Comics Wolverine and the X-Men Trailer

[UraniaChang]

So?

Message delivered. It's a "Get the **** out of here, I need some time for myself, and knock first next time", and unfortunately, Wolverine can only get the message when it comes in the physical form.

 

[Hound89]

sure he could sit down and give him an emotional talk about how he has to put his emotions aside be man and lead the the gaurdians of their intire race in stead of sitign in the dark crying ....but what fun is that this is a cartoon after all

 

[The Weather God]

Apparently FOO Fighters is suing marvel for using their music in the trailer, which explains why the video is being taken down everywhere including the site that hosted it in the first place and probably why marvel hasn't displayed it on their official site.

Source: EOnline

 

[El Bastardo]

What a bunch of buzzkills.

 

[cerealkiller182]

damn, FF always seemed like cool guys too

 

[HandOfFate]

Sigh....while I under the reasoning behind the lawsuit, its still free publicity for the Foo Fighters. They could have easily used this to their advantage.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

damn, FF always seemed like cool guys too

You mean like crossing pickets lines during the writers' strike...?

 

[cerealkiller182]

You mean like crossing pickets lines during the writers' strike...?

Did they do that? I assume for a talk show?

edit-oh the grammys? big deal

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

edit-oh the grammys? big deal

Kind of a big deal, actually.

 

[The Weather God]

All the trailers is being taken down by youtube.

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by The Foo Fighters"

I hate when stuff like this happens...

 

[El Bastardo]

The Writers' Strike was stupid, actually. And stupidly executed. So big whoop.

People gave Bill Maher flack for continuing his contract with HBO and going on air to do his season of the show. He didn't have any writers on it, but like he said, there are more important things going on in the world than what's happening in Hollywood.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Kind of a big deal, actually.

No actually it isnt

Unfortunately life sucks, but it DOES go on.

The writers had plenty of support from every TV personality who went back to work before the strike ended I believe.

To get mad at MUSICIANS for performing on tv is a little ridiculous. If broadcasting companies continued writing shows without the writers then it would be a big deal.

But when it comes down to a band who has to either disrespect writers who have little to do with the music field or disrespect a group of people who have nominated the band for music excellence (cynicism for the awards itself) is no big deal.

 

[Harlekin]

What a bunch of buzzkills.

damn, FF always seemed like cool guys too

Are you guys sane? They have to sue. This is basic copyright infringement.

Sigh....while I under the reasoning behind the lawsuit, its still free publicity for the Foo Fighters. They could have easily used this to their advantage.

They'd have to get things squared with Marvel first anyway before they can. Otherwise, it'd set a precedent. Get everybody making trailers for profit with Foo Fighters music.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Are you guys sane? They have to sue. This is basic copyright infringement

They dont HAVE to do anything. It was a little clip in a commercial. They could have let it slide. If it was the new theme song I could see them sue

 

[El Bastardo]

While it's a stupid thing on Marvel's part - and if Marvel were smart, they'd merely disavow all knowledge and call it a fanmade thing with leaked cartoon footage, haha - the Fighters of Foo didn't have to do anything. I'm doubting Marvel got Soundgarden's permission to play 4th of July, at least, I think that was the song that was in the trailer before the Foo Fighters, but I don't hear Chris Cornell beating on the doors of Marvel for a cut.

Why? Well, one, because Chris Cornell is infinitely cooler than any member of the Foo Fighters, especially that stupid rehash that came from craptastic Nirvana. I kind of liked Dave Grohl. Then people go and do stupid things like this.

Like I said, I know it was stupid on Marvel's part. They probably shouldn't have done it. That said, the Foo Fighters could've gone "Well, it's not the entire song, and it's not like they're selling our music and making money off it, so no harm, no foul." They could have said to Marvel, "We're not mad at you, but we'd prefer if you took our music out of the trailer" if it was that much of a problem. They didn't. Thus, what they've done is uncool.

 

[Harlekin]

Wrong on all accounts. It's quite likely Marvel got Cornell's permission. Allowing someone to use your music to promote an item, without being licensed to use that music, sets a precedent. In other words: letting it slide gives anyone pretty much free game to use the Foo's music for promotion. Why? Because they can just say 'they let Marvel do it, so why stop me?'.

This isn't a matter of principle, it is a purely legal matter.

Letting it slide now would have invariably lead to some legal issues later on.

 

[El Bastardo]

Claiming that Marvel likely got Cornell's permission is an assumption, and grasping at straws. If we assume that Marvel got Cornell's permission, we must then assume that they asked the Foo Fighters, got rejected, and decided to put the song in anyway. And that makes Marvel's legal department and video production department, or whatever it's called, even more stupid than they already seem. And that's pretty darn stupid, and if they were that stupid, I doubt they'd have gotten to where they are now.

It might create a precedent by default, but that requires the assumption that DC, or Dark Horse, or IDW, or BOOM!, or Aspen, is going to do the same thing Marvel did. If it's outside the comics industry, then it's not a precedent, because it isn't the same circumstance. And if it DOES happen again, the argument that "Marvel did it, why come after me?" wouldn't hold a grain of salt.

I never said that it's not a purely legal matter, but again, other steps could have been taken. As it is, while Marvel's stupid for doing what they apparently did, the Foo Fighters come off the way Metallica did back with the beginning of the mp3 crap: and that is, incredibly lame.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Why would you assume they didnt get permission to use it? If Foo Fighters dont sue then I would assume they got the proper license

 

[El Bastardo]

Why would you assume they didnt get permission to use it? If Foo Fighters dont sue then I would assume they got the proper license

Was that to me?

