Will Marvel ever make another non-Paramount film again?

[Mr. Magoo]

I was thinking about this the other day. After the slew of 2007 movies comes out (Ghost Rider, Spidey 3 and FF2), and the movies in the works for 2008 and beyond are either released or dumped (Incredible Hulk, Wolverine, FF3, possibly Magneto), will Marvel ever make a new movie outside of their Paramount deal? Which characters are left at other studios?

Here's a list that I think is accurate of the properties at other studios (besides for the ones I already mentioned):

Fox - New Mutants, Daredevil 2
Universal - Prime, Sub-Mariner
Dimension - Werewolf By Night
Sony - Luke Cage
??? - Mort the Dead Teenager


What do you think, will any of those end up being made where they are right now? I know that Marvel was trying to get Sub-Mariner made at Universal, but that seems to have fallen through. Luke Cage seems to threaten to get off the ground every now and then, but nothing really substantial has happened with it yet. I'm not sure they even have a script, or a cast. So do we think that no new Marvel characters are gonna be picked up by studios besides for Paramount? Does it depend on certain conditions? I'd be interested in hearing other people's thoughts on the matter.

 

[hippie_hunter]

20th Century Fox - Fantastic Four and the Silver Surfer, Magneto, Silver Surfer, Wolverine

*posesses the rights to Daredevil, Elektra

Columbia Studios - Ghost Rider, Luke Cage, Spider-Man 3

*posesses the rights to the Gargoyle, Killraven, Men in Black

Crystal Sky Studios - Werewolf by Night

Dimension Studios - Werewolf by Night (distribution)

Lion's Gate Films - Dr. Strange (animated), Hulk (animated), Iron Man (animated), Punisher: War Journal, Ultimate Avengers 2 (animated)

*posesses the rights to Black Widow, Iron Fist, Man-Thing

Marvel Studios - Ant-Man, Avengers, Black Panther, Captain America, Cloak and Dagger, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, the Incredible Hulk, Iron Man, Nick Fury, Power Pack, Shang-Chi, Thor

New Line Cinema -

*posesses the rights to Blade, the Nightstalkers

Paramount Studios - Deathlok

Universal Studios - Namor the Sub-Mariner

*posesses the rights to Powers, Prime

Unknown - Dazzler, Deadpool, Longshot, Morbius, Mort the Dead Teenager

 

[hippie_hunter]

My guess is that if Marvel is successful with their first batch of movies, they will no longer sell the rights to their characters. Why would they?

 

[Mr. Magoo]

Well I'm not saying they should, just asking if you think they ever will. I think that them being successful enough to independently produce their own films is a good thing. But the ones that other studios already own but that aren't in development, like Luke Cage, Killraven, Sub-Mariner: do you think those studios will ever actually make those movies or do you think they'll all just end up going back to Marvel?

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I agree with hippie hunter

 

[Lex Luthor]

I also have to say I agree with the Hippie Hunter.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well I'm not saying they should, just asking if you think they ever will. I think that them being successful enough to independently produce their own films is a good thing. But the ones that other studios already own but that aren't in development, like Luke Cage, Killraven, Sub-Mariner: do you think those studios will ever actually make those movies or do you think they'll all just end up going back to Marvel?

I think some will and some won't.

I think that Columbia will end up making Luke Cage. That Universal will make Namor. That 20th Century Fox will make the Silver Surfer.

Some of the movies such as Killraven, the Gargoyle, and the movies that were once part of the Artisan deal will end up going back to Marvel and never be heard of again. Honestly, there is basically no demand for any of those movies with Deadpool being an exception. However they are making movies based on characters such as the Power Pack, Cloak & Dagger, and others

I think that Marvel will end up taking Black Widow and instead of delaying development further, they'll just take all the work that Hayter did and release it as quickly as possible yet with a good job (unlike 20th Century Fox did for X-Men: the Last Stand) like they are doing with Iron Man and the Incredible Hulk.

I don't think that Marvel will sell anymore movie rights if their movies are a success. What would be the point when a bigger profit can be made by making them yourselves? The only rights I can see them selling would be the rights to Iron Fist and other Heroes for Hire to Sony if the rights for Luke Cage don't expire.

 

[Mr. Magoo]

I don't think that Marvel will sell anymore movie rights if their movies are a success. What would be the point when a bigger profit can be made by making them yourselves? The only rights I can see them selling would be the rights to Iron Fist and other Heroes for Hire to Sony if the rights for Luke Cage don't expire.

I'm not saying they should. Also, I don't think they would sell new properties to other movie studios, just asking about the ones that already belong to those studios.

Like you, I think some will and some won't (I did vote "no" on the poll, so I don't get what people mean when they're saying they agree with you but not with me). Luke Cage is probably the most likely to be made. A Silver Surfer spin-off, maaaaybe. Sub-Mariner is popular among fanboys, and could potentially make a lot of money, but it'd cost so much money that I don't think it will end up being made for Universal unless the Incredible Hulk does really well for them. The other ones probably won't be made until Marvel gets the rights back, although last I heard there was a screenwriter attached to Killraven, so who knows.

I also agree with you about the Iron Fist thing. If they launch a franchise for Luke Cage at Sony, those two should be available for crossovers.

