Why Nolan??

turtle? are you serious!?
have you seen
BATMAN BEGINS?
THE PRESTIGE?
EQUALLIBERAM? *sp*
 
^ What does Equilbrium have to do with anything?

Nolan didn't direct that overrated fanboy wetdream...
 
Memento and the Prestige were great movies. I absolutely LOVED the Prestige. The story was amazing, the acting was great, and the ending was killer. For those who thought it was too confusing...well, sorry to hear that...I didn't have a hard time at all understanding it.
 
I enjoy all of his movies, and I own them all on DVD. My only problem is I couldn't see a f--king thing during the action. That's got nothing to do with style, he's just copying what every other director is doing these days.
 
It is somewhat amusing. Fanboys do overpraise the man. He is avery good director who shows a great deal of intelligence and above all else the promise of great potential.

But because half these boards praise him as some sort of demigod because of BB, you have the fanboys who think they are "knowledgable" film critics who have to berate everything nolan does so as to educate the rest of the forum.

Very amusing.
 
I enjoy all of his movies, and I own them all on DVD. My only problem is I couldn't see a f--king thing during the action. That's got nothing to do with style, he's just copying what every other director is doing these days.
well he is the only one who explained why he filmed the action like that.it fits with batman.

of course we should be able to see the fighting in arkham and on the train with ra's. at the docs it made 100% sense.
 
It is somewhat amusing. Fanboys do overpraise the man. He is avery good director who shows a great deal of intelligence and above all else the promise of great potential.

But because half these boards praise him as some sort of demigod because of BB, you have the fanboys who think they are "knowledgable" film critics who have to berate everything nolan does so as to educate the rest of the forum.

Very amusing.

Well its basically Hyperbole on both sides and that happens all the time on Internet message boards with everything.
End of the day Nolan has done good for himself playing it straight and delivering fairly good films with a mature tone, one of them being good enough to bring one of the most important comic book franchise back to relevance.

But yeah Its all hyperbole on each side, its the internet...what can ya do eh? lol
I can understand people overpraising Nolan rather than someone differently who gets a lotta online love like say Kevin Smith (who I like but you know...come on now lol)
 
My point of his direction, is that he fails to evoke anything more than portrayal of the story, it's similar to someone just reading an essay, and not going into further details and expanding.

He may use a certain filter or something, becuase it looks cool, but generally has no purpose other than stimulating the very basic of lower pleasures.
 
My point of his direction, is that he fails to evoke anything more than portrayal of the story, it's similar to someone just reading an essay, and not going into further details and expanding.

He may use a certain filter or something, becuase it looks cool, but generally has no purpose other than stimulating the very basic of lower pleasures.

Yes, but the point is that his "portrayal of the story" is quite exceptional. Nolan is a great storyteller - he knows how to entertain and thrill audiences, especially with his knack for using narrative structure as a storytelling device in the cases of Memento and The Prestige (anyone who says that it is just a gimmick doesn't have a ****ing clue as to what he is talking about, because the non-linear structures actually serve a credible and important purpose in both films rather than just being something "cool"). He knows how to extract great performances from his actors.

Like the DACrowe already stated, pretentious film snobs like you raked on Hitchcock in his day for not making ingeniously thought-provoking films. You can't stand there and tell me Raiders of The Lost Ark is a poor or a mediocre film just because it isn't rife with some kind of poignant social commentary.

Furthermore, the fact that you always talk as if filmmaking is an exact science the quality or lack thereof of which can be accurately measured and defined using certain terms and standards only make you look like an pigheaded elitist who has difficulty accepting diversity of opinion on a subjective topic like cinema.
 
Yes, but the point is that his "portrayal of the story" is quite exceptional. Nolan is a great storyteller - he knows how to entertain and thrill audiences, especially with his knack for using narrative structure as a storytelling device in the cases of Memento and The Prestige (anyone who says that it is just a gimmick doesn't have a ****ing clue as to what he is talking about, because the non-linear structures actually serve a credible and important purpose in both films rather than just being something "cool"). He knows how to extract great performances from his actors.

Like the DACrowe already stated, pretentious film snobs like you raked on Hitchcock in his day for not making ingeniously thought-provoking films. You can't stand there and tell me Raiders of The Lost Ark is a poor or a mediocre film just because it isn't rife with some kind of poignant social commentary.

Furthermore, the fact that you always talk as if filmmaking is an exact science the quality or lack thereof of which can be accurately measured and defined using certain terms and standards only make you look like an pigheaded elitist who has difficulty accepting diversity of opinion on a subjective topic like cinema.


His portrayal of the story is very much a literal translation of the screenplay. Have you ever read the actual screenplay of one of his films? Memento is online, as is the following, and he clearly adds nothing to it.

It owuld not kill him to add a few etra nuances of character through framing, instead of using the camera like a primitive device, his most sophisticated work was Following, which began very strong, and actually showed some innovative camera work, however by it's end and in all his other films, the camera is merely a portal to his films, not a point of view. His success is due to the screenplay's rather than his direction.

