Wiccan and Speed's family tree

[Roy Harper]

I agree with that fact that Speed is cool.

 

[Artistsean]

Oh, I don't know who the "image not available" next to Kang is for, but as far as I know, the Scarlet Centurion didn't have a mother, he was genetically engineered by Kang.

If I'm bugging you with all the additions and clarifications, let me know and I'll stop.

OH REALLY?
I fixed it.

 

[Zoken]

I really have to repeat... Valeria's father was Doom. She came from an alternate future, changed stuff, then reverted to the womb... right?

 

[deemar325]

What!!? Valeria!?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I really have to repeat... Valeria's father was Doom. She came from an alternate future, changed stuff, then reverted to the womb... right?

Are you sure that wasn't just the alternate teen Valeria's deal? I thought the current Valeria was Reed and Sue's daughter, and Doom was only responsible for helping with complications during the pregnancy.

 

[deemar325]

I'm all kinds of confused now.

This is getting DC level mixed up now.

 

[BrianWilly]

It depends on how far you wanna take this whole "blood relation" thing.

Technically, Valeria was a child that Sue miscarried, but was saved by Franklin's powers and wisked to an alternate future where she was raised by Dr. Doom. And then, to stop Abraxas, she merged her powers with Franklin's and then, uh, turned into a fetus in Sue's womb again.

Yeah, I know.

 

[deemar325]

Brain exploded!!!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It depends on how far you wanna take this whole "blood relation" thing.

Technically, Valeria was a child that Sue miscarried, but was saved by Franklin's powers and wisked to an alternate future where she was raised by Dr. Doom. And then, to stop Abraxas, she merged her powers with Franklin's and then, uh, turned into a fetus in Sue's womb again.

Yeah, I know.

Either way, she's still the biological daughter of Reed and Sue. Being raised by a guy doesn't make him your father in any kind of family tree.

Speaking of which, shouldn't Hyperstorm be up there? Evil, super-powerful son of Franklin Richards and Rachel Summers (I think) in an alternate future where Nathaniel Richards becomes, for lack of a better term, a time-traveling hobo in search of help to stop his great-grandson?

 

[KevanG]

I'm all kinds of confused now.

This is getting DC level mixed up now.

Now it's getting Pre-CoIE confusing

 

[deemar325]

Don't superheroes have children like normal people?

 

[KevanG]

Don't superheroes have children like normal people?

They used to, but they kept getting kidnapped, aged or cloned. Now they just have kids using insane and mind-bending plot holes.

 

[BrianWilly]

But the thing is, it's not really clear if the Sue Storm of the alternate reality literally gave birth to Valeria as well or if she just all of a sudden appeared in their house out of the blue. If she did literally give birth to Valeria and it wasn't a virgin birth or something, then Doom is also the father of Valeria since there's got to be a father even in this alternate future.

 

[deemar325]

Your killing me.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Speaking of which, shouldn't Hyperstorm be up there? Evil, super-powerful son of Franklin Richards and Rachel Summers (I think) in an alternate future where Nathaniel Richards becomes, for lack of a better term, a time-traveling hobo in search of help to stop his great-grandson?

Then would we have to include the entire Summers/Grey family tree

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah. I tried to include a small portion of it, starting with Scott and Jean and ending with Rachel and Franklin's son Hyperstorm, but then I thought about it and I realized I'd have to include Cable, Genesis, Jenskot, X-Man, Madelyne Pryor, Mr. Sinister, the Askani, Stryfe, and probably others along with them, and my head exploded.

 

[BrianWilly]

And Vulcan.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Havok, Vulcan, Corsair.... Just dont do it

 

[TheCorpulent1]

And Vulcan.

Vulcan's only there if you go back a generation and include Corsair, the Grey parents, Sara Grey, and Havok.

Seriously though, you don't even want to know how tangled everything got in the Cyke/Jean/Maddie offspring when I started trying to trace whose genetic material was used to clone whom and through whose machinations they were cloned on top of the natural births... it will haunt my dreams.

 

[KevanG]

But the thing is, it's not really clear if the Sue Storm of the alternate reality literally gave birth to Valeria as well or if she just all of a sudden appeared in their house out of the blue. If she did literally give birth to Valeria and it wasn't a virgin birth or something, then Doom is also the father of Valeria since there's got to be a father even in this alternate future.

Well we know it wasn't a virgin birth becuase she gave birth to Franklin.

 

[Artistsean]

So is Vulcan the third Summer's child?
Is he Cyclops' and Havok's brother?

Also I didn't include Hyperstorm because he is an alternate reality child. I didn't include the alternate reality children because they are in different universes. I only included characters from this universe, ones who could all be at the family reunion.
Imagin it, all these characters at a family reunion in the Avenger's Mansion.

Also it would clutter up the family tree, with the summer's kids, Nightcrawler's daughter, the alternate FF children, Johnny's Skrull child, the alternate Inhumans children, and so on and so on and so on.

The tree would be way to huge to post.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Vulcan is the third Summers brother. Read Deadly Genesis

 

[Kevin]

i said it once and i'll say it again, the marvel universe is a ****E. a ****E with yeast infections and Herpes

 

[TheCorpulent1]

So is Vulcan the third Summer's child?
Is he Cyclops' and Havok's brother?

Also I didn't include Hyperstorm because he is an alternate reality child. I didn't include the alternate reality children because they are in different universes. I only included characters from this universe, ones who could all be at the family reunion.
Imagin it, all these characters at a family reunion in the Avenger's Mansion.

Also it would clutter up the family tree, with the summer's kids, Nightcrawler's daughter, the alternate FF children, Johnny's Skrull child, the alternate Inhumans children, and so on and so on and so on.

The tree would be way to huge to post.

Valeria's technically an alternate reality child, it seems.

 

[Artistsean]

Not really, at first she was. She came from an alternate future it would seem. But then during a conflict she merged with Franklin and remade Galactus, and then regressed back to the womb where she was then born into the regular universe.
Currently she is a tiny little girl, younger than Franklin. And since they kept her around, I think she is no longer an alternate reality child.