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Wow, I lost all respect for Gladiator...

From I remember, Gladiator was put put in the 100 strength class but like Juggernaut it was stated that his upper stregth level was unknown. I remember seeing him rip the Baxter building out of the ground by its foundation and I'm sure a skyscraper weighs much more than 100 tons. There's no way Hulk should have been able to two hit him. We've all seen Hulk fight the Thing and not be able to two hit K.O. him, the same goes for the Rhino, the Abomination and many others that weren't nearly as powerful or invulnerable as Gladiator. Horrible writing at its worst in that fight. :venom:
 
Back in the mid 90's they did the Master Edition handbook which categorized some qualities in ways that no handbook had before. The Hulk was stated there to be in the class 70 level at his base strength and to be able to reach the class 100 level if angry enough. The class above that was Immeasurable or Incalculable, I don't remember which. Several beings, including Gladiator, were in that strength class normally.
 
wasnt there an xmen issue where one of the newmutants dudes or was it xforce dude? beats him? that was pretty silly
 
this is one of my favorite covers

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wasnt there an xmen issue where one of the newmutants dudes or was it xforce dude? beats him? that was pretty silly

It was Cannonball, but like said before he didn't beat him. Cannonball turned on his aura or whatever that makes him blast off (and makes him invincible) the split second before Gladiator hit him with his strongest blow, and Cannonball survived. Gladiator couldn't believe it and felt a little doubt and Cannonball punched him seemingly knocking him out. The other X-Men congratulate him, but it turns out Gladiator wasn't knocked out and got right back up. So really Sam just knocked him into some rubble, he didn't really win he just celebrated too early.

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It was Cannonball, but like said before he didn't beat him. Cannonball turned on his aura or whatever that makes him blast off (and makes him invincible) the split second before Gladiator hit him with his strongest blow, and Cannonball survived. Gladiator couldn't believe it and felt a little doubt and Cannonball punched him seemingly knocking him out. The other X-Men congratulate him, but it turns out Gladiator wasn't knocked out and got right back up. So really Sam just knocked him into some rubble, he didn't really win he just celebrated too early.

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man, that brings back memories.

i remember when joe mad on uncanny was like, the it.
 
Has Gladiator ever tangled with Thor (or King Thor)? I'm interested to see how that fight would go.
Yes. Coincidentally, it was in this issue, which Majin Boo seems to have posted just for the hell of it:
this is one of my favorite covers

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This was Jurgens' early Thor, who transformed into basically a clone of Jake Olson (who shall henceforth be known as "Fake Olson") whenever he was away from Mjolnir for more than 60 seconds.

Zarrko pulled a future version of Gladiator into the present in an attempt to assassinate Thor before he could become King Thor (Jurgens was big on the foreshadowing at this point). Gladiator basically lays into Thor with no explanation and Thor struggles to defend himself and protect his alter-ego's girlfriend's daughter while repeatedly questioning why Gladiator's so intent on killing him. Gladiator ignores him and pretty much dominates the first part of the fight, and he ends up knocking Thor away from Mjolnir and into an ambulance. 60 seconds pass and Gladiator opens the ambulance to find Fake Olson unconscious. That could be counted as a win for Glads, but it's debatable.

Tarene shows up and tries to fight Gladiator but gets incapacitated when he throws a water tower on her and freezes its contents around her; but she buys Fake Olson enough time to wake up and transform back into Thor. Thor, tired of asking for answers and getting nothing but a thrashing in response, goes on the offensive. They make their way over to an airport runway, and their fight is interrupted by a landing plane. They call a truce to help the plane land (it went out of control after the pilot saw two dudes suddenly appear in his landing zone), and then Thor blasts Gladiator in a bit of a cheap shot. Gladiator recovers quickly, but Thor says he's gonna stop holding back and basically beats the unholy hell out of Glads. Then Tarene shows up again, pissed at how Glads humiliated her, and lets loose a blast that leaves Gladiator a weakened, blathering mess. They take him back to Odin and Odin, who also knows of Thor's future as King Thor, sends Gladiator back to his own time, claiming that it's not the place or the time to divulge that information to anyone yet.

A couple of factors to consider about the dynamics of this fight:

1) Thor is weakened by his stupid 60-second rule, which we all thought we were free from after Simonson did away with his Don Blake side, but Jurgens proved we were unfortunately mistaken about.

