Wrestling: The Action Soap Opera Thread - Part 14

[Superark]

Eh, it's not that I'm 100% convinced it's fake... it just seems a bit more drama filled now then what I remember, back when it was a bit more undergound. Then again, most professional sports are drama filled.

I guess it's just the hardcore "You still watch wrestling!? That stuffs gay man!!!" fanbase that really gets to me... To the point where, like it was said, I'd LOVE for it to get out that some things are scripted just to see those fans faces.

The UFC has always had some drama. It's just that the sport has gotten bigger that's all. As the sport gets bigger and makes more money, fighters are doing more the earn their share of the pie and make a name. Kos, Diaz, Mir are guys for example who have all said that they say certain things or amp it up to promote the fighter and get people interested. There's a lot of articles and MMA journalists who believe Dana White has modeled himself and his business off of Vince McMahon.

I recommend you checking out www.Bloodyelbow.com It's a fantastic site and it may help you appreciate MMA more.

I guess there's always hope that Sting WILL sign a Legends contract and get inducted into the HoF in the next few years. I mean, I totally expected this years HoF to be WCW themed as I'm sure others did as well.

Sting is every bit an icon (no pun intended) to the wrestling business as Taker, Flair or Hogan so he deserves to be in the HoF. I'd also throw money at Vince if he gave me a Taker vs Sting match at Mania. Yes, Taker is broke and sting is "old" but it would be on match that I wouldn't be watching based on "sweet ring skillz!"

Taker and Sting could both be wrestling in wheel chairs and it would be far more entertaining and believable than JR vs Michael Cole... or anything else Cole related.

Sting is never going to go to WWE. He has always had trust issues with how he'd be used. He's always had interest at points but he remembers how every WCW guy that went there was purposely booked poorly. He's made enough money over his career that he doesn't have to work a single day for the rest of his life and can enjoy the millions and millions of dollars he has.

I'd love to see a Taker/Sting match. Even with their age and injuries they have now, the most important thing about those two is they know who to tell a story and work the crowd. Their match would be very similar to Hogan/Rock from WM 18 in that it may not be a mat classic or extremely athletic display, but they'd be pulling the strings on the crowd and give it that larger than life moment type feel.

Here's an interesting tidbit. Sting is the only wrestler in the history to have been selected/awarded by Pro Wrestling Illustrated Magazine as the "Most Popular Wrestler of the Year" 4 different times. He won it in 1991, 1992, 1994, and 1997.

 

[chapin]

Dave Scherer, owner of www.PWInsider.com really went off on a rant on WWE and TNA for their recent Smackdown and Impact tapings on his hotline today.

and what was the shocking moment about TNA Impact's tapings?

 

[Metallo]

Sting is never going to go to WWE. He has always had trust issues with how he'd be used. He's always had interest at points but he remembers how every WCW guy that went there was purposely booked poorly. He's made enough money over his career that he doesn't have to work a single day for the rest of his life and can enjoy the millions and millions of dollars he has.

I'd love to see a Taker/Sting match. Even with their age and injuries they have now, the most important thing about those two is they know who to tell a story and work the crowd. Their match would be very similar to Hogan/Rock from WM 18 in that it may not be a mat classic or extremely athletic display, but they'd be pulling the strings on the crowd and give it that larger than life moment type feel.

Here's an interesting tidbit. Sting is the only wrestler in the history to have been selected/awarded by Pro Wrestling Illustrated Magazine as the "Most Popular Wrestler of the Year" 4 different times. He won it in 1991, 1992, 1994, and 1997.

For a long time I would have said Sting stood a far better chance of being used right compared to any other WWE star but NOW after constant snubs on WCW related dvds in the past and Vinces seeming lack of incompetence and arrogance Sting being well used in WWE was a total crapshoot.

What TNA does is stupid incompetent and moronic but WWE just intentionally gave a lot of long time fans the middle finger and the big FU. For people in the WWE that aren't cut off from their audience they had to know people were rooting for Christian as champion.

Even guys like Benoit and Eddie got reigns that were meaningful despite not being Vince's ideal or even fully WWE created stars. But it seems like WWE isn't willing to take those kind of chances to create special moments anymore.

Christian was one of the last attitude era stars standing from WWE's most successful period. He's got a long time fanbase. The guy could have held the bet for two weeks. Worst of all they didn't even build up to his losing it.

They thought so little of him they had Christian drop the strap on tv 2 days after he won it. Even Rey got better than that in 2006 and his run was terrible.

Sadly a lot of people won't care long term because WWE knows they can do stuff like this and people will still watch out of habit.