As for hitchcock, some of his films, especially his earlier work, was an inferior version of Robert Sidomak's, imitating some of his style and seemingly playing catch up. Only in his later and richer work did he find a much more interesting deepness. The reason Htichockc's films like Psycho are heralded as wonderful, is because of the use of camera, framing, lighting and angels were his tools, which most film makers seem to have forgotten about.

There is a particular school of thought amongst scholars about the science of cinema, I said that Nolan was basic, you agreed that he does not surpass the narrative, my point here is just that Nolan translates a screenplay, he does not enhance it whatsoever, he does not use the tools of cinema, he is simplistic and shows no huge understanding of the capabilities of cinema.

To paraphrase what Lenin said, "cinema is by far the most important tool at my disposal." he went on to say how cinema was hugely important and could affect entire cultures and make a huge impact. A lot of people who assume cinema is harmless entertainment barely know about it's origins and capabilities, as a form of cultural scultory media.
 
Nolan is like Alfred Hitchcock of this generation, he's an excellent filmmaker and he knows how to make a masterpiece. I won't be surprised, if his name gets mentioned in cinema history in 20-30 years.
 
Nolan is like Alfred Hitchcock of this generation, he's an excellent filmmaker and he knows how to make a masterpiece. I won't be surprised, if his name gets mentioned in cinema history in 20-30 years.

What exactly do you base this on?:huh:
 
It's based on my opinion. This thread asks why you think Nolan is a good director, I have already answered on this question.

I was hoping for an analysis of his work perhaps.

Whilst we don't often agree, I do consider you a freind and value what you have to say, even if I disagree most of the time:yay:
 
His portrayal of the story is very much a literal translation of the screenplay. Have you ever read the actual screenplay of one of his films? Memento is online, as is the following, and he clearly adds nothing to it.

Of course he adds nothing more to it, because he WROTE the goddamn screenplay, you mutt. :dry: :rolleyes:

It owuld not kill him to add a few etra nuances of character through framing, instead of using the camera like a primitive device, his most sophisticated work was Following, which began very strong, and actually showed some innovative camera work, however by it's end and in all his other films, the camera is merely a portal to his films, not a point of view. His success is due to the screenplay's rather than his direction.

Actually, Memento and The Prestige clearly show that he's a master at effortlessly weaving unconventional narrative structures with a film's storyline rather than using them as a gimmick. I liked how you conveniently gloss over the points I and DACrowe have made so far, and instead of actually addressing them, you go off on trivial tangents. It's downright amusing how you're clinging to distant straws here - first, it was Nolan's films not having a social commentary, now your criticism of his direction is based solely on the camerawork?

As a student of film, I'm sure you would've known that direction is not just one or two single jobs, but rather a sum of many different parts, bringing together the talents of different people and channeling them in the direction one requires. All of Nolan's films (well, aside from Batman Begins to a much lesser extent) have excellently written characters, great performances, unique narrative structures...even the one thing you're blowing your useless trumpet on, that his films are good because of the screenplay, well, it wouldn't hurt you to know he's written or co-written the screenplay of every single one of his films.

There is a particular school of thought amongst scholars about the science of cinema, I said that Nolan was basic, you agreed that he does not surpass the narrative, my point here is just that Nolan translates a screenplay, he does not enhance it whatsoever, he does not use the tools of cinema, he is simplistic and shows no huge understanding of the capabilities of cinema.

I clearly disagree. The way he masterfully channels Leonard's confusion through the audience with the back-and-forth structure of the film alone is enough to disprove your point. And The Prestige very clearly showed his talents at making a film that is both grim and gorgeous, atmospheric yet contained. It is not my problem that your "formal" education of film limits your perception of cinema as if it is some kind of mathematical equation.

To paraphrase what Lenin said, "cinema is by far the most important tool at my disposal." he went on to say how cinema was hugely important and could affect entire cultures and make a huge impact. A lot of people who assume cinema is harmless entertainment barely know about it's origins and capabilities, as a form of cultural scultory media.

I'm pretty sure your average Joe has more than enough idea that cinema is NOT just harmless entertainment and is often used as a significant tool of propaganda and cultural export. But that's not the point now is it? I'm sure it is terribly hard for you to understand my very simple assertion that cinema can be many different things at once, but that doesn't mean it always HAS to be. Your method of criticism is both shabby and weak. If I were to use your template, I would take the obscure foreign arthouse films of the ones you call "talented directors" and harp on them for being pretentious, self-important and absolutely worthless as pieces of escapism and thrilling populist entertainment. And even you can't deny it. But I suppose your broken logic would quantify that as blatant failures of the director, eh?