2) Gladiator was likely weakened by the fact that it was a future version from, apparently, way in the future. Thor comments that Glads looks markedly older than he remembered him, and I assume Thor doesn't admire Glads' features regularly, so the fact that he noticed the aging to be so profound says a lot.

3) Thor makes it pretty clear that he's holding back against Glads for most of the fight--the facts that he's protecting Jake Olson's girlfriend's brat, that he considers Glads an ally and is thus hesitant to fight him, and that he sticks to the defensive while questioning Glads' motives for a big part of the fight support this.

4) Tarene kept butting into this fight, so it's hard to say that Thor or Glads won definitively at any point. Glads seemed to win round 1, then Tarene screwed it all up, then Thor seemed to win round 2 before Tarene again screwed it all up.

So basically Glads and the real Thor have fought, but it was inconclusive in just about every respect.
 
So basically Glads and the real Thor have fought, but it was inconclusive in just about every respect.

How is it inconclusive when Thor said he was holding back? After he started getting serious he gave Gladiator an ass whipping. Gladiator is not in his league.
 
Back in the mid 90's they did the Master Edition handbook which categorized some qualities in ways that no handbook had before. The Hulk was stated there to be in the class 70 level at his base strength and to be able to reach the class 100 level if angry enough. The class above that was Immeasurable or Incalculable, I don't remember which. Several beings, including Gladiator, were in that strength class normally.

Yes but he is now portrayed as a normal class 100 which just gets stronger.

And that handbook also has him at 7' wheras he appears closer 9
 
How is it inconclusive when Thor said he was holding back? After he started getting serious he gave Gladiator an ass whipping. Gladiator is not in his league.
Because all of the circumstances influencing the fight one way or another--Thor turning back into a human because of the stupid 60-second rule, Tarene holding Glads off a couple of times, Glads' age possibly having some kind of effect on his powers--plus the fact that Glads and Thor have past feats that are all over the map, from extremely impressive to downright pathetic, makes me hesitant to say this is the be-all and end-all of Thor/Gladiator fights. I think Thor won, but I realize I'm biased because he's my favorite character; if I were analyzing it objectively, I'd say there's just too much other stuff going on for it to be considered conclusive.

And wow, I have put way too much thought into all of this. At work, no less. :o
 
Huh.

Super-heroes conveniently winning-losing for seemingly no reason at all.

I thought this happened all the time. :woot:

Hardly a shocker. *shrugs*
 
How is it inconclusive when Thor said he was holding back? After he started getting serious he gave Gladiator an ass whipping. Gladiator is not in his league.

You COULD look at it as Glads just smacked the living hell out of Thor, and watched him retreat, then find Thor coming back, basically unscathed, more powerful before, and that hurt his ego some.
 
Because all of the circumstances influencing the fight one way or another--Thor turning back into a human because of the stupid 60-second rule, Tarene holding Glads off a couple of times, Glads' age possibly having some kind of effect on his powers--plus the fact that Glads and Thor have past feats that are all over the map, from extremely impressive to downright pathetic, makes me hesitant to say this is the be-all and end-all of Thor/Gladiator fights. I think Thor won, but I realize I'm biased because he's my favorite character; if I were analyzing it objectively, I'd say there's just too much other stuff going on for it to be considered conclusive.

And wow, I have put way too much thought into all of this. At work, no less. :o

Unfortunately, this would be inconclusive. There are too many factors, and "Hammerette" or "Thor Girl" really derailed any sort of definitive possibility.
 
Because all of the circumstances influencing the fight one way or another--Thor turning back into a human because of the stupid 60-second rule, Tarene holding Glads off a couple of times, Glads' age possibly having some kind of effect on his powers--plus the fact that Glads and Thor have past feats that are all over the map, from extremely impressive to downright pathetic, makes me hesitant to say this is the be-all and end-all of Thor/Gladiator fights. I think Thor won, but I realize I'm biased because he's my favorite character; if I were analyzing it objectively, I'd say there's just too much other stuff going on for it to be considered conclusive.

And wow, I have put way too much thought into all of this. At work, no less. :o
Thor and Galadiator had another fight where they stalemated in a FF issue
 
As for this topic thread, I know its very old, but I still wanna say it. Hul ktrashed Galadiator only because Glads fell into a reactor which had his version of kryptonite in it while they were fighting. before that the fight was pretty even
 
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