 

[Dr. Evil]

and what was the shocking moment about TNA Impact's tapings?

Spoiler

Chyna

 

[Nightmare]

Spoiler

Chyna

 

[chapin]

Spoiler

Chyna

Now I have more reason not to watch TNA.

 

[Kaleb]

Lol I bet Christian wishes he could take back that hug he gave to Vince after he won the title.

 

[Nemi]

For a long time I would have said Sting stood a far better chance of being used right compared to any other WWE star but NOW after constant snubs on WCW related dvds in the past and Vinces seeming lack of incompetence and arrogance Sting being well used in WWE was a total crapshoot.

What TNA does is stupid incompetent and moronic but WWE just intentionally gave a lot of long time fans the middle finger and the big FU. For people in the WWE that aren't cut off from their audience they had to know people were rooting for Christian as champion.

Even guys like Benoit and Eddie got reigns that were meaningful despite not being Vince's ideal or even fully WWE created stars. But it seems like WWE isn't willing to take those kind of chances to create special moments anymore.

Christian was one of the last attitude era stars standing from WWE's most successful period. He's got a long time fanbase. The guy could have held the bet for two weeks. Worst of all they didn't even build up to his losing it.

They thought so little of him they had Christian drop the strap on tv 2 days after he won it. Even Rey got better than that in 2006 and his run was terrible.

Sadly a lot of people won't care long term because WWE knows they can do stuff like this and people will still watch out of habit.

I think this might be Vince's ego getting out of control. Christian is someone that got over in spite of what Vince wanted. In the past he might have been willing to just run with it anyway but I think he's gotten to the point where he does what he wants and is willing to punish anyone that goes over without his approval.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I know I'm alone here but I can not get into UFC... I just can't. I'm also probably alone in thinking that it's a bit scripted...

I know, now everyone think's I'm crazy... but still..

lol, what? I'm def in the category of older people moving away from wrestling and towards MMA. Vince is making it a very easy transition every week.

 

[E-Man]

Lol I bet Christian wishes he could take back that hug he gave to Vince after he won the title.

That's probably why [BLACKOUT]he lost the title in the first place.[/BLACKOUT]

Vince is the reverse Chucky. He doesn't like to be hugged.

 

[Wylie Times]

The thing that pisses me off most about this is that Christian has been one of WWE's most consistent guys since he's come back. He's was having some great matches during his ECW run, he had better matches with Del Rio than anyone else has to date, and apparently this Smackdown match is the best one Orton has had in a good long while.

You'd think hard work and consistency would be rewarded. Christian is over with fans, can deliver great promos, and can put on great matches. He deserved better than that.

I do feel bad that some fans are pissed with Orton about this though. I doubt it was his idea and even if it was Vince's dumb ass was the one who signed off on it.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Are there people mad at Orton? He kinda just has to do what the higher ups tell him.

 

[TX85]

People blame bunch of people&things in WWE for stuff like this decision!,Vince/Triple H/Orton/Creative/and even the Smackdown show itself with many saying they won't even watch that episode(even though I keep reading how awesome the episode was except the ending)

 

[Kaleb]

Are there people mad at Orton? He kinda just has to do what the higher ups tell him.

Not at all,I believe Orton has some influences,but not to a point where he demands the title.I think this is more of Vince wanting his two top faces on each brand holding the title.

 

[Nemi]

Blaming Orton or Smackdown is going a bit too far but Vince and creative are the ones who make these decisions and they weren't forced to make this one. If EVERY person that was upset by Christian losing the title stopped watching Smackdown for the next few weeks it might have an impact on the ratings and when that happens they have to do something.

That's one of the big problems we have now. No matter how much we hate the things they do we still watch so why would they bother doing anything less than what they want? Whenever they need a ratings boost they just get a celeb or a retired wrestler and call it a day.


http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/exclusive-why-wwe-booked-major-angle-on-sd-spoiler-129391


As many of you may now know, the top story on the internet today is the fact that Randy Orton defeated Christian at the Smackdown taping last night to become the new World Heavyweight Champion.
After speaking to several key WWE insiders, WrestleZone can now provide details behind why WWE decided to book this major title change just days after Christian won the title at Extreme Rules.
To begin with, as we exclusively reported several days ago, Randy Orton is set to become the focal point of the Smackdown brand, and the entire Friday night show will be centered around him from both a marketing and creative standpoint. Orton's position on Smackdown can be compared to John Cena's position on Raw, as WWE looks at both talents as the creative centers of their respective brands.
Additionally, we were told that Christian's title win at Extreme Rules was done not so much as a "well deserved win for Christian," but much more so that a big moment could be made for Edge at the PPV. "Vince [McMahon] could smell, touch and taste a moment between Edge and Christian celebrating on PPV, and that's the major reason why Christian was awarded the title." This dispels any conspiracy theories that Christian was awarded the title to keep it on Smackdown, as we were told it would have been very easy for WWE to throw a third party into the Extreme Rules match which would have kept the title off Christian and still on Smackdown.

