Why the restart?

[Syncos]

I hope you mean because it was built on a flimsy premise that you go crazy questioning it, and not that you think it requires you to actually engage your brain...because as far as TF goes, I can't think of many more brain-less movies.

But what about my friend that I referred to in an earlier post? She's an astute gal. Her biggest question was why when Banner, a brilliant scientist, experimented on himself, he turned into a creature with a completely different personality, while Blonsky retained his personality. I could have told her the phychology of all of that was set up in the first Hulk movie...but I couldn't answer it like that because it's not a sequel. She had a valid question. TIH didn't explain any of that.
This movie would have been stronger if it would have not contradicted anything in the first film...just made it clear that it was a new direction for the character and move on from there.

It's not too hard to conceive. The gamma monster is reflective of aggression and anger and power. Banner turns into a different person, because he's not someone who lives off of those traits. Where as Blonsky is. He's a fighter. He is a monster. There's no need to watch Hulk 03 to be able to explain it.

 

[Anubis Raptor]

I guess they felt that the first HULK movie didn't satisfy fans. So they wanted to give it another shot and this time actually aimed at what the fans wanted. They also wanted to make a movie closer to the comic and also a movie (about HULK) that would lead up into an Avengers film!

 

[SFII]

it's pretty much a Sequel. but they "fixed up" a few things from the 03 movie.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

From what I've been told, its neither a sequel or a reboot... just a fresh take on the franchise.

Thank you Marvel.

 

[co2]

It's not too hard to conceive. The gamma monster is reflective of aggression and anger and power. Banner turns into a different person, because he's not someone who lives off of those traits. Where as Blonsky is. He's a fighter. He is a monster. There's no need to watch Hulk 03 to be able to explain it.

But ya know what? They didn't explain any of that in this film. Banner could turn into Hulk if he simply had sex. He was simply a guy that couldn't let his heart rate get elevated.
Again..Ang's movie had already established not only what released Hulk (the gamma accident) but what created Hulk (Bruce's phyche), so just move on without re-booting.

 

[Syncos]

Absolutely!
i don't get how people think this new movie is a reboot when, it absolutely did not re-do the first movie at all. Ang Lee's movie still serves as an origin movie. it still serves as a setup movie for this new one. and this new one is awesome.

Except that the origin, and his first hulk out, and nearly killing betty, and them not seeing each other since, kinda negates the entire first movie.

This 08 movie is definitely more of a sequel than people are led to believe. and i think that was part of Marvel's strategy to attract more audience to come back and see this movie, for the ones who didn't like 03 Hulk. but in my opinion, if this movie was a complete re-told story of the first movie, i probably wouldn't want to see it. because who wants to see the same old story re-done, this soon? so, it was great that Marvel actually made this movie fit like it was a sequel.

Just because the movie is a reboot doesn't mean they need to retell the same story. that would be absurd.. The only way it's like a sequel is that the character of the hulk is still fresh in peoples minds, so they don't need to retell everything, really. It's the same premise. But that stands to reason, it's the same character.

i mean, the end of 03 Hulk was a great way to setup for more sequels. and this pretty much runs along the lines of what happens in the TV series'. Bruce Banner leading people to believe he died, traveling around the world, on the run from the army, searching for a cure. and last we saw him was in South America/Brazil. and thru the whole new movie he travels around the country.
and at the end of the new movie, we see him in British Columbia, Canada. i'm sure that's where the next Hulk movie will begin.

Yes. Hulk 03 did a great job of staying ambiguous at the end. which is why you believe this movie to be a sequel.

 

[StrainedEyes]

Absolutely!
i don't get how people think this new movie is a reboot when, it absolutely did not re-do the first movie at all. Ang Lee's movie still serves as an origin movie. it still serves as a setup movie for this new one. and this new one is awesome.
This 08 movie is definitely more of a sequel than people are led to believe. and i think that was part of Marvel's strategy to attract more audience to come back and see this movie, for the ones who didn't like 03 Hulk. but in my opinion, if this movie was a complete re-told story of the first movie, i probably wouldn't want to see it. because who wants to see the same old story re-done, this soon? so, it was great that Marvel actually made this movie fit like it was a sequel.
i mean, the end of 03 Hulk was a great way to setup for more sequels. and this pretty much runs along the lines of what happens in the TV series'. Bruce Banner leading people to believe he died, traveling around the world, on the run from the army, searching for a cure. and last we saw him was in South America/Brazil. and thru the whole new movie he travels around the country.
and at the end of the new movie, we see him in British Columbia, Canada. i'm sure that's where the next Hulk movie will begin.

