Wrestling: The Action Soap Opera Thread - Part 14

[Nemi]

From Jericho's twitter.



Yes Chris, I DO think that... but losing the title after two days of being champion still makes the belt look like a joke.

Well his point is that WWE should be given the benefit of the doubt. But that's something that should be earned. They don't get to pull all the crap they do and then expect us to assume the best when it looks like they are pulling crap...again.

 

[chapin]

I wonder how will be the reaction when Christian comes out to the ring next time.. huge ovation or average "face" cheers? And what about Orton?

 

[chapin]

Now I did consider this before I was leaving work, but I just don't believe that Vince will put the strap back on Christian.

That being said, this could be a fantastic way of *really* getting Christian over, I mean main event over. Also, if he does somehow get back the title, he'll have earned it off his own back, and not just because Edge retired and Del Rio had to move brands.

I agree. This could turn out to be a great feud and cool matches between Christian and Orton.

 

[Kaleb]

Let's just hope that Christian actully gets a pinfall on Orton.

 

[Nemi]

If it does turn out to be a great fued that ends with Christian either being champion or solified as a part of the main event (or both t then I'll happily eat crow.

Also there's a pretty interesting article on Cracked, 5 reasons why wrestlers are the best actors in the world. Mostly cause they have to stay in character when things go very very wrong.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-pro-wrestlers-are-best-actors-in-world/

 

[bullets]

If it does turn out to be a great feud that ends with Christian either being champion or solidified as a part of the main event (or both t then I'll happily eat crow.

Also there's a pretty interesting article on Cracked, 5 reasons why wrestlers are the best actors in the world. Mostly cause they have to stay in character when things go very very wrong.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-pro-wrestlers-are-best-actors-in-world/

I hope it is part of a storyline and Christian does attain the belt again but the way it was done has me doubtful. However Orton and Jericho's comments and the fact this is reaching high level management gives me optimism though . I can't wait for Saturday to give my live reaction and see how other people react.


Also.. love that website , good stuff. Wrestlers are very underrated

 

[Metallo]

WWE could very well be doing a storyline...but this could just as easily end up with Christian not getting the belt back or the storyline being rushed by quickly.

Or The fan reaction could make WWE consider going further than they originally planed and making this a storyline.

or Vince could just get angry that the fans see Christian as a guy with a lot of potential while he doesn't.

The reason people are so angry is that there is a precedent for WWE not using Christian as well as he could be used despite him getting good fan reactions and despite his talent. People might just see this as yet another time WWE doesn't use him well enough.

And the fact is, even though Jericho won't admit it, WWE HAS screwed up before because of Vince's biases or incompetence. WWE isn't infallible.

Even if this turns out well for Christian that may not be what WWE had intended. This twitter/online backlash may have changed all that so we may never know what WWE's original plans were for all this.

And before people say "the IWC is small" Keep in mind that this isn't 1995 and more and more wrestling fans are online voicing their opinion every day. Granted online fans are not the majority because the majority can't be bothered to talk about this stuff online but ANYBODY can get online and do that now so maybe the "IWC" represents more of the fanbase than it used to.

If online fans represent such a TINY minority why is WWE so worried about those people watching their shows on streaming sites? When I look at the number of viewers on those streaming videos its a quite a few people. Like I said the average young viewer is more tech savvy and more into online social networking than ever.

 

[Kaleb]

WWE could very well be doing a storyline...but this could just as easily end up with Christian not getting the belt back or the storyline being rushed by quickly.

Or The fan reaction could make WWE consider going further than they originally planed and making this a storyline.

or Vince could just get angry that the fans see Christian as a guy with a lot of potential while he doesn't.

The reason people are so angry is that there is a precedent for WWE not using Christian as well as he could be used despite him getting good fan reactions and despite his talent. People might just see this as yet another time WWE doesn't use him well enough.

And the fact is, even though Jericho won't admit it, WWE HAS screwed up before because of Vince's biases or incompetence. WWE isn't infallible.

Even if this turns out well for Christian that may not be what WWE had intended. This twitter/online backlash may have changed all that so we may never know what WWE's original plans were for all this.

And before people say "the IWC is small" Keep in mind that this isn't 1995 and more and more wrestling fans are online voicing their opinion every day. Granted online fans are not the majority because the majority can't be bothered to talk about this stuff online but ANYBODY can get online and do that now so maybe the "IWC" represents more of the fanbase than it used to.

If online fans represent such a TINY minority why is WWE so worried about those people watching their shows on streaming sites? When I look at the number of viewers on those streaming videos its a quite a few people. Like I said the average young viewer is more tech savvy and more into online social networking than ever.