I'm not assuming anything. It's clear Marvel didn't ask permission. It's what it's all about.

Foo Fighters do not have to sue. As I stated above, they could request a removal of the sampled audio from the trailer, as well as a public apology from Marvel for having used it without permission. That would be simple enough to do, require no spending of money, rightfully place blame, as well as be an overall cleaner mess for the public relations figures of both sides.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Was that to me?

I'm not assuming anything. It's clear Marvel didn't ask permission. It's what it's all about.

Foo Fighters do not have to sue. As I stated above, they could request a removal of the sampled audio from the trailer, as well as a public apology from Marvel for having used it without permission. That would be simple enough to do, require no spending of money, rightfully place blame, as well as be an overall cleaner mess for the public relations figures of both sides.

No,it was to Harlekin, my mouse wheel screwed up and i completely missed your post when I scrolled down. I wouldnt have posted if I saw your post.

 

[Harlekin]

Claiming that Marvel likely got Cornell's permission is an assumption, and grasping at straws. If we assume that Marvel got Cornell's permission, we must then assume that they asked the Foo Fighters, got rejected, and decided to put the song in anyway.

Correct. I misread and misinterpreted what you were saying.

And that makes Marvel's legal department and video production department, or whatever it's called, even more stupid than they already seem. And that's pretty darn stupid, and if they were that stupid, I doubt they'd have gotten to where they are now.

Dozens of top businesses make these kind of mistakes.

It might create a precedent by default, but that requires the assumption that DC, or Dark Horse, or IDW, or BOOM!, or Aspen, is going to do the same thing Marvel did. If it's outside the comics industry, then it's not a precedent, because it isn't the same circumstance. And if it DOES happen again, the argument that "Marvel did it, why come after me?" wouldn't hold a grain of salt.

Actually, it holds about a few tonnes of salt. That's the whole point of the copyright laws. If you do nothing about it, that's basically a 'yes' to everybody else that wants to make a profit of your work.

Also, this has nothing to do with the comics industry. It's about using somebody else's work to promote your own. In this case, it's about a cartoon. A company like Fox would catch the same flack.

Foo Fighters do not have to sue. As I stated above, they could request a removal of the sampled audio from the trailer, as well as a public apology from Marvel for having used it without permission. That would be simple enough to do, require no spending of money, rightfully place blame, as well as be an overall cleaner mess for the public relations figures of both sides.

Yeah, you're right in that. It's true that suing is not necessary, but legal action certainly is.

 

[El Bastardo]

And I never advocated against legal action. Formally requesting it to be removed by quoting copyright laws, and asking for a public acknowledgement and apology for their wrong doing, is legal action. It's just better sportsmanship than suing over the little slight.

I mean, again, I'm not saying that the Foo Fighters are wrong, or that Marvel's right. Everything FF is doing is perfectly legit and within their right to do. I just think it's really poor of them to do, and pretty lame and overboard and not needed to be done.

 

[DJSCARLET]

the foo fighters are freaking over about a three minute on-line commercial for a cartoon that used two very very small samples of their songs?
man, those music industries folks are anal as hell.

Okay, update folks. There are confirmed to be at least two Gambit episodes of the new animated series (Wolverine and the X-Men).

How do I know this? Well, I got to ask Stephen Blum (Wolverine) himself at Otakon anime convention!

He was very friendly about it and says that the new series is one of the best things he's worked on in a while, it's extremely well written.

hmm....somewhere out there, gambit fans are giddy as hell

 

[The Weather God]

Wolverine and the X-Men' Soundtrack interview

CC: WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN is another project you are working on, which is support to start airing on the BBC sometime this year. With the X-MEN having a pretty rich musical history already, what sort of challenge did that present you?

MICHAEL NIELSEN: When we came in the tone was already set by the lead composer, our good friend, DEAN GRINSFELDER. Again, they were going for full, movie music. They didn't want it to sound like a cartoon or tv-show at all. So there was already a sort of template set for the music, but we wanted to bring our own perspective to the music as well. The biggest challenge though was simply the amount of music which must be done. We have half-hour episodes that had close to 28 minutes of music. So each week we get episode after episode that is almost wall-to-wall music. It's just such a different mindset to have to score to picture

KAVEH COHEN: Yes...I'd have to agree. For any television projects I've been involved in, the volume of music needed in such a short period of time has always been the biggest challenge. Also it's a challenge to keep things fresh...especially for a show like X-Men, because it has such a heritage and such a huge fan-following. This show is great and very well written. There is a lot of action every week and that is a challenge too - to keep it fresh an exciting. It's very fun though because it's a totally different process. You end up writing music that you wouldn't have - had it not been for what you are seeing in the picture.

CC: Are you going a different direction, musically, from where the X-Men have been in the past?

MICHAEL NIELSEN: It's definitely a departure from where last animated series went. This is much more along the lines of the last three movies.

CC: How far along are you on the show?

KAVEH COHEN: We've done about 10 episodes but have another 16 to go!

Source: Tracksounds

Looks like the scores is going to be geared more toward the films which sounds cool.

Edit: They also haves some previews of the scores there, they sound pretty cool!

 

[cardslinger]

GAMBIT!!!
GIDDY AS HELL.
too bad I don't have cable of any kind.
Have any US channels picked this up anyway?