The Dark Knight Rises Why Would Nolan Make A Batman That Is Outta the Rest of the Superheroverse

[MadVillainy]

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Even tho TDK was excellent....no im serious...superb
but it pisses me off that Nolan's Bat isnt in the superheroverse. Cuz now in order to have a JL movie they would need a different Batman

Understandably cuz Nolan bat is realistic, but still

 

[CFE]

Because it works better now to have Batman in his own world then to have him in a world inhabited by the other heroes.

 

[TimidationGame]

There are those that he could run in to and not pose a big problem like Green Arrow.

 

[MadVillainy]

^^^ya i guess superheroes without powers or magic
like Green Arrow, Wild Cat

and @ COMICFILMEXPERT
can you elaborate how it works better?
I think it's odd to make a superhero movie and have one hero. Im not an expert on Batman comics but isnt batman in a world that has more then one hero

 

[CFE]

How does a "Batman" movie whose sole heroic focus is Batman work better?

Because it does.

The Previous franchise got so much flack for putting a larger emphasis on the villains than Batman...wouldn't we have the same problem throwing Wally, Clark, Diana and Hal in their to?

When it comes to Nolan's Batman...it's just Batman...Bruce. This is his coming-of-legend story.

Would having little bits a la "Superman Returns" of making mention be neat? Absolutely.
Is it necessary? Not at all.

I'd personally prefer Nolan to continue on the path of making intelligent, thought out and multi-layered Batman films with the right amount of mature depth, slight cornball astheatic (it's there, even in "TDK"), dry wit and pitch perfect character...then to have those films resort to "comic nods" and "cameos" and anything of that nature.

Honestly, look at the number of refs made in "Daredevil." Those were purposely used to attempt to distract from the fact that there's virtually no plot in that film...nothing. There are seqeunces weakly strung together, but that doesn't equal plot.

Besides, keeping Batman in his own mythology ("TDK," Batman '89) as opposed to attempting to put him in a larger DCU ("This is why Superman works alone...") seems to get the job done in a far superior and more financially profitable manner.

 

[hatebox]

?????????
Even tho TDK was excellent....no im serious...superb
but it pisses me off that Nolan's Bat isnt in the superheroverse. Cuz now in order to have a JL movie they would need a different Batman

Understandably cuz Nolan bat is realistic, but still

Please don't post here again.

 

[Bathead]

Please don't post here again.

He's allowed to post here regardless of his opinion if he wants to. Who are you, the thought police?

 

[gwynplaine]

How does a "Batman" movie whose sole heroic focus is Batman work better?

Because it does.

The Previous franchise got so much flack for putting a larger emphasis on the villains than Batman...wouldn't we have the same problem throwing Wally, Clark, Diana and Hal in their to?

When it comes to Nolan's Batman...it's just Batman...Bruce. This is his coming-of-legend story.

Would having little bits a la "Superman Returns" of making mention be neat? Absolutely.
Is it necessary? Not at all.

I'd personally prefer Nolan to continue on the path of making intelligent, thought out and multi-layered Batman films with the right amount of mature depth, slight cornball astheatic (it's there, even in "TDK"), dry wit and pitch perfect character...then to have those films resort to "comic nods" and "cameos" and anything of that nature.

Honestly, look at the number of refs made in "Daredevil." Those were purposely used to attempt to distract from the fact that there's virtually no plot in that film...nothing. There are seqeunces weakly strung together, but that doesn't equal plot.

Besides, keeping Batman in his own mythology ("TDK," Batman '89) as opposed to attempting to put him in a larger DCU ("This is why Superman works alone...") seems to get the job done in a far superior and more financially profitable manner.

Good post.

 

[MadVillainy]

lol i made Hatebox mad
lmao prolly some loser with anger issues


back OT: ComicExpert you do make alot of good points

 

[Morg]

Please don't post here again.

You sure are not the board owner or a mod so keep that comment to yourself

 

[The Guard]

At this point, I just feel this issue is irrelevant. There's no need to have other heroes mentioned. If they mentioned the fictional city of "Metropolis" in a Nolan Batman film, I wouldn't bat an eye, because let's face it, "Gotham" is also a fictional city.

And pretending the franchise and any realism it has would fall apart if "Superman" was mentioned, though...that's just stupid. But there's no real reason to name drop.

 

[CFE]

Well it's not a matter of the franchise falling apart. I know it wouldn't.

But at this point, after two films...why would there be a need to suddenly dump Nolan's Batman into the DCU now?

If they felt that way about the situation, they would've done something about it in "Begins."

 

[[A]]

?????????
Even tho TDK was excellent....no im serious...superb
but it pisses me off that Nolan's Bat isnt in the superheroverse. Cuz now in order to have a JL movie they would need a different Batman

Understandably cuz Nolan bat is realistic, but still

I can see a Nolanverse populated with vigilantes.. like The Punisher or even Green Arrow. There's this other guy.. he wears a black mask and a coat--can't remember his name. Well, him too. Not superpowered beings, though.