What you've stated thus far about Nolan's films not having deep social commentary or innovative camerawork does not diminish his status as a great director, especially when you've done absolutely NOTHING to refute his strengths as a wonderful filmmaker that myself and other posters in this thread have listed thus far. Rather than addressing the points made by other people, you simply indulge in even more blind rhetoric.

:marv:
 
Nolan is good, but he lacks creativity. It's a bit easier doing work when 50% of it has already been done for you. Characters, story, even feel has already been created. Nolan just adapts work to the screen. It would be interesting to see him do a film that's all his. I love adaptations, but a resume that's nothing but adaptations of books, comics, and novellas isn't a very strong one IMO. What Nolan does is use his craft to bring other people's work to screen, so as far as that's concerned, he does a good job.
 
Peter Jackson used to be the one that could do no wrong until King Kong. Then suddenly all the fanboys turned on his ass. That's why people in Hollywood hate us, we're fickle as a 15 year old girl at the mall.
 
Peter Jackson used to be the one that could do no wrong until King Kong. Then suddenly all the fanboys turned on his ass. That's why people in Hollywood hate us, we're fickle as a 15 year old girl at the mall.


I've never been a big PJ fan. He shoots one long 12 hour film and is hailed as one of the greatest of all time...sure.
 
Nolan is good, but he lacks creativity. It's a bit easier doing work when 50% of it has already been done for you. Characters, story, even feel has already been created. Nolan just adapts work to the screen. It would be interesting to see him do a film that's all his. I love adaptations, but a resume that's nothing but adaptations of books, comics, and novellas isn't a very strong one IMO. What Nolan does is use his craft to bring other people's work to screen, so as far as that's concerned, he does a good job.

Every director uses their craft to bring other peoples work to screen. There aren't many directors that also write and adapt their own scripts on their own. Thats what directors do adapt scripts, books and storys to film.

I've never been a big PJ fan. He shoots one long 12 hour film and is hailed as one of the greatest of all time...sure.

THe reason Peter Jackson gets admiration is because he directed Lord of The Rings trilogy which many people thought was unfilmable. Not only that he also made a great adaptation which is probabley gonna be thought of as one of the best trilogys ever made.

I say that not even being a lord of the rings fan or a peter jackson fan but I can recognise he made a good movie trilogy. Even if the rest of his films are duds. He could still survive in Hollywood off the rep from those movies in the same way francis ford coppla and George Lucas survive off their reputations from Godfather and Star Wars movies.
 
Wow I think people really have trouble comprehending how difficult adaptation is (Insomnia doesn't count as it is a remake of a Russian film, albeit Nolan's did have noticable differences) but I mean if you've read The Prestige, he did not just shoot that book word ofr word. And....

Oh why bother? People think they are above him no matter what. He's a populist filmmaker who is overpraised by his fans so internet forum "critics" have to come and say he has no style or basic camera work.

His entire movies are based on style, misdirection and simplistic storytelling for complex narratives (BB not withstanding) so he can take genre pieces and makese the audience look one way while he uses the camera to pull them another. He is a manipulative filmmaker who makes very smart movies...just movies meant for basic entertainment.

If that makes him a hack so is almost every filmmaker whose name we remember in American cinema.
 
Nolan is good, but he lacks creativity. It's a bit easier doing work when 50% of it has already been done for you. Characters, story, even feel has already been created. Nolan just adapts work to the screen. It would be interesting to see him do a film that's all his. I love adaptations, but a resume that's nothing but adaptations of books, comics, and novellas isn't a very strong one IMO. What Nolan does is use his craft to bring other people's work to screen, so as far as that's concerned, he does a good job.

Wow, if that's your criteria then Spielberg's resume in your eyes isn't very impressive either, because:

Lincoln
Munich
War of the Worlds
Catch Me If You Can
Schindler's List
Jurassic Park
The Lost World
Saving Private Ryan
The Terminal
Amistad
Empire of The Sun

...well, all of those films are either adaptations of novels or based on real-life events, which also puts him in the category of "unoriginal" filmmakers.

:ninja: :dry:
 
^ complete apples to oranges comparison because Spielberg has at least made personal and original films (Ie: Close Encounters, E.T., JAWS, Raiders) and his original work is highly regarded as his best. Everything Nolan has touched outside of Following has been an adaptations, his upcoming projects The Dark Knight,The Prisoner, and The Exec? also adaptations. I really want to see a completely original work again from Nolan one day. He's a great technical filmmaker I'm sure he could put his imagination to come up with something real good.

Nolan is good, but he lacks creativity. It's a bit easier doing work when 50% of it has already been done for you. Characters, story, even feel has already been created. Nolan just adapts work to the screen. It would be interesting to see him do a film that's all his. I love adaptations, but a resume that's nothing but adaptations of books, comics, and novellas isn't a very strong one IMO. What Nolan does is use his craft to bring other people's work to screen, so as far as that's concerned, he does a good job.

I concurr good sir, you put it more eloquently than I did in my first post in this thread.
 

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