I'm going with this.(Great post btw)

 

[venom892]

Great article.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well looks like I'll be going to Smackdown next week. Kind of last minute, but exciting. I've never been to a Smackdown event before.

 

[venom892]

I went to a SM house show once is was very fun.Even got to meet Mysterio.

 

[Kaleb]

Well looks like I'll be going to Smackdown next week. Kind of last minute, but exciting. I've never been to a Smackdown event before.

Sweet man,hopefuly its a good show (and hopefully a Christian vs Orton rematch)

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Uh..he's not the only one. I don't like whats going on either. A lot of people apparently don't like whats been going on. Why should people watch a show they don't like? If he wants to tune out isn't that his very right as a fan? Nobody can force him to watch. If WWE WANTS people to watch their show they should offer a product people want.

The damn problem with WWE is that people watch now out of habit and Vince takes the audience watching for granted. When the fans get pissed off he gets mad at them and not at the guy he sees in the mirror.

If people don't like what they see they should vote with the ratings. Thats the only way to change it. If people still watch when WWE offers sh** WWE will just try to feed us more sh** like this because they know we'll take it.

Don't you get mad at me for "assuming" why you watch wrestling?

So now why do you turn around and assume why everyone else is watching? That they are just "watching out of habit"?

What if they actually *like* it? What if they *don't* think it's ****?

I can sit here and complain about Cena title runs all I want, because he beat The Miz who is my current favorite, but the fact remains I love Raw as a whole, beyond just Miz.

I may complain about Smackdown because I don't feel there's as much effort put into Smackdown as there is into Raw, but I still enjoy the show on the whole. I've probably invested more time and effort into WWE the past year or so than I ever have in any other time. Including when WWE was at it's best in my opinion in late '99 - 2000 - early '01. On Tuesday I'll be going to my 3rd WWE show in the last year.

I'm not watching out of some kind of habit, I'm watching because I genuinely like it. I don't even know wtf "watching out of habit" even means - if someone doesn't like something they will tune out.

So why now are you all of a sudden assuming why people watch WWE when you'll be the first to jump all over me for "assuming" why you watch WWE.

Just because the IWC is all over certain wrestlers doesn't mean the rest of the audience has the same response towards them. Yes, Christian is largely over, and yes I agree their direction with his title reign is not the correct way of handling his reign, but I think it's safe the say the general audience probably doesn't take to Christian the way the IWC does. Like I said, the PTB are correct in saying that he can't carry a brand. I don't see that as a valid excuse to treat him the way they did in this ordeal, but Christian isn't a big time main event kind of guy.

 

[Kaleb]

This whole outcry/backlash whatever you want to call it is pretty amusing,I honestly don't remember when last something like this had fans all freaking out.

 

[Metallo]

Don't you get mad at me for "assuming" why you watch wrestling?

So now why do you turn around and assume why everyone else is watching? That they are just "watching out of habit"?

What if they actually *like* it? What if they *don't* think it's ****?

I can sit here and complain about Cena title runs all I want, because he beat The Miz who is my current favorite, but the fact remains I love Raw as a whole, beyond just Miz.

I may complain about Smackdown because I don't feel there's as much effort put into Smackdown as there is into Raw, but I still enjoy the show on the whole. I've probably invested more time and effort into WWE the past year or so than I ever have in any other time. Including when WWE was at it's best in my opinion in late '99 - 2000 - early '01. On Tuesday I'll be going to my 3rd WWE show in the last year.

I'm not watching out of some kind of habit, I'm watching because I genuinely like it. I don't even know wtf "watching out of habit" even means - if someone doesn't like something they will tune out.

So why now are you all of a sudden assuming why people watch WWE when you'll be the first to jump all over me for "assuming" why you watch WWE.

Just because the IWC is all over certain wrestlers doesn't mean the rest of the audience has the same response towards them. Yes, Christian is largely over, and yes I agree their direction with his title reign is not the correct way of handling his reign, but I think it's safe the say the general audience probably doesn't take to Christian the way the IWC does. Like I said, the PTB are correct in saying that he can't carry a brand. I don't see that as a valid excuse to treat him the way they did in this ordeal, but Christian isn't a big time main event kind of guy.

I didn't say EVERYBODY watches out of habit. I didn't say YOU watch out of habit. I said PEOPLE watch out of habit. That could be ten people or it could be ten thousand people.

Point out where I said anything specific and said YOU or EVERYBODY. Otherwise *****e out that sand because I imagine that can't be good for you.