*I know it's a Marvel character--no need to make pointless explanations

 

[Anubis]

Well, when they made begins, they couldn't even concive of a cohesive movieverse. Now they actually can. And all it would take is something as simple as a mention. A line like, some GCPD cop saying something like, "Why can't we have a freak like that guy in Metropolis?" Or something. Not exactly asking for Supes to show up and slap the Riddler around.

As it stands right now, there is nothing keeping them from establishing a greater DCU within the current crop of Batman films. They've already got low level super science with most of the Bat's gadgets. Not that huge of a leap to magic rings and Martian Manhunters.

 

[GregComicFan]

What Nolan is doing works, so I wouldnt want it changed.

I read the recent interview Nolan finally did, where he explains why Batman doesn't exist with other superheroes, and I really liked his idea that Bruce becoming Batman is a wholly original idea, and the existence of other superheroes only makes Bruce's idea to wear a mask less original and less daring. Could Green Arrow show up in a Nolan movie? Sure.... but I do think Nolan's vision would be somewhat hurt by Superman showing up......

the one cool thing though is that Nolan has created such a realistic Batman/Gotham that if Superman did show up, he truly would seem like an intimidating God-like entity and that's an impression the Superman movies cant or sometimes seem to have trouble pulling off. lol.

 

[Anubis]

Or you could simply say he's the first to show up. And then he's an innovator.

I really don't understand the resistance. Do you people hate imagination or something?

 

[[A]]

Or visionary. They use that word a lot lately.

 

[CFE]

Or you could simply say he's the first to show up. And then he's an innovator.

I really don't understand the resistance. Do you people hate imagination or something?

What resistance? Resistance to a Live Action DCU series of films?

Not at all...I love the idea...

What I wouldn't want is for Nolan's proposed trilogy to be compromised just for the sake of tagging on the existence of Superman or Wonder Woman...

Also, I think people are forgetting Bale's outspoken resentment towards not only the inclusion of Robin or other Gotham Knights...but also to the idea of his personal take on Batman being paired up with other heroes, which he finds would necessitate his having to give a lighter performance as Batman than what he's both done and what he prefers to do.

While Routh expressed interest in the idea of pairing up with Christian for a "World's Finest" film, Bale has made it quite clear that he likes what Nolan has done by making Batman the haunted and vigilant loner (in every sense of the title).

So in that regard, since this thread is discussing Nolan's take on the character not being a part of a potential DCU, Bale wouldn't want it in the first place.

That...paired with the obvious fact that Nolan is just focusing on Batman with his films...pretty much gives you your answer right now.

Christopher Nolan's Batman will never be a part of a potential live action "DCU." Let Nolan finish his series of films...then wait a few years while the individual based films for 'Superman,' 'Flash,' 'Wonder Woman' and 'Green Lantern' are introduced. Then, start off a brand new 'Batman' that fits into those...and finally you'll have your 'JL' Movie.

It's either that or have two different actors portraying Batman at the same time...which, despite being a concept I CAN wrap my head around easily enough, still sounds like a dumb idea.

 

[The Guard]

Anyone think it's ridiculous to call a potential JLA Batman "Nolan's Batman" (short of the actor in the suit and the designs of the suit and vehicles), as if the elements of Nolan's Batman would somehow not carry over into the JLA universe? What elements does Nolan's Batman have that the regular DCU Batman does not?

 

[Ronny Shade]

This batman only works if there are no more powerful superheroes before him.

 

[Anubis]

That's a buncha bulls**t. 70 some odd years of comics says otherwise.

 

[Ronny Shade]

THIS batman. The way he was portrayed by Nolan.

This Batman is doing what he does because nobody else can or will. If Superman was around that wouldn't be true

 

[The Guard]

I read the recent interview Nolan finally did, where he explains why Batman doesn't exist with other superheroes, and I really liked his idea that Bruce becoming Batman is a wholly original idea, and the existence of other superheroes only makes Bruce's idea to wear a mask less original and less daring.

It's an easy fix. Just have Batman be the first of them. Problem solved. It's not like the concept of masked vigilantes or vigilantes or freedom fighters is "original". Becoming a bat-themed one, on the other hand...

 

[Ronny Shade]

It's an easy fix. Just have Batman be the first of them. Problem solved. It's not like the concept of masked vigilantes or vigilantes or freedom fighters is "original". Becoming a bat-themed one, on the other hand...

That is an easy fix.

The problem is you lose the Superman inspired everybody bit, which I always liked.

Only difference is Batman inspired them. Which is fine.

 

[Anubis]

If Superman were around, he'd be saving the world from giant meteors and stuff, not beating up muggers in Gotham.