 

[Sabretooth]

What for? Now they can have full control over their films.

 

[Mr. Magoo]

What for? Now they can have full control over their films.

What for what? I'm not sure we understand one another.

Why should they sell Iron Fist to Sony, you mean? Because I think most fans would like to see Iron Fist and Luke Cage team up some time. As for the other ones, there is no why. Marvel has no control over whether or not the studios in control of their properties make them into films or not. I was just wondering, do you think it will happen? After Ghost Rider I have a hard time seeing many new properties being developed. Most of the good ones have either been made or are owned by Marvel.

 

[DACrowe]

Well I think maybe down the line they can find another distributor but until the superhero genre goes bust (and the way that they are oversaturating the market since 2 years ago....it will go bust I figure in a few years) they are at Paramount.

They can make the movies now how they want without studio interference. Sure the studio can be overall supportive (SM2) but sometiems not. The difference between interference and not? Watch DD and then watch DD DC and you'll see what I mean. Watch X2 where Singer called most of the shots, including in the editing room (he and Rothman hate each other) and then watch X3, which was basically the studio committee-made film.

Marvel hopes not to have to worry about seeing another FF or X3 done to their characters and make it to their liking. However, the cookies have already been sold and the left overs aren't as appealing to mass audiences in my opinion. Iron Man stands a big chance of being a hit in my opinion. But after the failure of Hulk 1, the sequel will be regulated to the status of something of a Jurassic Park III or kinda' how FF2 is being ignored in summer hype for next year when it opens in the breath of SM3, Shrek 3, POTC3 and HP5.

And let's be honest, who in their right mind would think Ant-Man is going to succeed? That sounds like a flop and a bomb written all over it. I myself am wondering about Cap America if and when it gets made, because that is a wild card for domestic (I'm going to guess it won't do well internationally).

Another factor is funding, Marvel now funds its own movies and can't afford the $200 million affronted for SM2, X3 or close to $300 million for SM3 (which is insane). Expect smaller budgets. And I just don't know if Marvel will stay in the business for long. I think Iron Man will make or break "Marvel Studios."

We'll see though.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I'm not saying they should. Also, I don't think they would sell new properties to other movie studios, just asking about the ones that already belong to those studios.

The rights for characters in the Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four will never expire on account that Sony and 20th Century Fox will never stop making movies based on those characters. Personally I think this sucks. 20th Century Fox is raping their franchises and I would really like to see Spider-Man in the Avengers film (maybe Marvel Studios can work with Columbia, studios have worked with other studios before).

I don't see the rights for characters such as Luke Cage to go soon. I think that Sony will end up making the Luke Cage movie.

The rights for characters in the Daredevil, Black Widow, Man-Thing, and Iron Fist will definetly expire before a movie is made. The studios have basically confirmed inactivity on those projects. It's only a matter of time before the rights expire. I think that Daredevil 2 and Black Widow will end up getting made by Marvel and that Marvel will give Sony the rights of Iron Fist to Sony only because they have the rights to Luke Cage.

For Namor the Sub-Mariner, I predict that Marvel will negotiate with Universal and end up making the movie themselves with Universal distributing it in a similar deal with the Incredible Hulk if the inactivity on that movie continues.

The rights for characters in the Killraven, the Gargoyle, and those that were part of the Artisan deal will expire or already have expired and never be heard from again.

 

[Chris Wallace]

They will do whatever they find most profitable.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Marvel need to realise that the superhero movie craze will not last forever. Even Hammer didn't just make horror films.

 

[FVD]

Mostly what I'm really looking forward to is the Kingpin being released from Fox's grasp so we can see him appear in other movies. I'd love to see him in either a Spider-Man or Punisher film.

 

[3dman27]

Marvel need to realise that the superhero movie craze will not last forever. Even Hammer didn't just make horror films.

they didn't?

 

[Chris Wallace]

Mostly what I'm really looking forward to is the Kingpin being released from Fox's grasp so we can see him appear in other movies. I'd love to see him in either a Spider-Man or Punisher film.

Not Spidey. Maybe Punisher.
Not that it has a lot to do with the topic of this thread.

 

[Chaos Bringer]

Marvel need to realise that the superhero movie craze will not last forever. Even Hammer didn't just make horror films.

Really?
Because I feel what has to happen is to crossover from the books to comics. As if to make the last chapter of Civil War to only be shown in theaters and not as an issue wouldn't be the coolest thing ever? Just an example.

But the best thing Marvel could do would be to fire Zak Penn and start using Millar or one of their other stars to do the scripts. As if 12 issues a year that are actually functional storyboards isn't obvious enough.

why is Avi so lost?
any Psychs post here?

 

[Chris Wallace]

Really?
Because I feel what has to happen is to crossover from the books to comics. As if to make the last chapter of Civil War to only be shown in theaters and not as an issue wouldn't be the coolest thing ever? Just an example.

HELL, NO!
Not only is that a bad idea marketing wise (More people go to movies than read comics; it wouldn't go over w/the general audiences & they'd be lost.) it'd disrupt comic book storytelling AND, be very contradictory to the movies that already exist.
Plus, if they ever made a movie based on Civil War I think I'd bocott Marvel films altogether.

 

[Chaos Bringer]

opinions vary.