioning and framing, lost on so many, but hey, it's there!

 

[Hunter Rider]

EDIT : WTF was i thinking, i'd get more sense outta headbutting a brick wall

 

[Cyrusbales]

EDIT : WTF was i thinking, i'd get more sense outta headbutting a brick wall

You think headbutting a brick wall is bad, try having sex with one, just.....ouch.

 

[Kelly]

You think headbutting a brick wall is bad, try having sex with one, just.....ouch.

You've screwed a brick wall? Wow...... I must admit, thats a new one.

 

[Cyrusbales]

You've screwed a brick wall? Wow...... I must admit, thats a new one.

Trust me, that's not even the worst.....

 

[Kelly]

Trust me, that's not even the worst.....

Oh, sweety, please stop while you're ahead......well..............no you've fallen way behind.......I'd start digging as fast as I could to get yourself out of this hole, because you are covering yourself up quickly.

 

[Cyrusbales]

My sexual dignity traded for simple humour, anyday

 

[strikezone89]

can we close this... i cant believe there are actually nolan haters in this world

 

[Cyrusbales]

can we close this... i cant believe there are actually nolan haters in this world

Denail aint a river in Egypt.......

 

[Hunter Rider]

can we close this... i cant believe there are actually nolan haters in this world

No there is room for discussion......

Denail aint a river in Egypt.......

This type of attitude of course doesn't help....especially when you massacre your own punchline

 

[Cyrusbales]

No there is room for discussion......



This type of attitude of course doesn't help....especially when you massacre your own punchline

it was more of a slight wound, not quite a massacre.....

 

[luke1234]

can we close this... i cant believe there are actually nolan haters in this world

yeah dude in the time we live in with this kind of hollywood we should appreciate his origniality and creativity

 

[Cyrusbales]

Or look elsewhere for real talent?

 

[Hunter Rider]

it was more of a slight wound, not quite a massacre.....

Dude, your punchline is lying in the gutter hemmoraging all over the place

 

[Cyrusbales]

Dude, your punchline is lying in the gutter hemmoraging all over the place

It wasn't a good one in the first place, at least I nailed the stupidity of it

 

[Hunter Rider]

Or look elsewhere for real talent?

Man, if you're gonna debate, do so, you have prior and the points are there however negligible or not they may be, jabbing isn't constructive to the thread.

It wasn't a good one in the first place, at least I nailed the stupidity of it

You left no base uncovered in it's annihilation, hence massacre

 

[Cinemaman]

People go on about his plot twist and non-linear style etc, but no one actually comments on the bulk DIRECTION. His use of camera for example, ever watch what the camera does in memento? Not a lot for a while, which is what you'd expect, his life goes nowhere, neither does the camera, then he spoiles this with too much camera moving, makign you think he wasn't trying to even make that point in the first place.

Framing? There is 8 sequences in following where framing is used to hint and comment on either the characters state of mind, the sitaution or the hidden nuances that the audience are aware of, however I have yet to see him return to this form in ANY of his other movies in terms of framing.

Editing, yet again, following was precisely edited at times, to bring extra meaning to certain moments, the choice of cutting from one sequence to another at the exact frames, showing through extra purpose, the combatant of past and present in an almost sardonic twist of prophetic irony. This is not captured anywhere else in his other works.

The more fame he gets, the less he actually focuses on the details and finesse of his work.

Isn't camera supposed to be used to just tell the story, not draw away audience's attention with it's amazing effects?

 

[luke1234]

Isn't camera supposed to be used to just tell the story, not draw away audience's attention with it's amazing effects?

great point...nolans editing is perfect btw...and the only noticibly bad camera work was batman begins fight scenes

 

[Cyrusbales]

Isn't camera supposed to be used to just tell the story, not draw away audience's attention with it's amazing effects?

You can stick a camera in front of something and it captures the story, OR you can use motion, angles, and the arrangement within the shot and it's previous and subsequent shot to create extra meaning.

A simple example, a woman walks into a room, the camera stays still and she is central.

OR

The woman walks in, the camera pans up her whole body, up and down.

Completely different effects, same story, this is of course the very basic level, much more can be done, how you do something is just as important as what you do.

 

[Hunter Rider]

You can stick a camera in front of something and it captures the story, OR you can use motion, angles, and the arrangement within the shot and it's previous and subsequent shot to create extra meaning.

A simple example, a woman walks into a room, the camera stays still and she is central.

OR

The woman walks in, the camera pans up her whole body, up and down.

Completely different effects, same story, this is of course the very basic level, much more can be done, how you do something is just as important as what you do.

Yeah, example one you use on a regular woman and example two you use on Jessica Biel........

 

[Cinemaman]

A lot of people who say they like a director or hate a director, don't actually mention anything directorially based in their arguements. He makes good films, or the story is great, or the performances are great, to a degree, these are based on direction, but are most certainly nothing to do with the core of directing.

No-one against SR actually criticised Singer's DIRECITON, they all said the film was horrible for this and that, the story blah blah blah, but then callled him a bad director with no evidence.

Personally Singer is far more talented that Nolan, with a much better balance of visual style, and thank christ he knows how to use juxtapositioning and framing, lost on so many, but hey, it's there!

Though Singer is actually a really very good director and I still don't get why people started hating him for one or two failures (I am talking about SR and Apt Pupil), he isn't like Nolan. While Nolan bases his movies more on story than on visual style, Singer does more impact on his visual style. SR would be way better film, if they didn't go with all that requel crap. And I was disappointed with what Sony Imageworks has done.

 

[Cinemaman]

You can stick a camera in front of something and it captures the story, OR you can use motion, angles, and the arrangement within the shot and it's previous and subsequent shot to create extra meaning.

A simple example, a woman walks into a room, the camera stays still and she is central.

OR

The woman walks in, the camera pans up her whole body, up and down.

Completely different effects, same story, this is of course the very basic level, much more can be done, how you do something is just as important as what you do.

But is it really so necessary, when Nolan actually has his own style. He doesn't just shoot everything like it's told in script, and his camera moves. Didn't you notice it? Camera moves with every character's movement, it slowly shakes during flashbacks and abruptly runs with protagonist during action scene. It's not about where do you place it, but how do you use it. He always tries to show as much tensity/calmness (depending on atmosphere of this or that scene) as it's possible telling audience what character feels through every his movement.

 

[Cyrusbales]

He doesn't create meaning, just general mood.