This movie does not fit like a sequel... The Betty/Hulk relationship was well established through the first movie, yet in this one Betty learns that she can calm Bruce down. If this was a sequel, she would already know that, but she doesn't.

Betty also seems pretty shocked to see Hulk for the first time, post-attack in the lab. Which doesn't work with the first movie.

The whole first movie, Ross is after Bruce with the entire army, yet in this one Betty is shocked at what he is trying to do, and how he is going after Bruce.

It works as a sequel, if you force it to and ignore the glaring inconsistencies.

 

[Syncos]

But ya know what? They didn't explain any of that in this film. Banner could turn into Hulk if he simply had sex. He was simply a guy that couldn't let his heart rate get elevated.
Again..Ang's movie had already established not only what released Hulk (the gamma accident) but what created Hulk (Bruce's phyche), so just move on without re-booting.

Banner didn't know whether or not sex would trigger a transformation. which is why he said no. It's not a transformation when his heart rate changes. His heart rate going up is just an early warning sign of a transformation.

 

[JAWS]

This movie does not fit like a sequel... The Betty/Hulk relationship was well established through the first movie, yet in this one Betty learns that she can calm Bruce down. If this was a sequel, she would already know that, but she doesn't.

Betty also seems pretty shocked to see Hulk for the first time, post-attack in the lab. Which doesn't work with the first movie.

The whole first movie, Ross is after Bruce with the entire army, yet in this one Betty is shocked at what he is trying to do, and how he is going after Bruce.

It works as a sequel, if you force it to and ignore the glaring inconsistencies.

Agree 100%

 

[jimslimbo]

Then you are agreeing the "rebooting" didn't make a difference? That's one of my points as to why the reboot thing was pointless.

How is it pointless. They didn't reboot the hulk to make more money. But to give the hulk fans a better movie than the first. So no it was not pointless to make a reboot. Because it succeded in giving a better film.

 

[JAWS]

I hope you mean because it was built on a flimsy premise that you go crazy questioning it, and not that you think it requires you to actually engage your brain...because as far as TF goes, I can't think of many more brain-less movies.

But what about my friend that I referred to in an earlier post? She's an astute gal. Her biggest question was why when Banner, a brilliant scientist, experimented on himself, he turned into a creature with a completely different personality, while Blonsky retained his personality. I could have told her the phychology of all of that was set up in the first Hulk movie...but I couldn't answer it like that because it's not a sequel. She had a valid question. TIH didn't explain any of that.
This movie would have been stronger if it would have not contradicted anything in the first film...just made it clear that it was a new direction for the character and move on from there.

Just tell her that Bruce took a full load of Gamma radiation and that Abomination had a sample of Banner's blood. In the comics Gamma rays effect many characters in different ways. There does not really seem to be any reason.

If there is another hulk movie don't take her because she will be really confused why Mr. Blue is running around with a giant green head.

 

[JAWS]

How is it pointless. They didn't reboot the hulk to make more money. But to give the hulk fans a better movie than the first. So no it was not pointless to make a reboot. Because it succeded in giving a better film.

Yes I love the fact that I can choose to ignore the first Hulk film if I wish.

 

[co2]

How is it pointless. They didn't reboot the hulk to make more money. But to give the hulk fans a better movie than the first. So no it was not pointless to make a reboot. Because it succeded in giving a better film.

I said it was pointless, because they simply touched on it so as to wipe out the first film, but they didn't do anything in the way of fleshing it out, so there are a lot of unanswered questions..thus plot holes. Had they fleshed it out a little more, there wouldn't be this issue. That's why I said I'm looking forward to the DVD because perhaps the extended edition will fill in those holes.

As for your statement about them not doing the reboot as an attempt to make more money..I hope you really don't believe what you said.

 

[co2]

Yes I love the fact that I can choose to ignore the first Hulk film if I wish.

Welcome to the Hype BTW. I like your username because it means we may both share the same movie as our favorite film.

But in reference to your comment, you actually don't have that option because TIH wipes out the Hulk continuity. I wish they would have done it in a fashion you suggest..where it wouldn't refer to Hulk '03 so it could be a non-sequel, but for those that prefer, it can also be thought of as a sequel. I think that would have been a better approach rather than showing brief glimpses of an origin that never gets fleshed out properly.

 

[JAWS]

Welcome to the Hype BTW. I like your username because it means we may both share the same movie as our favorite film.

co2 - Is my name that transparent? Greatest film EVER!!!!

