Iron Man Will they introduce "anti-american" elements in IM?

[WeaponXProject]

I hope they´ll add some. It would make the movie more enjoyable.
after all, tony is a capitalistic pig and who is interessted in watching a movie about a neo-con?

I am all for that actually, I'm tired of underlined elements in movies like V for Vendetta. IF there is anti-american propaganda in this it should be an antagonist's attitude and not the main character. SO what if Tony is a capitalist, proud, over-zealous, drunk...it makes him so different from every other comic book character.

 

[WeaponXProject]

I would also like to add that this movie almost has to have some relative America vs. the world aspect to it. It's easy to make us the theme of much jealousy and it pulls the audience together to have an american hero. Just like in Spidey 1 when the New Yorker's say "You mess with one of us, you mess with us all!" and begin throwing stuff at GG. Point is Iron Man will most likely be a tool to save America against the evils of other countries. He did so in the comics and he'll do it in the movies.

 

[hippie_hunter]

that scene of the flag almost made me vomit. Same with all the stupid patriotic stuff from other films. I hope Iron man introduce anti-war elements.

Hell no! Anti-war elements would be completely out of place for a character like Iron Man. This is a man who sells weapons to the military. This is a man who served as the Secretary of Defense. This is a man who leads the Superhuman Task Force. This is a man who is going to become the next head of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Characters like Iron Man and Captain America are more suited to stand next to a huge gigantic flag similar to the one in the Spider-Man movie than Spider-Man is.

 

[dawhistleblower]

hey all,

this is my first post here on the Iron Man boards, and I guess I have a strange question.

In his Q+A with fans, Favreau mentioned that IM will have a geopolitical theme to it.

But, do you think they will also introduce an "anti-american" or "anti-war" theme in this movie? That is, use the movie to make swipes at the pro-war, foreign policies of the Bush administration.

while I'm not an expert on Iron Man's history, from what I know, he is an industrialist, capitalist, weapons manufacturer. And, it seems, one could argue that Stark/Iron Man has more of a "conservative" leaning.

However, given that this is Hollywood, and given our current political climate, the Iraq war's unpopularity, etc.,.........do you think they will downplay that aspect of IM's character? Or else make Stark appear "foolish" or "in the wrong."

And, considering that Paltrow has been cast as Pepper Pots ( who's been described as Stark's "conscience" ), and since Paltrow has received heat in the past for making "anti-american" remarks, I hope that they will not use the Pepper Pots character to act as a "mouthpiece" for Paltrow's views.

perhaps I am over worrying.......it's just that I am conservative myself, and I find myself more and more interested in IM's movie.....moreso than other comic book franchises.

i dont think that IM would bash bush or the war... but i also dont think he is conservative at all... well... lets see.

there is what conservatives claim to be and there is what they are. So he is a conservative by the new standards since he is a drunken womanizer selling weapons to the highest bidder with little to no conscience of the innocent lives they may take. Often a self involved idiot that doesn't listen to counsel.

but even those qualities are IM at his best! When he has demons to fight.


but there was a day when that would NOT have made him a "conservative". So i guess it all depends on what definition you are going off of.

And why is saying that we are in a war for false reasons, under an administration of lies, sitting on our high horse of hypocrisy as an occupational force in a once sovereign country "anti-American"????

inst part of being American knowing when to have and use a voice that is not popular??? isn't being an American living in your liberties and speaking out against what you think is wrong? or is being American just agreeing with your opinion?

I think being American is accepting all opinions while voicing your own and listening to others.

 

[terry78]

^That kind of talk can get you blackballed.

 

[hippie_hunter]

i dont think that IM would bash bush or the war... but i also dont think he is conservative at all... well... lets see.

there is what conservatives claim to be and there is what they are. So he is a conservative by the new standards since he is a drunken womanizer selling weapons to the highest bidder with little to no conscience of the innocent lives they may take. Often a self involved idiot that doesn't listen to counsel.

but even those qualities are IM at his best! When he has demons to fight.


but there was a day when that would NOT have made him a "conservative". So i guess it all depends on what definition you are going off of.

And why is saying that we are in a war for false reasons, under an administration of lies, sitting on our high horse of hypocrisy as an occupational force in a once sovereign country "anti-American"????

inst part of being American knowing when to have and use a voice that is not popular??? isn't being an American living in your liberties and speaking out against what you think is wrong? or is being American just agreeing with your opinion?

I think being American is accepting all opinions while voicing your own and listening to others.

I see Tony Stark as a Republican. Considering that he is an arms dealer and his military connections, it's safe to assume that he's a person who supports a strong military and defense industry. As an industrialist, it's safe to assume the he would prefer to have government stay out of the economy's nose. He was designed as an anti-Communist hero.

I wouldn't call Iron Man a George W. Bush styled neo-con Republican, but I see him as somewhere down the line between a liberal Republican or a John McCain styled conservative Republican.

I see Captain America as an FDR styled Democrat.

 

[terry78]

Basically, Stark is a republican that would not blindly follow the administration if he felt they were doing something he wasn't cool with.

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

tony lets the govenment play with his toys on his terms, and takes them way when doesn't like how they play with them. tony has a god complex and only after he finds out that he is still a man does he see that he needs to be better then he his.


tony is howard hughes in a way.

 

[dawhistleblower]

^That kind of talk can get you blackballed.

you mean "black bagged"! that is what they do to people that dont agree with them! =)

 

[dawhistleblower]

I see Tony Stark as a Republican. Considering that he is an arms dealer and his military connections, it's safe to assume that he's a person who supports a strong military and defense industry. As an industrialist, it's safe to assume the he would prefer to have government stay out of the economy's nose. He was designed as an anti-Communist hero.

I wouldn't call Iron Man a George W. Bush styled neo-con Republican, but I see him as somewhere down the line between a liberal Republican or a John McCain styled conservative Republican.

I see Captain America as an FDR styled Democrat.

that is exactly what i was thinking... it all depends on your def. of a conservative.

 

[Sun_Down]

I see Tony Stark as a Republican. Considering that he is an arms dealer and his military connections, it's safe to assume that he's a person who supports a strong military and defense industry. As an industrialist, it's safe to assume the he would prefer to have government stay out of the economy's nose. He was designed as an anti-Communist hero.

I wouldn't call Iron Man a George W. Bush styled neo-con Republican, but I see him as somewhere down the line between a liberal Republican or a John McCain styled conservative Republican.

I see Captain America as an FDR styled Democrat.

That's the best explanation of these two characters I've ever come across.

Just because the GOP is currently lead by a very vocal group of neo-cons, doesn't mean that the whole party falls into the stereotype. .Although these days, John McCain is a bad example because his head's so far up Dubya's arse he can taste 25 year old blow.

 

[dawhistleblower]

Dubya's arse he can taste 25 year old blow.

you mean 25 HOUR OLD blow!!!!

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

The inherent problem in the question you're posing is in the assumption that "anti-war" and "anti-American" are synonymous terms.

You can be anti-war and love America. Like me.

You can also be anti-America and very pro-war.

It's the old saying, "hate your government and not your country." And it's what so many people today fail to realize.

 

[hippie_hunter]

That's the best explanation of these two characters I've ever come across.

Just because the GOP is currently lead by a very vocal group of neo-cons, doesn't mean that the whole party falls into the stereotype. .Although these days, John McCain is a bad example because his head's so far up Dubya's arse he can taste 25 year old blow.

I'm talking about pre-suck up McCain.