 

[Superark]

Credit to www.PWInsider.com

The Christian World title run was never intended to be anything long-term. He was never intended to see if he could draw as champion, rather it was something they forced themselves into. Del Rio was suppose to be champion for awhile before losing the title and then getting drafted to RAW later in the year. With the draft being moved up way early than expected, they were locked into Rio not being the champ and they wanted it to be a feel good moment and more of a sign as a lifetime achievment award for Christian. Vince does not think Christian is someone he can build a brand around.

There is already a lot of heat on Kong/Kharma. Many of the divas are not wanting to work with her out of fear of getting hurt, as Kong recently hurt Alicia Fox in the ring. Folks are wondering how she's going to deal with the politics in WWE, especially since she was known to have outburst backstage frequently in TNA.

The Chyna deal is nothing more than a short term deal for now. She is not signed long term. Her signing is meant to create a freak attraction against the Jarretts, with the idea they'll play off her with great reactions. She's only scheduled through Sacrifice, and possibly Slammiversary.

The Tommy Dreamer turn was a last minute decision. This was a Bischoff idea, nothing Russo pitched. Many think this is a political move by Bischoff and Hogan and a way to deemphasize him politically backstage by giving him a bigger role. Dreamer has been in Dixie's ear in he past and has been in her good graces politically before and as someone who doesn't agree with Hogan and Bischoff. There is also a belief that since his deal will be up soon, they plan to bury him on the way out of the company, just as they did to Rhino.

 

[Benstamania]

I still don't think this is Vince slapping Christian, or his fans in the face. A couple of things could happen here.

1.) Like I said before, Orton turns heel. He comes out (next week) and goes on about how Christian was an undeserving champion and yet, everyone cheered him.. and for what? Orton could say he proved how undeserving Christian was last week when he beat him no problem in the middle of the ring. He could call the people sheep for cheering Christian who only ever got anywhere by "riding Edge's coat tails."

Fans could easily turn on him here... After all, they don't like being called names.

2.) Christian could turn heel. He could come out and blame the fans, after all Teddy Long gave them an option on who would face Christian last week. He could say that he worked his entire life to capture the world title and in an instant it was gone... and it was the fault of "the fans" that he lost it. He could say no matter what he did or how hard he tried the fans never fully got behind him.

I read before Edge's sudden retirement that the WWE had plans to have Christian feud with Edge (Christian being the heel) anyway.. so I don't think this is a de-push or Vince stroking his ego. I think next week we'll that Christian is still in the WHC picture.

lol, what? I'm def in the category of older people moving away from wrestling and towards MMA. Vince is making it a very easy transition every week.

I just like all of the drama and speculation that Pro Wrestling brings. I don't get that with UFC... I'm not trashing it, if anyone else likes it, fine... but it's not for me.

I could never flat out "give up" on the WWE, I've been a fan for far to long and again, UFC just doesn't appeal to me at all.

 

[Kaleb]

Wouldn't suprise me if they decide to have Orton vs Cena at Summerslam,and unify the title and put it on Cena's waist.This would make the build up to Rock vs Cena much bigger (that's if He is still champ by then)

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

Credit to www.PWInsider.com

The Christian World title run was never intended to be anything long-term. He was never intended to see if he could draw as champion, rather it was something they forced themselves into. Del Rio was suppose to be champion for awhile before losing the title and then getting drafted to RAW later in the year. With the draft being moved up way early than expected, they were locked into Rio not being the champ and they wanted it to be a feel good moment and more of a sign as a lifetime achievment award for Christian. Vince does not think Christian is someone he can build a brand around.
[/I]

stupid writing team is stupid

 

[TX85]

Credit to www.PWInsider.com

The Christian World title run was never intended to be anything long-term. He was never intended to see if he could draw as champion, rather it was something they forced themselves into. Del Rio was suppose to be champion for awhile before losing the title and then getting drafted to RAW later in the year. With the draft being moved up way early than expected, they were locked into Rio not being the champ and they wanted it to be a feel good moment and more of a sign as a lifetime achievment award for Christian. Vince does not think Christian is someone he can build a brand around.