And yeah some people DO watch out of habit. Even some people here have admitted that. How am I assuming anything when people have admitted they do it? Some people have said wrestling sucks to them lately but they watch it just to check out whats going on and maybe hoping something good will catch their eye.

And how do YOU know how people beyond just the "IWC" feel about this Christian situation. Do you even know exactly how big the "IWC" is. What exactly defines the IWC? have you actually tracked down and counted EVERY person in the world thats gotten on a computer to talk about wrestling? Do you have ACTUAL backed up figures? Sounds like your assuming yourself.

Like I said if the IWC didn't matter and if they were such a minority why the f*** is WWE so worried about wrestling fans online watching their content illegally? Shouldn't the IWC just be a drop in the bucket? The IWC ain't the majority...but maybe JUST maybe the IWC isn't as small as you think and maybe the definition isn't as easy as it was in 1995. maybe the IWC isn't made up of that small stereotype of fans who made it up 15 years ago. The internet has grown a whole hell of a lot since that term was coined and a lot more fans have the ability talk about Wrestling online since being online is a common thing for EVERYONE these days.

When ten year old little Johnny Cenafan goes online to a WWE provided chat and talks about Cena to other people doesn't that TECHNICALLY make him part of the IWC? He's on the internet...talking about wrestling...with other people. Putting this specific label on what the IWC is and how small it is is so f***in outdated in this day in age. WRESTERS are talking about wrestling online. Doesn't that make THEM part of the IWC too? Hulk Hogans on twitter for f***s sake! So is The Rock! Even WWE uses things like Twitter and facebook these days to promot and have fans interact. Wrestling fans...interacting...in an online community! *shock*

The IWC isn't as small as WWE would like you to believe. It ain't that big but their own worry about certain things and people finding out spoilers online shows that it isn't AS small ether.

When you go to an arena where WWE is holding a show and you have a crowd of 20000 people where a SIZABLE portion knows whats going to happen how the hell do you think they learned about it? Probably on the internet!

Do you think The magical wrestling fairy told all those people that Kong signed with WWE when people were chanting her name at the Royal Rumble?

 

[Kaleb]

IWC = The Borg

 

[spidey-dude]

Well looks like I'll be going to Smackdown next week. Kind of last minute, but exciting. I've never been to a Smackdown event before.

enjoy it nell - i went to a smackdown wrestlemania revenge show when they came to the uk last year and had ring side seats - it was a blast - JTG in character turned to me and told me to shut the hell up and we shook hands with brett and edge

 

[Metallo]

IWC = The Borg

I can't agree with that. If we were the Borg we'd agree on everything and Vince would (like to) be our queen.

I'm sure Vinnie Mac WISHES wrestling fans were like the Borg. I believe thats how he sees the WWE audience sometimes.

 

[Wheels]

I get what watching out habit means. I've been watching wrestling since I was 4, I eat, sleep, and breath wrestling. I've been there through good times and bad, but wrestling might be at it's lowest point creatively. I have such a passion for the business that I can't just give up on it.

 

[Metallo]

Also if we were the Borg I'd like to assimilate these ladies.

 

[Specter313]

I don't know if anyone here watches Attack of the Show, but Jericho is on there now playing Thor, and he's hilarious. Basically, Kevin Pereira picked up Mjolnir, and now he's all depressed, drunk dialing Odin for money, and trying to get back into college to be a journalist. From his twitter:

 

[Calavera]

this thing with christian losing the title so fast...its an angle right?

 

[Metallo]

I don't know if anyone here watches Attack of the Show, but Jericho is on there now playing Thor, and he's hilarious. Basically, Kevin Pereira picked up Mjolnir, and now he's all depressed, drunk dialing Odin for money, and trying to get back into college to be a journalist. From his twitter:

Thats hilarious. I'll have to try and watch that one day. Funny since I was talking wrestling and Thor with somebody the other day. We always thought HHH reminded us of Thor. He is the McMahonSon (in Law) who carries a big hammer and reminds us of Ultimate Thor. Apparently Kevin Nash is playing (a more mythological inspired) Odin in a cheesy SyFy B movie.

I think bad movie night is going to have a new candidate really soon

this thing with christian losing the title so fast...its an angle right?

Not really sure. It could be.

 

[Kaleb]

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Not really sure. It could be.

If it is,they could suddenly turn Orton Heel and go with the whole "christian was an undeserving champ" angle.This could mean christian vs Orton at summerslam,Jericho could make his return and cost orton the title(revenge for punting him)which would set up a Jericho vs Orton vs Christian fued towards the end of the year.

 

[Calavera]

thing is, wwe will also just push orton into a new feud and forget that christian was ever champion