But in reference to your comment, you actually don't have that option because TIH wipes out the Hulk continuity. I wish they would have done it in a fashion you suggest..where it wouldn't refer to Hulk '03 so it could be a non-sequel, but for those that prefer, it can also be thought of as a sequel. I think that would have been a better approach rather than showing brief glimpses of an origin that never gets fleshed out properly.

How does the film refer to the 03 film other then it starts off in Brazil??

I think that if you area fan of the character at all you can watch this film without any questions. Thus the brief origin glimpses.

 

[Syncos]

Welcome to the Hype BTW. I like your username because it means we may both share the same movie as our favorite film.

But in reference to your comment, you actually don't have that option because TIH wipes out the Hulk continuity. I wish they would have done it in a fashion you suggest..where it wouldn't refer to Hulk '03 so it could be a non-sequel, but for those that prefer, it can also be thought of as a sequel. I think that would have been a better approach rather than showing brief glimpses of an origin that never gets fleshed out properly.

Between the shots at the beginning of the movie, and the explanation that Ross gave to Blonsky, there really shouldn't be any questions.

Banner was working on what he believed to be radiation resistance, but something went wrong (or right) and it turned into a living weapon, which the Army now wants to use and reproduce. During the accident, he changed into the hulk, and Betty got hurt. Since then, he's been living on the run.

What more do you need?

The movie gives enough queues for anyone who's paying attention to watch it with no problems as to what happened to banner.

 

[Arc-Light]

Welcome to the Hype BTW. I like your username because it means we may both share the same movie as our favorite film.

But in reference to your comment, you actually don't have that option because TIH wipes out the Hulk continuity. I wish they would have done it in a fashion you suggest..where it wouldn't refer to Hulk '03 so it could be a non-sequel, but for those that prefer, it can also be thought of as a sequel. I think that would have been a better approach rather than showing brief glimpses of an origin that never gets fleshed out properly.

How do you figure this, TIH had nothing in common with the 03' tragedy it was obvious TIH distanced itself from the 03' farce. Syncos and JAWS bring up good points, i would consider the 03' version a " what if " Hulk but not the true TIH. Don't get me wrong Ang Lee is a good director, he just wasn't the right one to do TIH.

 

[Cmill216]

She's an idiot who needs to learn how to listen.

That's gold.

 

[Beanjuice]

loved the flick, liked the other one.

but after watching IH, the question begged of my brain, was why was this movie positioned as a restart? I mean a simple rework of opening montage, as well as unseen background story could have easily been reworked to keep both new movies slightly in line. Things like 'The Hulk' ended in brazil, IC began in Brazil etc. A sequel, just with new actors, you know.

anyhow, that was my only question, and wasn't into searching through the entire forum. Good Flick

because the first movie sucked these

 

[co2]

How does the film refer to the 03 film other then it starts off in Brazil??

I think you may have misread something I wrote. I never said it references the '03 film.

 

[co2]

Between the shots at the beginning of the movie, and the explanation that Ross gave to Blonsky, there really shouldn't be any questions.

Banner was working on what he believed to be radiation resistance, but something went wrong (or right) and it turned into a living weapon, which the Army now wants to use and reproduce. During the accident, he changed into the hulk, and Betty got hurt. Since then, he's been living on the run.

What more do you need?

The movie gives enough queues for anyone who's paying attention to watch it with no problems as to what happened to banner.

So what is it that went wrong?

 

[rodhulk]

btw, I watched TIH with some girl from work and she never saw the first movie so she was completely confused with TIH's storyline. She kept asking me questions like how did he become the Hulk and what relationship does Betty and Gen. Ross have.

She must be blonde!

 

[rodhulk]

yea she was asking the questions DURING the movie not afterwards. She coulda just ****ing waited until it was explained.

Yep, blonde alright!

 

[JAWS]

So what is it that went wrong?

An Accidental Overdose of Gamma Radiation altered his body

 

[co2]

How do you figure this, TIH had nothing in common with the 03' tragedy it was obvious TIH distanced itself from the 03' farce. Syncos and JAWS bring up good points, i would consider the 03' version a " what if " Hulk but not the true TIH. Don't get me wrong Ang Lee is a good director, he just wasn't the right one to do TIH.

I think you and Jaws are misreading my comments. I know the movie had nothing in common with '03. That's my point.
I stated that I wished the movie had taken the approach of simply not referencing the '03 film, but then not performing a "re-origin" either. That way you have the new style, cast and direction of the film, but can also view it as a sequel if you like. Everyone is satisfied.