Well at least Vince didn't decide to screw Christian at the last minute,Christian knew this and he still got damn emotional and all though

Cool to know ADR was to be champ and his reign only got delayed cause of The Draft getting done early cause of Edge's retirement!!,I wonder IF there's hope he'll actually beat Cena and then lose it back to him before mania or something!?

 

[Nemi]

I still don't think this is Vince slapping Christian, or his fans in the face. A couple of things could happen here.

1.) Like I said before, Orton turns heel. He comes out (next week) and goes on about how Christian was an undeserving champion and yet, everyone cheered him.. and for what? Orton could say he proved how undeserving Christian was last week when he beat him no problem in the middle of the ring. He could call the people sheep for cheering Christian who only ever got anywhere by "riding Edge's coat tails."

Fans could easily turn on him here... After all, they don't like being called names.

2.) Christian could turn heel. He could come out and blame the fans, after all Teddy Long gave them an option on who would face Christian last week. He could say that he worked his entire life to capture the world title and in an instant it was gone... and it was the fault of "the fans" that he lost it. He could say no matter what he did or how hard he tried the fans never fully got behind him.

I read before Edge's sudden retirement that the WWE had plans to have Christian feud with Edge (Christian being the heel) anyway.. so I don't think this is a de-push or Vince stroking his ego. I think next week we'll that Christian is still in the WHC picture.



I just like all of the drama and speculation that Pro Wrestling brings. I don't get that with UFC... I'm not trashing it, if anyone else likes it, fine... but it's not for me.

I could never flat out "give up" on the WWE, I've been a fan for far to long and again, UFC just doesn't appeal to me at all.

That could be done just as well without taking the title off Christian. He has his first defense against someone and wins his match, afterwords Orton comes out and attacks him. The next week on Smackdown he can say it's cause Christian is an undeserving champion and is riding Edge's coattails.

 

[Benstamania]

Credit to www.PWInsider.com

The Christian World title run was never intended to be anything long-term. He was never intended to see if he could draw as champion, rather it was something they forced themselves into. Del Rio was suppose to be champion for awhile before losing the title and then getting drafted to RAW later in the year. With the draft being moved up way early than expected, they were locked into Rio not being the champ and they wanted it to be a feel good moment and more of a sign as a lifetime achievment award for Christian. Vince does not think Christian is someone he can build a brand around.

There is already a lot of heat on Kong/Kharma. Many of the divas are not wanting to work with her out of fear of getting hurt, as Kong recently hurt Alicia Fox in the ring. Folks are wondering how she's going to deal with the politics in WWE, especially since she was known to have outburst backstage frequently in TNA.

The Chyna deal is nothing more than a short term deal for now. She is not signed long term. Her signing is meant to create a freak attraction against the Jarretts, with the idea they'll play off her with great reactions. She's only scheduled through Sacrifice, and possibly Slammiversary.

The Tommy Dreamer turn was a last minute decision. This was a Bischoff idea, nothing Russo pitched. Many think this is a political move by Bischoff and Hogan and a way to deemphasize him politically backstage by giving him a bigger role. Dreamer has been in Dixie's ear in he past and has been in her good graces politically before and as someone who doesn't agree with Hogan and Bischoff. There is also a belief that since his deal will be up soon, they plan to bury him on the way out of the company, just as they did to Rhino.

That whole Kong/Kharma thing ticks me off. Alicia Fox isn't a great talent by any means. McCool took a bump, Maryse took a bump... Fox takes it and messes it up.. no way that should be pinned on Kharma/Kong. It will be though, because she's not your standard "diva."

 

[Benstamania]

That could be done just as well without taking the title off Christian. He has his first defense against someone and wins his match, afterwords Orton comes out and attacks him. The next week on Smackdown he can say it's cause Christian is an undeserving champion and is riding Edge's coattails.

I posted that before reading the WrestleZone/PWI write ups.

*sigh* I can't WAIT to see Orton vs Sheamus for the next few months. Maybe they'll throw in Mark Henry to add to the excitement!

 

[chapin]

I wonder how Christian feels right now. He knew about all this?

 

[Superark]

That whole Kong/Kharma thing ticks me off. Alicia Fox isn't a great talent by any means. McCool took a bump, Maryse took a bump... Fox takes it and messes it up.. no way that should be pinned on Kharma/Kong. It will be though, because she's not your standard "diva."

This is not the first time Kong has worked rough though. Granted the WWE divas are more political and *****y than the Knockouts in TNA, but Kong has been known to work a stiff style her whole career. She's similar to Vader or Goldberg in that aspect. Yes she's a great character and her ring work is fun to watch, but she does hurt people in the ring. Heat has followed Kong for a very long time