Why there will never be a better Batman than Keaton

[mister Lennon]

Goyer lame script??? If you want to see lame scripts and corny lines, go and see batman, batman returns, batman forever and batman and robin.

 

[Chris Wallace]

The problem for me is the wrong concept of the character in burton's mind. Bruce Wayne isnt a everyman who became a hero when he puts himself that suit. He is man with a 20 years old trainning , a perfect human peak specialist in many martial arts and fight kinds. Bale was that and it was showed. Keaton wasnt that and it wasnt showed.

I don't think the concept was necessarily wrong. Yes, Bruce Wayne/Batman is supposedly a specimen of human perfection. It's just that Burton was more focused on the psychological aspect rather than the physical. And mind you, this was many people's introduction to Batman. Prior to that, all they knew was the happy-go-lucky Caped Crusader. Of course, had they made the movie nowadays we wouldn't be having this discussion, b/c they would've hired an actor who wasn't physically fit for the part & subjected him to the workout from hell for 4 months.

 

[mister Lennon]

I think that its a problem of interpretion of the concept. I think that many fans, myself included, we think that the phsichal part is as important as the psychological part in the character.

And for my part, anything against tim burton and michael keaton. I think that burton is a visual genious in many movies, and keaton is a very good actor in very different roles, but i think that Burton had a different and wrong for me concept of the character and keaton was just wrong for the part.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Goyer lame script??? If you want to see lame scripts and corny lines, go and see batman, batman returns, batman forever and batman and robin.

I'm voicing my opinion. I know it's hard for you to believe, but voicing my opinion doesn't mean I'm attacking those who like BB, or that I'm trying to pick a fight. So please stop acting like I am.

Goyer's script had all of the right stuff in it, but the guy can't write lines to save his life. Half of them sounded pre-written. It doesn't help that some of them were delivered all wrong.

And another thing, telling me how 'wrong' I am isn't going to make me change my opinion, so save your breath.

 

[mister Lennon]

I'm voicing my opinion. I know it's hard for you to believe, but voicing my opinion doesn't mean I'm attacking those who like BB, or that I'm trying to pick a fight. So please stop acting like I am.

Goyer's script had all of the right stuff in it, but the guy can't write lines to save his life. Half of them sounded pre-written. It doesn't help that some of them were delivered all wrong.

And another thing, telling me how 'wrong' I am isn't going to make me change my opinion, so save your breath.

About first line, i dont know where do you come from with that conclussion. I dont get it like an atack against batman begins and the people who liked it, only like it was, an atack against the script or some lines of the script.

About second line, i found goyer script not perfect, but very very good and faithful with the character and mithos, and with very good dialogue and lines in it, what its much more that i could say that the previous scripts in the previous movies, with tons of corny lines and cheesy dialogue.

And about third line, its a draw.Your lines wont change my mind in any way.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Goyer lame script??? If you want to see lame scripts and corny lines, go and see batman, batman returns, batman forever and batman and robin.

Batman Returns has a superb, multi-layered script. Batman Forever has a great script as well.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Batman Returns has a superb, multi-layered script. Batman Forever has a great script as well.

For my money, B89 has a great script as well. If Goyer, a comic scribe gets praise for BB (Which I found under par, save the last scene), Sam Hamm (another Batman scribe) deserves credit, too.

 

[mister Lennon]

Batman Returns has a superb, multi-layered script. Batman Forever has a great script as well.

Many and many dialogue and lines from both returns and forever were absolute crap and non sense.

 

[mister Lennon]

More developed argument. Many penguin lines, scene between selina, max and bruce in shreck room, etc were crap.

In forever, many batman dialogue, riddler dialogue, two face dialogue, chase dialogue, alfred one lines, etc, were crap.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I think that its a problem of interpretion of the concept. I think that many fans, myself included, we think that the phsichal part is as important as the psychological part in the character.

And for my part, anything against tim burton and michael keaton. I think that burton is a visual genious in many movies, and keaton is a very good actor in very different roles, but i think that Burton had a different and wrong for me concept of the character and keaton was just wrong for the part.

Okay, tell me why when I came to this thread you were getting flamed so badly. I only have issues w/posters who are intolerant and/or unreceptive to opposing points of view. I am now under the impression that you are not one of those people.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

More developed argument. Many penguin lines, scene between selina, max and bruce in shreck room, etc were crap.

In forever, many batman dialogue, riddler dialogue, two face dialogue, chase dialogue, alfred one lines, etc, were crap.

Sucks that you feel that way, but at least that's a list of what you find wrong with the stuff instead of just saying "Burton/Keaton suck".

 

[DocLathropBrown]

And for my part, anything against tim burton and michael keaton. I think that burton is a visual genious in many movies, and keaton is a very good actor in very different roles, but i think that Burton had a different and wrong for me concept of the character and keaton was just wrong for the part.

Now, see... that's a reasonable and fair post. If you always posted like this, there wouldn't have been any problem.

 

[mister Lennon]

Okay, tell me why when I came to this thread you were getting flamed so badly. I only have issues w/posters who are intolerant and/or unreceptive to opposing points of view. I am now under the impression that you are not one of those people.

Go and tell it to those people. I have tried many times but i failed again and again.

 

[Chris Wallace]

And BTW, Bale also played Bruce as a man out of his element, except when he was Batman. He just did it to somewhat a lesser extreme than Keaton.
"I don't care about my name."
"if I had my way I'd pull the whole thing down, brick by brick."
"Your true face is the one the criminals now fear."

 

[mister Lennon]

Yes, i guess that bruce wayne have to be a man out of his element, but in think that keaton performance was too extreme in this aspect , as you have said. Bale have it, but he also have the play boy stuff, going to parties, being with many women, being arrogant, etc. For me, it was the first time that i was watching the true bruce wayne on screen. Keaton was more michael keaton playing some kind of bruce wayne aspect and in an extreme way.

 

[Chris Wallace]

But you gotta be fair, dude. Everybody likes a character for different reasons, & a filmmaker is always likely to play up certain aspects & downplay others. I've had this debate regarding the Spider-Man movies more times than I care to count. It doesn't mean that the characterization of Bruce was necessarily wrong, just that you saw too much of one side & not enough (for your liking) of others.

 

[El Payaso]

DocLathrop, Chris Wallace, please don't feed the trolls. They get reproduced by any typed idea.

 

[Bathead]

We all have our favorite versions, nothing wrong with that, But I can't help but feel that an absolute statement such as the title of this thread is pretty narrow-minded. It's coming off more a statement of fact than what it is, which is someone's opinion.
I would have no problem with it though, if you added the words "to me." at the end.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Fair enough.

 

[Palpadious]

Many and many dialogue and lines from both returns and forever were absolute crap and non sense.

In defense of Batman Returns,

"It's not who I am on the inside. It's what I DO that defines me"

"Nice Coat"

You can crap all over Forever. It was balls.

 

[fabman]

the batman begins script is better than the returns one, i think... i'll explain my point of view when i have time...

 

[El Payaso]

In defense of Batman Returns,

"It's not who I am on the inside. It's what I DO that defines me"

"Nice Coat"

My favourite ones are: "I gotta get one of those", "Dr. Crane is not here right now" and both Batman's and GHordon's "Sorry" / "Excuse me". They all ruined good scenes.

You can crap all over Forever. It was balls.

But "Joygasm!" redeems

 

[fabman]

lol

i don't think those lines ruined good scenes... 'i gotta get one of those', c'mon, i mean, they need to put some oneliners in that movie... to bring some humour and irony to the whole thing...

 

[El Payaso]

lol

i don't think those lines ruined good scenes... 'i gotta get one of those', c'mon, i mean, they need to put some oneliners in that movie... to bring some humour and irony to the whole thing...

Man, they do not need to put one-liners. They do just because of following a formula, because 'it is supposed to' be like that.
Now, if they want to bring some humour and irony then they should use funny and ironic one-liners, but usually - not only in BB case - they put some really crappy ones that cause nauseas instead of laughter.

 

[GreenKToo]

while I think B.B. was a better film,I liked keaton's performance as batman/bruce wayne better